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Dilbert2001
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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Appeal to "authority"? WHO is the "authority"?
You doubted the veracity of the data because of the "lack of authority." An ad hominem appeal to a lack of authority would be a more appropriate term for your fallacious argument. But you don't seem like a native english speaker, let alone latin, so I didn't want to overwhelm you.

Dilbert2001 said:
And I don't care who want to define or redefine his/her/its own "PR". The fact remains there are more good PR money going to Jagex years over years.


See? You're making unsubstantiated claims again. We don't have the data for 2017 yet, so your claim that there's "more good PR money" is, once again, blind speculation. Meanwhile, we DO have data that players are opting to play OSRS over RS3. One of the major benefits of OSRS is less emphasis on micotransactions. They do have bonds, but they don't have weekly Treasure Hunter promotions blotting out the sun.


Your "data" showed the "bad PR" population drop started from 2013 through 2016 but yet already revealed REAL WORLD DATA showed good PR revenue and profits rose all through those years.

It is easy to see despite of your "bad PR" claim, it did not affect the good PR people to continue to give Jagex more and more businesses in all those years. :)

07-Feb-2018 03:18:47 - Last edited on 07-Feb-2018 03:24:42 by Dilbert2001

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
Your "data" showed the "bad PR" population drop started from 2013 through 2016 but yet already revealed REAL WORLD DATA showed good PR revenue and profits rise all through those years.

It is easy to see despite of your "bad PR" claim, it did not affect the good PR people to continue to give Jagex more and more businesses in all those years. :)


First off, we're discussing the future of the game, not the past.
Secondly, the original PR claim was in reference to gaming as a whole and not Jagex in particular.

Anyway, we don't have the data for 2017's revenue yet, so we can't say for certain. It wouldn't surprise me if 2017 had higher MTX profits than 2016. The pushback against MTX didn't start until after Menaphos.

It's not MTX alone that has culminated ill will against Treasure Hunter - it's the drought of content between June 2017 that has continued even up until today. In order for Treasure Hunter to be considered damaging to the game, we'd have to see membership go up and MTX profits go down for the 2017 report. (Membership going up would be as a consequence of people playing OSRS instead of the MTX ridden RS3.)
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07-Feb-2018 03:30:40

Dilbert2001
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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Your "data" showed the "bad PR" population drop started from 2013 through 2016 but yet already revealed REAL WORLD DATA showed good PR revenue and profits rise all through those years.

It is easy to see despite of your "bad PR" claim, it did not affect the good PR people to continue to give Jagex more and more businesses in all those years. :)


First off, we're discussing the future of the game, not the past.
Secondly, the original PR claim was in reference to gaming as a whole and not Jagex in particular.

Anyway, we don't have the data for 2017's revenue yet, so we can't say for certain. It wouldn't surprise me if 2017 had higher MTX profits than 2016. The pushback against MTX didn't start until after Menaphos.

It's not MTX alone that has culminated ill will against Treasure Hunter - it's the drought of content between June 2017 that has continued even up until today. In order for Treasure Hunter to be considered damaging to the game, we'd have to see membership go up and MTX profits go down for the 2017 report. (Membership going up would be as a consequence of people playing OSRS instead of the MTX ridden RS3.)


Past, now or future, there is no indication whatsoever the kind of "bad PR" you mentioned affected the good PR business success that Jagex enjoyed. If you really have to find a correlation, it only shows the worse PR (again, by your definition) the more positive it affects Jagex's good PR business success.

07-Feb-2018 03:37:53

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Dilbert2001 said:
Past, now or future, there is no indication whatsoever the kind of "bad PR" you mentioned affected the good PR business success that Jagex enjoyed. If you really have to find a correlation, it only shows the worse PR (again, by your definition) the more positive it affects Jagex's good PR business success.


MTX promotions had gotten so bad and the outrage was so much that even Jagex admitted it was becoming an issue. If all you care about is Jagex's bottom line, feel free to donate all the money you have to them. The issue is that none of that money is coming back into the game. Jagex has RECORD BREAKING PROFITS and yet the content is subpar, consistently.

RS3 had the lowest average players in its history last november. Apparently RS3 dying and OSRS scraping up the majority of the playerbase is good PR according to you.

The point is, even if Treasure Hunter was removed, Jagex would STILL be making enough money to support RS3, the quality of RS3 would increase and would have a healthier playerbase that would be more able to sustain growth. The reason they'd still have enough money is because there are other forms of MTX, like bonds that can be bought on EITHER game.

Right now the playerbase is strangled underneath content developed solely for temporary MTX promotions, while lasting content has been at an all time low.
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07-Feb-2018 03:47:23

Dilbert2001
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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Past, now or future, there is no indication whatsoever the kind of "bad PR" you mentioned affected the good PR business success that Jagex enjoyed. If you really have to find a correlation, it only shows the worse PR (again, by your definition) the more positive it affects Jagex's good PR business success.


MTX promotions had gotten so bad and the outrage was so much that even Jagex admitted it was becoming an issue. If all you care about is Jagex's bottom line, feel free to donate all the money you have to them. The issue is that none of that money is coming back into the game. Jagex has RECORD BREAKING PROFITS and yet the content is subpar, consistently.

RS3 had the lowest average players in its history last november. Apparently RS3 dying and OSRS scraping up the majority of the playerbase is good PR according to you.

The point is, even if Treasure Hunter was removed, Jagex would STILL be making enough money to support RS3, the quality of RS3 would increase and would have a healthier playerbase that would be more able to sustain growth. The reason they'd still have enough money is because there are other forms of MTX, like bonds that can be bought on EITHER game.

Right now the playerbase is strangled underneath content developed solely for temporary MTX promotions, while lasting content has been at an all time low.


You need to realize regardless how much you hate MTX and how "bad" (you think) it affects "PR", all businesses strive for the good PR that they can show on their balance sheets to their investors and employees.

The cat that catches the mice is a good cat. The better the balance sheet, the better PR the company is with Wall Street, and the better position they are in Main Street and the eyes of their own employees.

07-Feb-2018 04:00:45

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
You need to realize regardless how much you hate MTX and how "bad" (you think) it affects "PR", all businesses strive for the good PR that they can show on their balance sheets to their investors and employees.

The cat that catches the mice is a good cat. The better the balance sheet, the better PR the company is with Wall Street, and the better position they are in Main Street and the eyes of their own employees.


Do you have a point to all this? Because you're replying to me without even following anything discussed. I don't think you know what PR is, either, given the way you're using it. You're also not using any data to back up your opinions, so I have no clue what you're even on about.
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07-Feb-2018 04:06:35

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
You need to realize regardless how much you hate MTX and how "bad" (you think) it affects "PR", all businesses strive for the good PR that they can show on their balance sheets to their investors and employees.

The cat that catches the mice is a good cat. The better the balance sheet, the better PR the company is with Wall Street, and the better position they are in Main Street and the eyes of their own employees.


Do you have a point to all this? Because you're replying to me without even following anything discussed. I don't think you know what PR is, either, given the way you're using it. You're also not using any data to back up your opinions, so I have no clue what you're even on about.


I have used YOUR DATA to show that your claim has no effect or if you really insists actually positively affected their relationship with the people who gave them business from 2013-2016 already.

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