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Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001 said:
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Miu said:
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TH is MTX. SGS is also MTX. Jagex and its employees live on MTX.
No, they live off membership subscriptions. As already proven in this thread, most of Jagex's revenue is from membership, not MTX. You can remove the MTX from the game and Jagex will still be going strong. You can't remove the game from the MTX and keep earning revenue, can you? ;)




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What I think should be done as stated in the previous 2 paragraphs is that the, TH and MTX should be separated from each other.


REAL WORLD FINANCIAL REPORTS show Jagex's subscription is rising, although not as fast as MTX.
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OS or RS3 won't matter to Jagex at all. It is all the same money to Jagex. No matter how you guess it, it doesn't change the fact that the current monetization strategy with MTX is working for Jagex, and MTX is becoming a more prominent factor going forward according to analysts.

Don't forget there are more than 30 players outside the forums who are happy to give Jagex tens of millions of $$$ in MTX revenue every year. Their opinions, and more importantly wallets, speak volume. :)[/quote]

20-Mar-2018 23:55:09

Miu

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Yes, but MTX is not just TH. We're not asking for a removal of all MTX, just treasure hunter. The majority of Jagex's revenue is from membership. The majority of MTX is from members.

TH is not the sole revenue in terms of MTX, it is a subset of it. A subset of a minority of Jagex's revenue being removed will not break them.

Removing one part of MTX in order to facilitate more membership will generate more revenue than trying to milk the game by forcing TH forever. Last double xp weekend, for the first time ever, OSRS averaged more players in spite of RS3 having double xp. Declining members means less MTX revenue as you can't get MTX revenue from people that don't play.

Less MTX, more players, more revenue, more membership, healthier game.
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21-Mar-2018 02:11:21

Dilbert2001
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What real world evidence shows Jagex will make more money from subscription if they remove TH? We only see the responses of the 30 users in the forums and some of them like TH too.

30 x $8 x 12 < $3000 a year.

Yes, everybody can suggest but good luck if you think Jagex really care about that $3000 a year that (1) isn't guranteed, (2) they will pay on time and (3) they won't charge back and remove TH that gives them a fortune? :D:D:D

Declining members? Big fat stupid joke as I have mentioned REAL WORLD FINANCIAL REPORTS showed members have been rising and are expected to rise this year and at least next. Oh should Jagex be shaking in their Ranger Boots if all these 30 players in the forums quit. :D:D:D

21-Mar-2018 02:34:00

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Dilbert2001 said:
What real world evidence shows Jagex will make more money from subscription if they remove TH? We only see the responses of the 30 users in the forums and some of them like TH too.

30 x $8 x 12 < $3000 a year.

Yes, everybody can suggest but good luck if you think Jagex really care about that $3000 a year that (1) isn't guranteed, (2) they will pay on time and (3) they won't charge back and remove TH that gives them a fortune? :D:D:D

Declining members? Big fat stupid joke as I have mentioned REAL WORLD FINANCIAL REPORTS showed members have been rising and are expected to rise this year and at least next. Oh should Jagex be shaking in their Ranger Boots if all these 30 players in the forums quit. :D:D:D


This^.

Says theyd make more money, yet shows no proof.
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21-Mar-2018 02:36:23

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
What real world evidence shows Jagex will make more money from subscription if they remove TH? We only see the responses of the 30 users in the forums and some of them like TH too.

30 x $8 x 12 < $3000 a year.

Yes, everybody can suggest but good luck if you think Jagex really care about that $3000 a year that (1) isn't guranteed, (2) they will pay on time and (3) they won't charge back and remove TH that gives them a fortune? :D:D:D

Declining members? Big fat stupid joke as I have mentioned REAL WORLD FINANCIAL REPORTS showed members have been rising and are expected to rise this year and at least next. Oh should Jagex be shaking in their Ranger Boots if all these 30 players in the forums quit. :D:D:D


You've mentioned but you haven't offered proof or any links.

Dwindling players =/= dwindling members. People can pay for membership and not play the game (which is what premier membership encourages for some). If people are paying for membership but not playing, they're probably not engaging in MTX.

Seems like it would be a better idea to encourage premier membership and reduce other MTX, because MTX only works when a subset of the population is a "whale". Less players = less whales, which is obvious. You can reduce the amount of MTX but with more players you're more likely to hook someone that spends a ton, than you are to bleed your playerbase dry and hope those whales never die.
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21-Mar-2018 02:38:33

Dilbert2001
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I have mentioned and provided links in many threads about the Jagex official financial reports. If you haven't read it, here it is, with English translation and comments from some reddit users:

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/77uptr/according_to_shanghai_fukongs_financial/

And this is a report from financial analysts on Jagex's 2017-2019 fiscal years:

http://vip.stock.finance.sina.com.cn/q/go.php/vReport_Show/kind/search/rptid/3894458/index.phtml

Note that Jagex's net income in the coming year is expected to jump more than 8% from 297 mil RMB to 323 RMB, or USD 51.68 mil.

Now, can you please show us the REAL WORLD facts about declining members and losing profits? :D:D:D

21-Mar-2018 03:08:17 - Last edited on 21-Mar-2018 03:08:57 by Dilbert2001

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
I have mentioned and provided links in many threads about the Jagex official financial reports. If you haven't read it, here it is, with English translation and comments from some reddit users:

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/77uptr/according_to_shanghai_fukongs_financial/

And this is a report from financial analysts on Jagex's 2017-2019 fiscal years:

http://vip.stock.finance.sina.com.cn/q/go.php/vReport_Show/kind/search/rptid/3894458/index.phtml

Note that Jagex's net income in the coming year is expected to jump more than 8% from 297 mil RMB to 323 RMB, or USD 51.68 mil.

Now, can you please show us the REAL WORLD facts about declining members and losing profits? :D:D:D


Doesn't separate membership from MTX revenue so no clue what you're trying to say with this.

Secondly predictions aren't proof or evidence. Anyone can make predictions.

Thirdly I said dwindling playerbase of RS3, not dwindling membership. We all know membership is going up thanks to OSRS.

You do realize the whole POINT of proof is to back up what you say? Linking something unrelated and trying to use it as proof for statements that don't correlate makes no sense.
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21-Mar-2018 04:37:41 - Last edited on 21-Mar-2018 05:12:12 by Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
I have mentioned and provided links in many threads about the Jagex official financial reports. If you haven't read it, here it is, with English translation and comments from some reddit users:

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/77uptr/according_to_shanghai_fukongs_financial/

And this is a report from financial analysts on Jagex's 2017-2019 fiscal years:

http://vip.stock.finance.sina.com.cn/q/go.php/vReport_Show/kind/search/rptid/3894458/index.phtml

Note that Jagex's net income in the coming year is expected to jump more than 8% from 297 mil RMB to 323 RMB, or USD 51.68 mil.

Now, can you please show us the REAL WORLD facts about declining members and losing profits? :D:D:D


reddit is a blog site. Bring something like a Wall street journal or New york times economy section. Then that is proof.

Anyone can post BS on Reddit.
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