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Dilbert2001
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Doorknob747 said:
Blackwing said:
https://youtu.be/BQcsORIwkSo?t=7m3s

Satire. > )


TH earned, Dung XP from lamps does not come with Dung tokens included. So basically useless for F2P players who find dungeoneering rewards very useful.


Neither do members get any DG tokens with the DG xp lamps from TH.

DG token boxes are also a TH reward both members and free players can get.

Members and free players get equal treatment in that aspect. :D:D:D

27-Apr-2018 17:13:17

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
Doorknob747 said:
Blackwing said:
https://youtu.be/BQcsORIwkSo?t=7m3s

Satire. > )


TH earned, Dung XP from lamps does not come with Dung tokens included. So basically useless for F2P players who find dungeoneering rewards very useful.


Neither do members get any DG tokens with the DG xp lamps from TH.

DG token boxes are also a TH reward both members and free players can get.

Members and free players get equal treatment in that aspect. :D:D:D

Guys can we get back on track please? Whether members or free players get DG tokens or not isn't really relevant as to whether TH should be removed or not.
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30-Apr-2018 22:59:09 - Last edited on 01-May-2018 03:08:31 by Miu

Ilia Volyova

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The battlefront 2 fiasco put a spot light on them. Sooner or later politicans will limit gambling in games. I know people say it's not gambling but it is and it is addictive.

01-May-2018 05:56:03 - Last edited on 01-May-2018 05:57:08 by Ilia Volyova

Ashlin107
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Ilia Volyova said:
The battlefront 2 fiasco put a spot light on them. Sooner or later politicans will limit gambling in games. I know people say it's not gambling but it is and it is addictive.


Well Belgium and Sweden Netherlands have already started banning loot boxes. Plus Washington state has recently banned a casino simulator recently too. So the end is closer than some of us may realise.
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01-May-2018 12:25:35 - Last edited on 01-May-2018 16:53:46 by Ashlin107

Dilbert2001
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Ashlin107 said:
Ilia Volyova said:
The battlefront 2 fiasco put a spot light on them. Sooner or later politicans will limit gambling in games. I know people say it's not gambling but it is and it is addictive.


Well Belgium and Sweden have already started banning loot boxes. Plus Washington state has recently banned a casino simulator recently too. So the end is closer than some of us may realise.


False news is simply false. Sweden said nothing. Belgium only looked at and asked to talk to 3 games. No loot boxes have been banned anywhere whatsoever. Otherwise you won't see them running now. :D:D:D

Washington also did not ban loot boxes. Games of chance in an online casino with no other real game content is what they looked at, plus in Washington "thing of value" includes items/services that extend game time, which also means
SUBSCRIPTION
. That's why Big Fish Game's subscription plan also violated their law.

If any online game, RS included is considered a casino, it won't help them at all even if they remove TH since they will also have to remove subscription too. :D:D:D:D:D:D

01-May-2018 16:14:23 - Last edited on 01-May-2018 16:26:55 by Dilbert2001

Ashlin107
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My mistake it wasn't Sweden that was looking at Loot Boxes it was the Netherlands. My bad.

As for Belgium it's more than just asking to talk with these three games. They are actually willing to press for fines or even jail time for the heads of these companies don't get rid of them within some deadline. Also it only be three now but they'll turn to others once the get rid of the main players.

As for Washington and the Casino simulator. Well extreme example of these kinds of MTX but it fits. Not to mention they are one of the states pushing hardest against Loot Boxes. With one bill requiring the gambling commission to investigate that has yet to pass.

As for them having to remove subscription. Subscription is completely different to TH or Loot boxes. If you can't see that after I and I assume other people have tried to tell you the difference. But I'm done trying to convince you otherwise since you'll end up flipping the monopoly board on us any way.
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01-May-2018 16:44:16

Dilbert2001
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Ashlin107 said:
My mistake it wasn't Sweden that was looking at Loot Boxes it was the Netherlands. My bad.

As for Belgium it's more than just asking to talk with these three games. They are actually willing to press for fines or even jail time for the heads of these companies don't get rid of them within some deadline. Also it only be three now but they'll turn to others once the get rid of the main players.

As for Washington and the Casino simulator. Well extreme example of these kinds of MTX but it fits. Not to mention they are one of the states pushing hardest against Loot Boxes. With one bill requiring the gambling commission to investigate that has yet to pass.

As for them having to remove subscription. Subscription is completely different to TH or Loot boxes. If you can't see that after I and I assume other people have tried to tell you the difference. But I'm done trying to convince you otherwise since you'll end up flipping the monopoly board on us any way.


Netherlands have already said loot boxes are not illegal, only the ways some game developers operate may make them a problem. They actually said they have found many games with loot boxes in compliance with their laws.

Since I posted their words here already, I don't need to re-post everything. Just go check it out please:

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/c=j5QoLc1rVzs/forums.ws?14,15,727,66007918

Belgium, Washington State or whatever country, US states have not enforce any laws at all against loot boxes.

I remember you have kept talking about this hypothetical "laws" and invisible "bans" months ago. Here is the same question again:

If loot boxes are illegal and banned, how come we still see them running in all kinds of games everywhere in the world, and players are still playing them?
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01-May-2018 17:02:52

Ashlin107
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Ohh I know this doesn't apply to all Loot Boxes in the Netherlands. But that could change. But it might not. But fact remains that they've declared some Loot Boxes illegal and they are going after some Loot Boxes. Just maybe not as hard as most other countries that have spoken out against these practices.

As for Belgium not having laws against Loot Boxes. Then why are they threatening jail time and million dollar fines against said companies one of which has a Loot Box model that's tame even compared to TH. Enlighten us.

As for Washington not having laws against Loot Boxes. I never said they did. But fact remains they have one bill waiting for its judgment and that they've already taken down a game built around systems similar to Loot Boxes.

I was talking about the possibility of these laws coming into play all those months ago. But kept thinking I was saying they were already in play. But if it makes you feel better I'll admit I did overestimate the possibility of the Hawaii bills making it through.

But now the dominos are starting to fall and the revolution has begun with Belgium leading the way. It'll only be a matter of time before other countries start to follow suit.

Also I've answered your question many times. It takes time for laws to come into effect even after approval. But I guess Google didn't tell you that little fact about laws. Heck it would even seem Jagex may be getting ready to plug the hole in their revenue by raising membership prices should TH need to go.
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01-May-2018 17:37:56

Dilbert2001
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Read my posts on the thread I posted on my last post please. The Legislative Department of a state/country doesn't represent the LAW of the country. It is only a part of the LAW.

Nobody is enforcing any law anywhere in the world against loot boxes. For instance, in Netherlands, it is only case by case. It is not illegal even by their law makers' standard, let alone law enforcement and their judges. Note that not only didn't NGA say loot boxes are illegal, they even refused to name and shame the 4 and only 4 violators. :D:D:D

Again x 9000. Repeating "it takes time" doesn't add any new initiative or change the facts at all. The "time" hasn't come. There is nothing new to discuss until the "time" :D:D:D:D:D:D

Meanwhile, enjoy TH: Gemstacks now. You are given the choices between better rarity and quantity of a prize. :D:D:D

01-May-2018 17:53:38

Ashlin107
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But you didn't say why these games are being called illegal although there are no laws around them as you claim. Again Belgium is just going after the larger games first. Then when that's all said and done they'll naturally move on to smaller companies like Jagex. That's how law enforcement works take out the big offenders before moving onto the small time offenders.

As for the Netherlands well that doesn't change the fact they are going after those publishers or that Belgium are hot on their heels as well. Soon the rest of the EU will follow suit too.

But it would seem your unwilling to argue about this or are unable to. But that won't change the fact that governments are working against Loot Boxes.

As for "it takes time". You don't understand how laws are implemented do you? Governments need to give people time adapt to laws particularly when businesses are involved since they'd need rewrite their plans to make sure they are in line the new laws and make the necessary changes. That goes double for the gaming industry. Since getting rid of loot boxes isn't as simple as highlighting the code that relates to loot boxes and pressing backspace.
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02-May-2018 10:24:35

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