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Blackwing
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Konota said:
Which is IMO acceptable. Not everything needs a static price.

What, are you suggesting that the removal of TH would make GE prices static? Do you really not know how the economy works? > )
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28-May-2018 15:16:23

Dilbert2001
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"So even if you don't use TH yourself, when other people do use it, TH gives an unfair advantage to hiscore competition, it injects more resources to the game, which increases their supply..."


In the real world, this kind of pay to win complaints are also not really an issue accordingly to a more recent Qutee research:

Only 22% of gamers dislike pay to win.

Although more players think pay to win is more problematic than loot boxes, they are still the vocal minorities. The fact is for every player who cries pay to win, there are more than 3 players who either don't care or even enjoy paying for advantages :D:D:D

28-May-2018 17:08:02

UrekMazino
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Dilbert2001 said:
Only 22% of gamers dislike pay to win.

Although more players think pay to win is more problematic than loot boxes, they are still the vocal minorities. The fact is for every player who cries pay to win, there are more than 3 players who either don't care or even enjoy paying for advantages :D:D:D


1. Got a source for your stat there?
2. Sure, I wouldn't mind p2w if it wasn't so obscenely OP like in this game. Compare the p2w in rs3 to osrs alone is enough, in osrs, there's only bond, which allows players to trade real currency with in game currency to give them advantage in game. That's also considered p2w but its nowhere near as obnoxious as rs3's p2w. Another example is WoW, there's also a bond system that allows you to trade real currency with in game currency, and also an instant leveling system, but that only works for 1 character and you have to have another character above that level already.
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28-May-2018 17:21:52

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Only 22% of gamers dislike pay to win.

Although more players think pay to win is more problematic than loot boxes, they are still the vocal minorities. The fact is for every player who cries pay to win, there are more than 3 players who either don't care or even enjoy paying for advantages :D:D:D


1. Got a source for your stat there?
2. Sure, I wouldn't mind p2w if it wasn't so obscenely OP like in this game. Compare the p2w in rs3 to osrs alone is enough, in osrs, there's only bond, which allows players to trade real currency with in game currency to give them advantage in game. That's also considered p2w but its nowhere near as obnoxious as rs3's p2w. Another example is WoW, there's also a bond system that allows you to trade real currency with in game currency, and also an instant leveling system, but that only works for 1 character and you have to have another character above that level already.


https://www.qutee.com/gaming-today-report/

28-May-2018 17:37:19

UrekMazino
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You saying only 22% of gamers display p2w is soooo misleading. From the report your provided:

68.6% say cosmetic only is ok
22% dislike pay to win
5.8% say they don't purchase them
2.4% say they'd rather pay up front
1.3% say they're a fan

Remember, we're talking about TH here, TH is a form of MTX that provides in game advantage. Those 896 voters (huge sample size btw /s) saying cosmetic only is ok will definitely say RS3's TH is not ok as it gives in game advantage by allowing you to skip over some progression.

If I'm interpreting "I'd rather pay up front" correctly, it means that those players would rather buy a full game that has no MTX/p2w feature. And the "I don't purchase them" players are indifferent to MTX/p2w but do no participate it in.

So even if you exclude the 2 types of players mentioned above, it would still mean that a whopping 90.6% of the voters would not be ok with RS3's TH (and 98.7% if you include them). That is in no way a vocal minority of players being ok with p2w.
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29-May-2018 01:59:01

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said:
You saying only 22% of gamers display p2w is soooo misleading. From the report your provided:

68.6% say cosmetic only is ok
22% dislike pay to win
5.8% say they don't purchase them
2.4% say they'd rather pay up front
1.3% say they're a fan

Remember, we're talking about TH here, TH is a form of MTX that provides in game advantage. Those 896 voters (huge sample size btw /s) saying cosmetic only is ok will definitely say RS3's TH is not ok as it gives in game advantage by allowing you to skip over some progression.

If I'm interpreting "I'd rather pay up front" correctly, it means that those players would rather buy a full game that has no MTX/p2w feature. And the "I don't purchase them" players are indifferent to MTX/p2w but do no participate it in.

So even if you exclude the 2 types of players mentioned above, it would still mean that a whopping 90.6% of the voters would not be ok with RS3's TH (and 98.7% if you include them). That is in no way a vocal minority of players being ok with p2w.


Obviously my post was in reference to a social media platform's survey from over 9000 10,000 gamers from different demographic areas and different games, not specifically to only TH in Runescape.

I thought it was very clear that my post was in response to somebody's post with reference to MTX in other games, specially single player games, and TH in Runescape. We were both not talking about just TH in Runecape specifically.

If you don't understand what me and the the user I directly responded to talked about, my apologies and I hope you do now. Otherwise, please be advised again that and read again carefully what we talked about first - and that is, it is the global trend that the vast majority of gamers from all over the world do not dislike pay-to-win. Thanks. :):):)

29-May-2018 17:01:34 - Last edited on 29-May-2018 17:07:30 by Dilbert2001

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UrekMazino said:
You saying only 22% of gamers display p2w is soooo misleading. From the report your provided:

68.6% say cosmetic only is ok
22% dislike pay to win
5.8% say they don't purchase them
2.4% say they'd rather pay up front
1.3% say they're a fan

Remember, we're talking about TH here, TH is a form of MTX that provides in game advantage. Those 896 voters (huge sample size btw /s) saying cosmetic only is ok will definitely say RS3's TH is not ok as it gives in game advantage by allowing you to skip over some progression.

If I'm interpreting "I'd rather pay up front" correctly, it means that those players would rather buy a full game that has no MTX/p2w feature. And the "I don't purchase them" players are indifferent to MTX/p2w but do no participate it in.

So even if you exclude the 2 types of players mentioned above, it would still mean that a whopping 90.6% of the voters would not be ok with RS3's TH (and 98.7% if you include them). That is in no way a vocal minority of players being ok with p2w.

Agreed, thank you for the contribution Diblert :)
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29-May-2018 22:01:54

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Dilbert2001 said:
Obviously my post was in reference to a social media platform's survey from over 9000 10,000 gamers from different demographic areas and different games, not specifically to only TH in Runescape.

I thought it was very clear that my post was in response to somebody's post with reference to MTX in other games, specially single player games, and TH in Runescape. We were both not talking about just TH in Runecape specifically.

If you don't understand what me and the the user I directly responded to talked about, my apologies and I hope you do now. Otherwise, please be advised again that and read again carefully what we talked about first - and that is, it is the global trend that the vast majority of gamers from all over the world do not dislike pay-to-win. Thanks.


Yes thnx for the info.

29-May-2018 22:21:13

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