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Blackwing
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Miu said:
Fortunately, Jagex has finally provided us with some evidence :D And we can finally put to rest some faulty assumptions some have used to argue that RS3 somehow has a higher playerbase than OSRS.

http://file.finance.sina.com.cn/211.154.219.97:9494/MRGG/CNSESH_STOCK/2018/2018-6/2018-06-02/4491886.PDF

According to this, both runescapes have a total of ~765,400 members.

According to the Runefest OSRS presentation, OSRS has 550,000 members.


OSRS accounts for 70% of the total membership.
RS3 accounts for 30%.

94k concurrent players total as of right now.
68k on OSRS. 26k RS3.

72% of the concurrent playercount is OSRS.
28% of the concurrent playercount is RS3.

Is this consistent with our findings using the active playercount? Absolutely, a margin of difference of only 2%, which could be attributed to bots if you wish.

So
70% of the playerbase is OSRS in both concurrent playerbase and in total subscribers.
But only 30% RS3?
Why?

Probably TH. You can debate that. But you can no longer believe or debate that RS3 somehow is more popular through pitiful mental gymnastics, lest you ignore mod rowley and the rest of Jagex :D

Idk how you found that PDF, but yeah, it does paint the picture that OSRS isn't just doing better for the online player counter, but for the member count as well. Doesn't surprise me at all tbh: P2W games might do well short term, but in the long term, game integrity is what makes a successful game, for which the RS3/OSRS comparison is a testament. > )

Cheers!
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19-Oct-2018 10:47:52

Blackwing
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Joch said:
I remember a time in what is now rs3 feeling like I've accomplished something in the game when I got a 99 or something along those lines. I recently got 99 runecrafting by just logging in and using daily keys from around 92, I got it and was like ......Oh that's it. There is no sense of achievement left the whole game just feels kind of pointless now. I play osrs and all that rs3 used to have is still there you actually feel like playing it because you get something from it. Not mindless xp and gold thrown at you and promos shoved in your face. Rs3 is dying and I don't see a way back the mtx has ruined the experience it's just a pay to win or don't play it at all just take free gp/xp over time. What a shame.

Yeah, I used to have the goal of 200m exp in all skills in RS3, but after Jagex kept pushing the handouts like TH to no end, eventually (although way late) I realized that there wasn't any point to doing it, because it wasn't a challenge at all and legitimate competition was dead, in favor of allowing whales to unload their wallets to TH. It really sucks, because I used to adore RS3, even after all the big controversies like EoC, and I still could, if only Jagex started caring about the game integrity again. > /
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19-Oct-2018 10:57:22

Ashlin107
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Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
Fortunately, Jagex has finally provided us with some evidence :D And we can finally put to rest some faulty assumptions some have used to argue that RS3 somehow has a higher playerbase than OSRS.

http://file.finance.sina.com.cn/211.154.219.97:9494/MRGG/CNSESH_STOCK/2018/2018-6/2018-06-02/4491886.PDF

According to this, both runescapes have a total of ~765,400 members.

According to the Runefest OSRS presentation, OSRS has 550,000 members.


OSRS accounts for 70% of the total membership.
RS3 accounts for 30%.

94k concurrent players total as of right now.
68k on OSRS. 26k RS3.

72% of the concurrent playercount is OSRS.
28% of the concurrent playercount is RS3.

Is this consistent with our findings using the active playercount? Absolutely, a margin of difference of only 2%, which could be attributed to bots if you wish.

So
70% of the playerbase is OSRS in both concurrent playerbase and in total subscribers.
But only 30% RS3?
Why?

Probably TH. You can debate that. But you can no longer believe or debate that RS3 somehow is more popular through pitiful mental gymnastics, lest you ignore mod rowley and the rest of Jagex :D


OSRS members are RS3 members too. They can also play RS3 too. Being OSRS "members" don't exclude them from being RS3 members. Your numbers still show absolutely nothing about RS3 members. :D


So you're implying that RS3 is safe because RS3 and OSRS are on the same membership. Well so was RSC and we all know what happened to that game. Plus it's clear Jagex are desprate to maintain player engagement when they are releasing more daily events despite promising to cut down on dailyscape in the year ahead.
The statement below is false.
The statement above is true.

19-Oct-2018 14:38:20

Dilbert2001
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Ashlin107 said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:



OSRS members are RS3 members too. They can also play RS3 too. Being OSRS "members" don't exclude them from being RS3 members. Your numbers still show absolutely nothing about RS3 members. :D


So you're implying that RS3 is safe because RS3 and OSRS are on the same membership. Well so was RSC and we all know what happened to that game. Plus it's clear Jagex are desprate to maintain player engagement when they are releasing more daily events despite promising to cut down on dailyscape in the year ahead.


Not just sharing the same membership plan, the 550k "OSRS" members don't mean they don't play RS3. Suppose there are 9 RS3 forum users but only 1 for OSRS now, it definitely doesn't mean there are 9 times RS3 forum users to OSRS.

And without these "daily events", RS3 would have like 3 main updates the next 12 months instead of 7 main updates just in this next 3 month Winter season. Also, the RS3 content team would be down to like 20 members instead of 75 now.

19-Oct-2018 16:00:16

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
Not just sharing the same membership plan, the 550k "OSRS" members don't mean they don't play RS3. Suppose there are 9 RS3 forum users but only 1 for OSRS now, it definitely doesn't mean there are 9 times RS3 forum users to OSRS.

And without these "daily events", RS3 would have like 3 main updates the next 12 months instead of 7 main updates just in this next 3 month Winter season. Also, the RS3 content team would be down to like 20 members instead of 75 now.


550k OSRS members don't mean they don't play RS3.

That's what the concurrent player count is for. 70% of the online users are OSRS.
70% of total membership is OSRS.

137k /r/runescape subscribers
2,300 online.

255k /r/2007scape subscribers
8,600 online.

OSRS is larger by every conceivable metric, as has been proven by Jagex's own statistics, community population tracking, financial reports, reddit population and subscriber count, and even the homepage. Apologies that this seems to invalidate your fanfiction and strawman arguments.

Now, are you going to continue making faulty assumptions so you can try to pretend RS3 is more popular? Or are you going to address the issues that are causing RS3 to hemorrhage its playerbase?

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19-Oct-2018 17:14:16

Dilbert2001
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Keep spamming the same unofficial Jagex "source" doesn't mean a thing, especially when it contracts your original post that the Jagex OSRS team's claim of 550k OSRS members.

137k + 255k = 392k subscribers only according to your latest post, way way way way way x 9000 below the 550k from the Jagex OSRS team and the 765k from the official Fukong 2017 Financial report.

Meanwhile, the actual official Jagex Seasonal Overall Hiscores show:
34,292 OSRS players
280,159 RS3 players

https://secure.runescape.com/m=hiscore_oldschool_seasonal/overall.ws?category_type=0

https://secure.runescape.com/m=hiscore/ranking?category_type=0&table=0&time_filter=2&date=1539966739881&page=11206

19-Oct-2018 17:33:09

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
Keep spamming the same unofficial Jagex "source" doesn't mean a thing, especially when it contracts your original post that the Jagex OSRS team's claim of 550k OSRS members.

137k + 255k = 392k subscribers only according to your latest post, way way way way way x 9000 below the 550k from the Jagex OSRS team and the 765k from the official Fukong 2017 Financial report.
You appear to be very confused. Reddit subscribers are simply a metric of popularity or discussion. I didn't claim they represented Runescape subscribers. Those are different things.

Dilbert2001 said:
Meanwhile, the actual official Jagex Seasonal Overall Hiscores show:
34,292 OSRS players
280,159 RS3 players

https://secure.runescape.com/m=hiscore_oldschool_seasonal/overall.ws?category_type=0

https://secure.runescape.com/m=hiscore/ranking?category_type=0&table=0&time_filter=2&date=1539966739881&page=11206
LMAO those are deadman seasonals. There are 35k OSRS players in an alternate gamemode for OSRS. That would be like comparing the Dimension of the Damned hiscores. You're comparing apples and broccoli, buddy. Or santa and the easter bunny, which you like to bring up so much. Again, strawman, deflect, irrelevant, spam.
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19-Oct-2018 17:36:39 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2018 17:37:53 by Miu

Dilbert2001
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You never said Reddit or whatever. You simply said "Runescape subscription".

"137k /r/runescape subscribers
2,300 online.

255k /r/2007scape subscribers
8,600 online."


Sorry to further correct you. What I quoted the 34,292 OSRS players is from the SEASONAL OSRS Overall Hiscores. I have been comparing RS3 Seasonal Hiscores to OSRS Seasonal Hiscores.

The OSRS Deadman Seasonal Hiscore is here:

"https://secure.runescape.com/m=hiscore_oldschool_deadman/c=eIb7hW0A49k/overall.ws?category_type=0

Even with the key OSRS Deadman event running, the entire duration only drew 288,378 players. Meanwhile, in not even 2/3 of the month of October, RS3 already tallied about the same number of players. :D

19-Oct-2018 17:50:59

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
You never said Reddit or whatever. You simply said "Runescape subscription".

"137k /r/runescape subscribers
2,300 online.

255k /r/2007scape subscribers
8,600 online."


/r/ indicates a subreddit. This is doubly made obvious as there's no ambiguity in 2007scape, which is not a runescape game, but a subreddit. Do i have to spoonfeed you?

Dilbert2001 said:
The OSRS Deadman Seasonal Hiscore is here:

"https://secure.runescape.com/m=hiscore_oldschool_deadman/c=eIb7hW0A49k/overall.ws?category_type=0

Even with the key OSRS Deadman event running, the entire duration only drew 288,378 players. Meanwhile, in not even 2/3 of the month of October, RS3 already tallied about the same number of players. :D


You're scrambling to the OSRS hiscores to bring up irrelevancies that you don't even understand. There's two deadman hiscores, one for the main server, and one for seasonals. You're comparing a gamemode that many people don't even play... to RS3 seasonal hiscores which run for a limited time. There is no OSRS seasonal hiscore in the same vein as RS3's. You are immensely confused.

None of which is on-topic.
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19-Oct-2018 17:57:26 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2018 18:16:07 by Miu

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