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Blackwing
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Miu said:
137k /r/runescape subscribers
2,300 online.

255k /r/2007scape subscribers
8,600 online.

I think it should also be added that /r/runescape was created on April 2009, whilst r/2007scape was created on February 2013, so the RS3 subreddit has had roughly 4 more years time to accumulate subscribers, and probably has more "dead" subscribers too (people that have stayed subbed but don't care about the subscription anymore, such as people quitting to OSRS or completely; I don't know how big of a problem dead subs are on Reddit overall, but on Youtube many old channels have enormous subscriber numbers in comparison to the actual views on new videos that they get anymore, even if the channel only focuses around one type of videos), which would explain why OSRS's subreddit is so many times more active, even though they're only about twice the size in subscriber count.

(Inb4 "half of the people active on OSRS's subreddit are bots!".)

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And yeah, like Miu explained, there is no hiscore for OSRS that works similarly to RS3's weekly/monthly exp hiscores. I wish there was, but until/if that happens, comparing to a harsh PvP game mode that most OSRS players don't care about is comic at best.


Miu said:
The PDF is courtesy of dilbert :)

Oh, I didn't expect people to still play themselves. > )
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19-Oct-2018 18:39:33

Dilbert2001
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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
but they're not active. At least, not playing now :)


Show proof the RS3 members are not active but the OSRS "members" are always "active" please. At least, we all know we don' thave 550k "OSRS" "members" playing now. :D:D:D

Review this post. Or visit oldschool.runescape.com and subtract the OSRS number from the number at the top of this page to get the concurrent RS3 players.

Miu said:
That's what the concurrent player count is for. 70% of the online users are OSRS.
70% of total membership is OSRS.

137k /r/runescape subscribers
2,300 online.

255k /r/2007scape subscribers
8,600 online.

OSRS is larger by every conceivable metric, as has been proven by Jagex's own statistics, community population tracking, financial reports, reddit population and subscriber count, and even the homepage. Apologies that this seems to invalidate your fanfiction and strawman arguments.

Now, are you going to continue making faulty assumptions so you can try to pretend RS3 is more popular? Or are you going to address the issues that are causing RS3 to hemorrhage its playerbase?

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You are spamming the same unofficial data over and over and over 9000 times again. They don't show total RS3 and OSRS population. And you even admitted the "Runescape Subscribers" are actually Reddit forum users,
not to be mistaken with actual real life active Runescape players in the games and Hiscores of RS3 and OSRS
. :D

19-Oct-2018 18:39:45

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
You are spamming the same unofficial data over and over and over 9000 times again. They don't show total RS3 and OSRS population. And you even admitted the "Runescape Subscribers" are actually Reddit forum users,
not to be mistaken with actual real life active Runescape players in the games and Hiscores of RS3 and OSRS
.


There's nothing unofficial about the numbers at the top of the screen, dilbert.

First you say that the numbers are somehow "fake" or "unofficial." Then once proven, you say that it doesn't represent the total number of runescape subscribers, which is about 765k according to the quarterly. Then Jagex releases the subscriber numbers for OSRS, which is 550k.

Then you compare seasonals, not even knowing what those highscores represent in OSRS, which is a variant of deadman mode which isn't even active at the moment.

Now what? You're not convinced OSRS is more popular because they didn't do enough elite clue scrolls? Oh, but OSRS did more easy clue scrolls than RS3, so let's not mention that.

Then you conflate /r/runescape with Runescape subscribers. I know you use reddit, so I can only assume this is a deliberate misrepresentation in bad faith.

Just stop moving the goalposts and just get back on topic, please.
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19-Oct-2018 18:47:00 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2018 18:54:01 by Miu

Dilbert2001
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Only the 550k "OSRS member" are Jagex's words but they do not mean all of those 550k members don't play RS3. That's why we still see so many RS3 players participating in the game as shown in Hiscores. Please don't fake that.

All the other data sources you pulled out are not official Runescape or Jagex data whatsoever. When you first posted the Reddit data you did not specify it whatsoever. If there was "bad faith" it definitely was in your part.

RS3 and OSRS3 Hiscores is official Jagex data on their official websites. Did OSRS players always did 3x, 2x or just flat out more in game than RS3 players when it comes to real activities like skilling and clues? Nope. Hiscores show the fact. Nope. OSRS does not have 3x, 2x, 1.5x, or whatever multiplier you want to pull out than active RS3 participants.

Now, if you have to come to "popularity", I don't disagree more "current player online" may make a game seems like a little more "popular" to some people, but financially speaking (please take a moment to look up what this thread is about first), more "current player online" doesn't translate to more profits to the company. If these concurrent "players" don't play the game and more importantly don't make recurrent payments, they don't mean much to Jagex.

Whether you want to move the goal pole is irrelevant since as a business, I believe Jagex's "goal pole" is how much their players payers give them. And we know the answer from TH alone last year already - it is close to $30 million. If you insist TH is "not popular" so be it. I guess whether Jagex achieve their goal financially, not in term of "popularity" is what it counts the most. :D

So I heard people whining crying about Alice being in the game is bad but look not too far away, now we even have Nic physically in the game selling TH items for Alice. Does it bother anybody? I don't think so at a

19-Oct-2018 19:09:09 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2018 19:15:37 by Dilbert2001

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Dilbert2001 said:
So I heard people whining crying about Alice being in the game is bad but look not too far away, now we even have Nic physically in the game selling TH items for Alice. Does it bother anybody? I don't think so at all. :D:D:D


Of course it's bothering people. That's why people are turning to OSRS instead of RS3, which accounts for 70% of the subscribers and 70% of the concurrent players.
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19-Oct-2018 19:13:31

Dilbert2001
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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
So I heard people whining crying about Alice being in the game is bad but look not too far away, now we even have Nic physically in the game selling TH items for Alice. Does it bother anybody? I don't think so at all. :D:D:D


Of course it's bothering people. That's why people are turning to OSRS instead of RS3, which accounts for 70% of the subscribers and 70% of the concurrent players.


Hiscores say otherwise, sorry. At the very least, Runescores chalked up >420k active and most recent players in about a month already. Just that number is already more impressive than EvE Online already.

And don't forget 90% of the RS3 players who actually play the game enjoy it according to Matt Casey in his Jagex MTX presentation for CausalConnect. :D

19-Oct-2018 19:21:56

Dilbert2001
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Immortalized said:
the rs3 hiscores is full of former players who are ranked high enough to show up

most likely they're playing osrs actively now too lol


RS3 Seasonal Hiscores and Runescores (which is just a one month old baby) beg to differ. :D

19-Oct-2018 19:48:11

Dilbert2001
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Immortalized said:
seasonals only store like 500 players? not sure what ur thinking


500? You probably have been hibernation under the rock for 10 years.

Try seasonal hiscores liket this:

https://secure.runescape.com/m=hiscore/c=myAAXdAQ9sk/ranking?category_type=0&table=0&time_filter=2&date=1535828639183&page=14769

It shows about 370k players already. I guess, there is no limit probably, let alone just 500.

19-Oct-2018 20:05:59

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