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Resylt
Jul Gold Premier Club Member 2014

Resylt

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There is a complex luring scam going around right now, and has been for a couple months, from what I can tell in forum threads.

A quick solution:

Remove the tree-line from the beginning of the wilderness, up to like...level 5 or 10.

The current, popular luring scam relies on there being trees that the perpetrators can glitch behind.

I personally had the lure happen to me (lost 2.4b in the process, thinking I could "outsmart" the lurers.), and the people are definitely exploiting a movement bug in order to trick you into believing that they are right next to you.

Their avatar is visually right beside you, however the glitch forces any interactions to be where they've "moved" to, which is behind a tree out into the wilderness.

If it weren't for the trees, your interaction would simply travel across the space between you two and you wouldn't move, as expected.

Since they are actually behind the tree, it forces your character to move to a spot where they are in view. The game calculates the quickest path to make this happen, which normally ends in you moving to the spot directly next to them, where you then get piled by people waiting to jump you.

31-Dec-2018 22:18:30 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2018 22:20:02 by Resylt

Lordsyth
Dec Member 2017

Lordsyth

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Until then, don't try to scam scammers?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


I dont know why its so hard to understand... you were just scammed/lured for billions of gold... your not a noob, youve obviously understand the game and have been around for a while. Yet somehow you thought it was a brilliant idea to take billions of gold into the wilderness as if nothing bad was going to happen.

I understand this post was to warn others... but how the hell did YOU reach the point that you were able to fall for this?

01-Jan-2019 04:46:16

Resylt
Jul Gold Premier Club Member 2014

Resylt

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Lordsyth said:
Until then, don't try to scam scammers?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


I dont know why its so hard to understand... you were just scammed/lured for billions of gold... your not a noob, youve obviously understand the game and have been around for a while. Yet somehow you thought it was a brilliant idea to take billions of gold into the wilderness as if nothing bad was going to happen.

I understand this post was to warn others... but how the hell did YOU reach the point that you were able to fall for this?


Why the hell do people not approach lurers/scammers with the same level of animosity as you just showed me?

I made a mistake. What I don't understand, is why people like you feel the need to reiterate how stupid the mistake was, as if I didn't already destroy half my apartment yesterday in anger at myself over this mistake.

I felt that I could outsmart them. I was wrong. I am trying to make something of that mistake, so that it is not a total loss, by:

a) making other players aware of the scam/lure, without giving away enough details to make it so that potential lurers could learn how to do it.

b) provide a quick solution idea to Jagex, so that people stop getting lured by this.


Seriously, people like you, need to think before you speak.

When people say they got lured, they recognize damn well they were a large portion of the stupidity leading up to it, and they don't need people like you chastising them while they're trying to prevent the issue from happening to others.

01-Jan-2019 06:13:22 - Last edited on 01-Jan-2019 06:42:38 by Resylt

Resylt
Jul Gold Premier Club Member 2014

Resylt

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Lordsyth said:
Until then, don't try to scam scammers?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


I dont know why its so hard to understand... you were just scammed/lured for billions of gold... your not a noob, youve obviously understand the game and have been around for a while. Yet somehow you thought it was a brilliant idea to take billions of gold into the wilderness as if nothing bad was going to happen.

I understand this post was to warn others... but how the hell did YOU reach the point that you were able to fall for this?


A player approached me last month. We struck some good conversation, and decided to add each other to the friends' list.

We kept in touch a couple times, and a while back he mentioned that he found a way to make money, and stick it to lurers, because they had started giving a bit of money up front to earn players' trust.

It all seemed logical. Act like you're playing into their hands, then take the trust money and run. The logical, seemingly safe part of it was "as long as I do not cross into the attackable zone of the wilderness, I'm fine. That's what that safe zone is there for." He convinced me to give it a shot, because I watched him supposedly do it to the lurers. So the next time that a lurer approached me, I gave it a shot.

We got to the wilderness line, I was standing well within the safe-zone, and the main lure-person was standing next to me. Clear as day, literally right next to me.

He told me to cast any spell on him that wasn't a combat spell. I thought "oh, whatever. I'm in the safe zone. It should do nothing."

However, as soon as I cast the spell on him, my player ran straight for the tree line, and then he appeared behind the tree. The item that he was holding had allowed him to spoof his actual location. He was not, in fact, standing right next to me, like I had seen.

01-Jan-2019 06:41:06

Resylt
Jul Gold Premier Club Member 2014

Resylt

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Lordsyth said:
Until then, don't try to scam scammers?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


I dont know why its so hard to understand... you were just scammed/lured for billions of gold... your not a noob, youve obviously understand the game and have been around for a while. Yet somehow you thought it was a brilliant idea to take billions of gold into the wilderness as if nothing bad was going to happen.

I understand this post was to warn others... but how the hell did YOU reach the point that you were able to fall for this?


Because of the item that this person was holding, he was able to spoof his location.
Because of the tree line that he was standing behind, my character was forced to move itself so that he would be brought into a line of sight, even though to my eyes, he was standing right next to me.

At that point, a few people came out of the trees and jumped me before I could run back to the safe zone.

My "friend" that had convinced me to try it, then logged out immediately. I then realized that he was a part of it, and had actually scouted me out last month, to gain my trust over time.

01-Jan-2019 06:41:17

Lordsyth
Dec Member 2017

Lordsyth

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So at the end of the day, you tried to scam some scammers.

Bottom line... nothing needs to be fixed other than peoples expectations that they can outsmart scammers. Almost every 'I got scammed/lured' complaint/post I see is from someone 'experienced' at the game who thought they could outsmart a scammer at their own game.

What needs to change is peoples thought processes...

ALMOST EVERY SINGLE POST ABOUT GETTING SCAMMED/LURED
- PLAYER says if I take [EXPENSIVE STUFF] into the wilderness, something good will happen.
- Since im a smart guy, I can tell this is a scam. So obvious, im so smart. Ill go along with it though, but knowing its a scam, I know that I can outsmart them.
- Oh hecking fudge. I got scammed. Damn scammers scammed me before I scammed them!



There are literally no glitches that can score you free stuff.
There is no one that wants to share secrets about easy/free gold
The wilderness is not safe, the people asking you to go into it are not safe.
Scammers know that you think your a genius, thats part of the scam, convincing you you can scam your way out of it.
And if, by some chance you manage to trick the scammers and make off with some stuff... congratulations, your now a scammer.

01-Jan-2019 08:14:21

Lordsyth
Dec Member 2017

Lordsyth

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- Some guy told me about another guy who robs people.
- If I go to him with all my money from my bank account, down this dark alley, I can get the jump on him and take HIS money before he takes mine!
- Oh fiddlesticks, I got stabbed and robbed.

01-Jan-2019 08:17:12

Resylt
Jul Gold Premier Club Member 2014

Resylt

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Lordsyth said:
So at the end of the day, you tried to scam some scammers.

Bottom line... nothing needs to be fixed other than peoples expectations that they can outsmart scammers. Almost every 'I got scammed/lured' complaint/post I see is from someone 'experienced' at the game who thought they could outsmart a scammer at their own game.

What needs to change is peoples thought processes...

ALMOST EVERY SINGLE POST ABOUT GETTING SCAMMED/LURED
- PLAYER says if I take [EXPENSIVE STUFF] into the wilderness, something good will happen.
- Since im a smart guy, I can tell this is a scam. So obvious, im so smart. Ill go along with it though, but knowing its a scam, I know that I can outsmart them.
- Oh hecking fudge. I got scammed. Damn scammers scammed me before I scammed them!



There are literally no glitches that can score you free stuff.
There is no one that wants to share secrets about easy/free gold
The wilderness is not safe, the people asking you to go into it are not safe.
Scammers know that you think your a genius, thats part of the scam, convincing you you can scam your way out of it.
And if, by some chance you manage to trick the scammers and make off with some stuff... congratulations, your now a scammer.


You apparently missed my first response to you about how "duh, I made a mistake. I know that, and have learned a great deal from it. But I'm also trying to suggest ways to prevent it from happening to other people."

You asked me how I got to that point, and I explained it in detail. I'm done explaining my mistake to people who (again) just feel like using it to kick people while they're down.

Your attitude amounting to "let the stupid pay for being stupid, and it doesn't matter what rules are broken in the process" is pretty pretentious.

01-Jan-2019 15:50:09

Resylt
Jul Gold Premier Club Member 2014

Resylt

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Miu said:
Animation stalling has been around for a long time and comes from a huge variety of sources. The trees have minimal, if any relation to it, and your solution would fix almost nothing.


Unless you were there or have seen this specific lure before, you don't know what you're talking about.

I was standing next to the dude for a good 10-20 seconds. That's more than animation stalling -- or if that's exactly what you are talking about, is those lengths of times, that's one hell of a bug, so rules were still broken to the point of exploiting a glitch.

01-Jan-2019 15:52:42

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