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Krovikan400
Feb Member 2019

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So yeah, were do I start?

Gold smelting now gives 7 xp per bar. For members w/ gold smelthing gloves this used to be 52,6 xp per bar. This means that currently we get only 12 % of the xp of what we used to get from smelting gold (prior rework).

Did we get something in return? In fact; no. The chance of getting double bars is completely gone. With the removal of the portable forge, this all moved to the metal bank. However the metal bank double bar chance does not work with gold ores. So there is no double bars for gold smelting.

Non members can not store their goldores in their ore boxes or in their metal bank. This is because gold smelting is quest/pay walled behind the members ONLY quest Family Crest. Family Crest requires you to get past lvl 67 ogres and lvl 92 hellhounds (you don't have to fight them, but they will attack you). So for low-level players / skillers smelting gold is out of reach.

Non members who have previously (during their member period) done the Family Crest quest, can in fact store gold ores and bars in the metal bank. This makes no sense what so ever.

So in short: Members w/ Family Crest have seen their xp lowerd from 52,6 to 7 xp per bar with being able to store gold ores and bars in the metal bank and ore box. Without double bar chance. Also with smelting gloves they can smelt 60 bars (in general) in one go, without these going into their backpacks.

non-members and members without Family Crest have seen their xp lower from 22,5 to 7 xp per bar. They can not store gold ores in the metal bank or in ore boxes. This also means greater walking distances due to the portable forge being removed. And also the double bar chance is completely gone.

P.s. I am being warned in-game for abusing the bug report system on this matter, and on the broken D&D timer for shooting stars, which is still not fixed. Please don't. My bug reports are justified.

26-Feb-2019 14:02:06 - Last edited on 26-Feb-2019 14:02:39 by Krovikan400

Adarajin
Jan Member 2005

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smelting gold ores were never intended to be a massive training method is my understanding of why it was changed, and I think the same goes for crafting jewelry in bulk (not as certain about this being behind Jagex's reasoning).

I do agree though, that even with the nerfed xp, there should be a f2p way to make gold bars in bulk for those that want to supply them.
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26-Feb-2019 17:43:42

Krovikan400
Feb Member 2019

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I agree with both of you guys. However the fact that one non-member can smelt gold in bulk because he/she had done the family crest quest during member period, and another non-member can't, is at least something that should be fixed right away.

I am not a fan of quest walling something. And needing to get past lvl 92 and lvl 68 aggressive mobo's make gold smelting in bulk quite quest walled for low level/skiller accounts.

And I don't understand why the double bar chance got removed. It just aint there for gold smelting in general.

I am not suggesting to up the xp for gold smelting. Just saying that indeed f2p and members without family crest should be able to bulk smelt & store gold.

The bulk making/ storing change is too little for this huge xp nerf.

Doomofdawest said:
F2P CANT SMITH GOLD BARS??!?!?!?!

THIS IS MADNESS!!!! TOO FAR!!!! THIS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY!!!!


Okay. Fyi, I am member myself, and the rework is out for 2 months. Go be a kid somewhere else.

28-Feb-2019 15:55:22 - Last edited on 28-Feb-2019 16:14:41 by Krovikan400

darn 42
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The way your OP reads, it sounds like you are asking for something to happen because of the xp rate drop.

I don't think the lack of xp is the reason to ask for a fix.

I do however, think that all bars, including gold, should always be storeable within the metal bank. It doesn't make sense that there is a quest requirement to access that part of the metal bank, and I didn't realize it was there until now.

28-Feb-2019 18:15:40

Thunder Jinx
Feb Member 2010

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Adarajin said:
smelting gold ores were never intended to be a massive training method is my understanding of why it was changed, and I think the same goes for crafting jewelry in bulk (not as certain about this being behind Jagex's reasoning).

I don't know where you get this information from, but it sounds like a very recent revelation because goldsmithing gauntlets were first made in 2002 and in 2004 you became able to change back and forth between the enchantments. In 2005 they made Keldagrim goldmine a great place to mine gold and ship off to your bank without leaving. Again in 2009 they made LRC which made gold ores even easier to obtain. They clearly wanted people to mine more gold ores and use them.
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01-Mar-2019 04:35:47

Rikornak
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Krovikan400 said:
I agree with both of you guys. However the fact that one non-member can smelt gold in bulk because he/she had done the family crest quest during member period, and another non-member can't, is at least something that should be fixed right away.

I am not a fan of quest walling something. And needing to get past lvl 92 and lvl 68 aggressive mobo's make gold smelting in bulk quite quest walled for low level/skiller accounts.

And I don't understand why the double bar chance got removed. It just aint there for gold smelting in general.

I am not suggesting to up the xp for gold smelting. Just saying that indeed f2p and members without family crest should be able to bulk smelt & store gold.


I must admit: Something like unlocking the storage of non-core ores and bars is a great quest reward: It is interesting enough for players to actually get it, as it even opens up new methods to use a skill (i.e. smelting a full inventory of gemmed jewellery at once), but it isn't really something a player needs to have in their repertoire (unlike to let's say ancient curses now). Since it is a passive ability is also will always remain attractive, unlike to let's say the skilling items awarded by sliske's endgame, which had largely been outperformed nowadays.

It isn't like Jagex had taken something away from specialized accounts (f2ps, skillers,...), they just haven't given that functionality to them - you hadn't had it before the update either. Since those metals aren't used in smithing (except for smelting and a few quest items) it's not even like they've withheld smithing functionality from you.

Former members having this functionality permanently unlocked is an issue though, so I'd suggest they shouldn't be able to store more gold/silver while on a free world (but be able to use the ore/bars already stored). That wouldn't be too different to the additional gofannon amulet charges a member could earn.
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01-Mar-2019 07:38:16 - Last edited on 01-Mar-2019 07:39:45 by Rikornak

Doomofdawest
Dec Member 2018

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Krovikan400 said:

Okay. Fyi, I am member myself, and the rework is out for 2 months. Go be a kid somewhere else.


Rude, I think it's ridiculous f2p cant smith gold and I dont care if you're a member or not
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01-Mar-2019 16:40:43

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