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Taniquetil
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I strongly suspect there is a bug in the game, but I cannot confirm it, so I would like some input from other players.

I have been breeding spiders for months now and have never received a spirit spider through breeding.

I suspect that after the purchase of the seasonalizer (or possibly some other upgrade) the non-seasonal versions of spiders and sheep (i.e. white sheep and spirit spiders) become unobtainable. This might also have been something that happened after Jagex made the last POF update.

The reason I suspect this is that when I originally started breeding sheep at the beginning of the POF update, I got white sheep quite often. But now they never appear. I did not start breeding spiders until much later, after I had already purchased all the upgrades.

Even though I have used two spirit spiders, one with the strong genes trait, when breeding, they have never produced another spirit spider. A reddit thread showed other players who have similar issues.

So my question is: Have any of you who play POF managed to successfully breed a spirit spider or a white sheep lately (i.e. after Jagex's latest POF update). If so, have you already purchased the seasonalizer?

Thanks for your comments and feedback.

30-May-2019 05:57:35

UrekMazino
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Its called RNG man, I've gotten spirit spider after buying seasonaliser. You can turn it off if you're feeling paranoid, but all seasonaliser does is allows you to change the current season, even if you turn it off now, you'll just keep rolling for night, spirit, rax, and summer spiders. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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30-May-2019 06:45:53

Taniquetil
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I understand RNG. But having bred hundreds of spiders without even 1 spirit spider appearing seems unlikely even given very unfavorable RNG. It suggests there is some systematic component driving the process.

I have turned the seasonalizer off, and have had it off for months.

Would you mind telling me when you received your spirit spider through breeding? (i.e. was it after Jagex's latest POF update)

Thank you for your feedback, by the way.

31-May-2019 07:57:18

Kikizosan
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Occam's razor suggests that if there were a bug here, other people would be raising it.

Have you tried shifting up the time of day that you check your farm progress?

31-May-2019 08:36:33

Archaeox
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The sheep will depend on when they breed - during the day for white, or at night for black (9pm to 9am game time).

Your problem with the spirit spider does seem odd; on reflection, I haven't had any spirit spiders for a while either...

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31-May-2019 13:39:47

Taniquetil
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Kikizosan said:
Occam's razor suggests that if there were a bug here, other people would be raising it.

Have you tried shifting up the time of day that you check your farm progress?


In response to your first point, as I mentioned in the OP, other users on Reddit have also noticed this.

Regarding the second point, yes, I have varied the time of day I check the farm progress. That actually gets at another bug I've noticed: That Callia doesn't seem to collect spider eggs.

For instance, I leave her alone with dragons for a few days, and she collects on average one egg per day if the breeding pen is full. However, I have left her alone with spiders in the breeding pen for over a week, and she has never collected any spider eggs.

I don't know if that issue with Callia is still happening, since I took spiders out of the breeding pen and replaced them with dragons (since Callia wasn't working for spiders). So many Jagex has fixed that in the interim.

But they definitely haven't fixed the issue with the spirit spiders, because I've been breeding (and still am breeding) spiders in both of the medium pens for months, and have not yet received even one spirit spider.

03-Jun-2019 22:57:25 - Last edited on 03-Jun-2019 23:10:57 by Taniquetil

Taniquetil
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Also, another point with respect to people reporting the bug: This is the type of bug you can only identify with statistics.

With most bugs, it's clear when something is wrong. But with a bug like this, the first reaction of most players (as demonstrated by the very first response to my OP) is, "Oh, I must be getting bad RNG."

The only way to know that it's something systematically wrong rather than just bad RNG is to collect a lot of observations, and also to pay attention to those observations. I suspect most players are not keeping track of the data, and so might not notice a statistical abnormality.

But I have been keeping track. And I have a lot of observations. And I'm quite confident there's something wrong.

03-Jun-2019 23:06:39

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