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Hello, Since I play using legacy combat mode with a eoc interface, I would like to provide feedback and suggestions on how to improve the legacy combat experience.


-Problems while using legacy combat.

Lack of defensive abilities.

Difficulty eating and drinking potions.

Lack of offensive abilities.

Very slow adrenaline/special regeneration.

Few useful special weapons for max combat, zgs has a berserk-like special but the magic and range styles do not.

Special weapons are random and a lot of them need work, some have a high cost for a useless or ineffective attack.

Few useful weapons for basic combat, legacy combat practically forces you to use a 2h because dual weapons deal very little damage.

Weapon speed is important for legacy combat but rs3 has no fast/fastest 2h swords or staffs.

Not all bosses are compatible with legacy combat, Example - Zily saradomin gwd1 boss hard mode is unkillable in legacy mode because you need to finish it with an ultimate ability.

Auto attacks are slow with a Zgs and sometimes miss or hit really low at vind gwd2. Sometimes I hit really well, mostly but there seems to be chance to hit really bad or not at all even with super ovls, prayer, great gear and aura's.
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01-Dec-2018 18:57:32 - Last edited on 21-Jan-2019 03:58:36 by Jennette

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-Solutions for multiple problems legacy combat has for bossing.


Add the rest of the defensive abilities to equipment slot items. Stunning and movement abilities should also be added to equipment slot items.

Introduce more weapons to fill 2h speed gaps and weapon special gaps.

Look over existing special weapons and make tweeks if needed.

Adjust dual wield weapons so occasional max hits match that of a 2h of the same level.

A option to link a food item to a drink item to be consumed in sequence in a single click, to avoid dragging and spamming.

Special bar regeneration for auto attacking.
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01-Dec-2018 18:59:18 - Last edited on 15-Jan-2019 00:58:23 by Jennette

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I like the animations personally, but that's not really a problem with legacy combat. Besides you can change the walk/run animations still, however it is the same for combat.

My main concern about legacy combat is that it lacks crucial survival abilities that are required for boss encounters.

I understand legacy was intended to make the new game feel like the old game again, it still will in ways but you cant change the fact that this is rs3. Try and you will be brought back to reality by constant failures due to the lack of these survival abilities.
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02-Dec-2018 03:40:22

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Well see I used to play using ability bars and manual combat, I like manual combat, I also like auto attacks. Most of the abilities I don't like the animations for. Also I prefer not using ability bars they clutter my screen. So for these reasons I enjoy legacy combat because it is pretty much manual combat with more auto attacks.

Legacy combat should not be years behind eoc when they are in the same game.

My suggested fixes will solve problems legacy has with hard pvm content that requires thinking. These fixes will not disrupt the legacy feel of the combat mode, we already have the provoke ability in the shield slot while using high level shields of value. It is time to add the other abilities that are required for normal gameplay in rs3.


The issue with dual wield weapons, (for all styles) low hits and low dpm, double rune cost for weak spell casts at a high speed which makes dual magic in legacy horrible.

The problem with eating and drinking in legacy mode compared to eating and drinking in eoc is that legacy has no way to key bind food and drink items, this being because legacy has no ability bar. So I came up with the creative idea option to link a food item to a drink item like: shark + saradomin brew to be consumed in that order without having to click both items manually. Which would save time and cause less interruptions.

Me switching to eoc does not solve any problems for legacy combat.. That is the lazy way around the issue and I prefer to fight for what I enjoy and in the manner that accustoms me.

If legacy combat was fixed then the game would be more complete. I have a hard time believing I am the only person that chooses legacy mode as my primary combat mode, why should people who choose legacy mode over eoc suffer.. So please think of others and the game in a whole before worrying about eoc being outshined by legacy, it will never happen but legacy cannot go neglected. Please fix my combat mode so I can enjoy the game once again.
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02-Dec-2018 14:44:40 - Last edited on 15-Jan-2019 01:10:15 by Jennette

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The concept of legacy is an imaginary concept that doesn't hold water..

It is a official rs3 combat mode and should be equip with the means to defeat all rs3 boss encounters.

You do realize legacy combat already has a eoc ability. (provoke) It is located in the equipment tab while using specific high level shields.


So the other important abilities need to be added in the same way to other top slot items.

Bosses should never be made less challenging, it would ruin the fun and sense of accomplishment when you actually do defeat it.


I already use legacy combat to take on runescapes finest pvm encounters it is a effective combat style in some circumstances, all of which require little defensive abilities and the use of soul split.
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03-Dec-2018 10:55:04 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2018 10:56:34 by Jennette

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No just no, legacy could do kk because of a glitch.

Legacy telos past 100% rage good luck.

Legacy spider at high rage uhh ya its rough if not nearly impossible.

Legacy group bossing in general, good luck finding a team that wishes to carry you.

Legacy lacks diversity because many weapon options are missing. Also legacy lacks defensive abilities which makes it useless for any rolls besides leech dps.

Legacy combat is not a challenge it is a incomplete combat style.


Fix legacy save the world.

You don't have to give everyone who plays legacy combat eoc abilities and more weapon options. Give them to me only, I will then show you all what legacy combat is capable of!
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03-Dec-2018 12:22:51 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2018 12:28:37 by Jennette

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Yes the problems legacy has with basic pvm would go away magicly if I switched to eoc…

Wonderful logic.. Guys I asked nicely not to be bombarded with bad posts just because you despise legacy mode or just don't care, so please be helpful not bothersome.


I really want this changed to make runescape a better game. It might bring in some osrs people. It might bring back players who just plain quit because combat wasn't how it should be. Once corrected some of you may even prefer legacy combat over manual and revolution.

So please read and try to understand my reasons for wanting to make legacy mode a complete combat mode.
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04-Dec-2018 09:35:17

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I don't dislike eoc really.. I used it from 2013-2017. I've killed every boss except solak and aod.

What I dislike is being forced to play the way I don't want to play anymore.

I've grown tired of ability bars, I played with manual combat, I know all about revolution and it isn't something I want to use.

I don't want eoc 0.5, I want legacy 2.0. Legacy combat that is equip with every requirement for eoc bossing content.

Because even with legacy combat limiting me, I am a decent pvmer. To even the playing field would bring me to new heights, Who knows I might even be able to host & tank raid bosses again.

Legacy is rs3 not rs2 Stop holding us back..


I have t92 khopeshs augmented with precise 5 and aftershock 3 and a t75 weapon can easily out dps them... Dual wield for legacy has some serious issues.. But you guys don't care, you have your robot ability bars and scaled up damage..

However my zgs is amazing, the special attack damaging as well as increasing my base damage, Its great. Then we have range and magic combat styles... Nothing special is the least I can say.. Well.. The hexhunter bow is pretty awesome even though it is a tier 80 bow it has "fastest" attack speed and increased damage done to magic enemys.
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05-Dec-2018 09:46:26 - Last edited on 05-Dec-2018 10:10:49 by Jennette

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How can you say legacy has no issues? They are obvious problems that keep people from using legacy combat for everything because it is a incomplete combat style for the rs3 game.


I do not need help using eoc I can do it just fine thank you, I would really like to see some changes to legacy however since it is my preferred combat style, Support would be nice.

No matter how you slice it, legacy has less clutter on the interface, no ability bars. I use it for treasure trails for this reason.

You cannot do every boss with legacy combat and it is totally a bad idea to do anything harder than vind gwd2 using legacy combat because of the lack of abilities and no energy bar regeneration. You will be stunned/binded/bled and you have no movement abilities. Also shields are useless since they only have the provoke ability and lack other defensive abilities.
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18-Dec-2018 05:34:38 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2018 05:35:54 by Jennette

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I love eoc…. That's why I didn't dedicate myself to osrs. I'm not trying to make legacy combat into something I hate, I'm trying to get it made into something everyone will enjoy better than the current version.

Runescape was never intended to change so much over the years but things evolve over time, legacy is ready to be modified.


Legacy combat will not be changed with these changes really? It will be more complete but nothing will be ruined for anyone..

It is not complex mechanics that are being added though? Simple right click the equipment slot item to activate abilities like the ones that already exist for legacy combat but complete.

More weapon choices for legacy? if anything all of my changes would better the game and make it more a whole than separated and broken.


I probably don't have support because people don't read and understand my words, Yes I was always a manual combat user but now revolution took over pretty much and I've grown to love the legacy combat mode. I know all the issues legacy faces in combat because I do a lot of it in legacy mode and I have past experience killing all of the older bosses with eoc.


Yes why am I being crippled for choosing a third option? #1 manual #2 revolution #3 legacy. So make them the same already please, I do miss surge and escape but for no clutter it is a price gladly paid. Master clues are tough but that only adds to the excitement of doing a master clue scroll it isn't too challenging if you have a t90-t92 weapon.

I explained how right click abilities would work I think? They would be split up in different equipment slots not all piled into the shield slot.


Boots=movement, gloves=stunning, body=healing and ultimate def/hp, weapons=aoe

Shields would have like... 5 abilities I think? not overwhelming.


Kk was released before legacy and cannot be done without a glitch, vind is the best boss for legacy and released after legacy. Legacy just needs to be finished, better than removal. so please support.
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20-Dec-2018 19:49:27

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Because you say so? It is not like fixing legacy will make anything worse off???

I think legacy 2.0 will be something that many people will enjoy, Please fix our combat style Jagex.
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24-Dec-2018 06:21:50

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Momentum was really really bad... It was eoc auto attacks with some random auto abilities thrown in there.

Legacy is scaled up auto attacks with the provoke ability in the shield slot while wearing high level shields and 100% special bar that doesn't regenerate very quickly at all..

I am not asking for easy scape by any means... I want to see a more complete legacy mode in a more complete runescape.

Yes hardmode zily prevents legacy combat users from killing it since you need to finish it off with a ultimate, this should be changed so special attacks can kill it as well or give legacy combat ult abilities in the equipment slot. These will be available while wielding certain high level weapons.

I'm not asking for click and wait lol, I wrote my intentions many times in this thread, I am asking for more inputs for legacy combat and more content that focus's mainly on legacy mode.


How come when something isn't right with legacy combat people always suggest to switch combat styles?

Legacy needs to be modernized it will be good for everyone just let it happen..
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30-Dec-2018 12:29:43 - Last edited on 01-Jan-2019 13:49:03 by Jennette

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Fixing legacy mode will bring people back. Many have said that they would play rs3 more (including myself) if legacy was improved to be more compatible with eoc.

Everything I want from this thread is for legacy combat to be more complete so legacy combat users can enjoy the game more.
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08-Jan-2019 03:52:13 - Last edited on 08-Jan-2019 03:54:14 by Jennette

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If you say it is perfectly fine then you don't know anything about legacy combat mode.

People that do not like the eoc interface will enjoy my suggested improvements.

I have the same problems with legacy combat as everyone else, it is incomplete, missing defensive abilities and offensive abilities, these can be added without making legacy combat overly complicated. By adding them in the same way that legacy has the provoke ability.

Fixing legacy combat would make the game better so I'm sure people would take interest.

Legacy being patched could and might happen... Its not like the game doesn't need it.

Only negative people want to remove legacy combat.
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20-Jan-2019 04:42:21

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After these changes legacy mode will be pretty much the same? You will just gain more options to defend yourself or inflict damage/effects on your enemy. These abilities will be activated from the equipment tab by right clicking and selecting an ability. If you like not using abilities then don't buy the gear that contains them or just don't use them.

Even on eoc adding food to the quick bar is an option, you can choose to play by clicking one food/drink at a time manually but it is more efficient when fighting tough bosses to use the quick bar, so legacy combat could use some kind of food/drink quick consume option (at least linking food with sara brews).

I like rs3 and I like legacy combat mode, save legacy combat save the world.

I have t92 augmented khopesh's with good perks that are absolutely horrific because legacy dual wield damage is lame. I spent good money on them and they are pretty much useless which is sad.
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21-Jan-2019 03:50:45 - Last edited on 21-Jan-2019 03:53:20 by Jennette

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Legacy and eoc are supposed to be compatible and they are but the eoc side is the reason why dual wield weapons in legacy is bad, main and offhand weapons are separate but when using eoc abilities it combines and scales up the damage, legacy does not do that, instead there is two separate low damage hits.
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21-Jan-2019 06:06:09 - Last edited on 21-Jan-2019 06:07:59 by Jennette

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I'm not asking for a easy way to kill bosses.. legacy combat is not easier than revolution?

I'm asking for legacy abilities same as the manual and revolution combat styles.

I'm asking for more weapon choices for legacy combat, Fast 2h mele and magic weapons, more special weapons, weapon specific passive effects and updated current special weapons.
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23-Jan-2019 03:27:14

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Check the date on that post.. lol It is from before the release of legacy combat mode.


Five years later and here we are.. with something cool but not perfect because for some reason they didn't add the rest of the abilities, only provoke.

They had more then enough time to decide if they want to do something with it or not.


Most rather have it deleted from the game, but why when it has so much potential?


Runescape will always be incomplete but with a few updates in the right places combat could be pretty close to perfect.
Examples: Give manual and revolution legacy auto attack strength, Fix dual wield damage output, Give legacy the rest of the abilities, Create fast/fastest magic staves and 2h mele weapons, Rebalance old weapons and gear to fit better with current stuff.
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28-Jan-2019 06:04:17

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Yes I think improving legacy mode by giving it the means to do all high level pvm would definitely tempt people to try out all the bosses on rs3, Most osrs players have rs3 stats but do not like the combat in rs3. Legacy 2.0 might be what a lot of these osrs people want.

I tried osrs and somewhat enjoy it but rs3 is just by far more extensive but combat modes are not really balanced, legacy being the odd one out, so legacy should totally get some more abilities and some fixes.

Yes being limited by the game for choosing an alternative combat mode is annoying, I try to work past my limitations by still doing high level pvm. Sometimes legacy kills are possible at some bosses but not recommended like nex for example when she uses ice prison you really have no options, also on the smoke phase when she drags you, you are pretty helpless defensively in legacy combat mode.
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29-Jan-2019 09:47:52

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What did people do pre eoc when nex ice prisoned them in a solo? dying is not an option but I feel like it is the answer..

Keeping things going the way they are now is a sure way to doom the game, modifying an existing combat mode to be compatible with all combat content is not an update that would drive people away..

Legacy abilities would not be easier to use than eoc abilities? auto attacks could be made the same in all three combat modes, then legacy would mainly be an interface choice that requires more manual inputs than revolution and manual modes, we could call it super manual combat instead of legacy, but legacy combat mode will still be pretty much the same.

98% of bosses are not legacy compatible that is an ugly lie, If anyone did yaka in legacy mode I assume their role was leach dps. It was probably a first timer that was told to use legacy so they couldn't mess up the kill by using stuns at the wrong time.

Eoc boss mechanics legacy cant handle:
KK stuns and kills you as well as using strong bleeds, badger gwd2 bleeds that cannot be cured with numbing roots, nex ice prison stuns then damages you, glorious/frostborn demon mob boss stuns, greg does tons of damage that cannot be defended against in legacy, Spider boss webs and heavily damages which cannot be defended against in legacy, hard mode sara gwd1 boss cannot be killed in legacy, hard mode arma gwd1 boss deal heavy damage that cannot be defended against in legacy, telos has multiple mechanics legacy users cannot handle, aod I never tried but I bet it isn't possible, solak I didn't try because again it is probably impossible.

Well that covers most of the pvm encounters, interesting enough even the giant mole hard mode has mechanics that could prove annoying for legacy users.

We simply have no means of defending ourselves.
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30-Jan-2019 03:17:21 - Last edited on 30-Jan-2019 03:20:22 by Jennette

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I know balancing the three main combat modes is a good choice, It will be a step in the right direction that will have positive effects on the game as a whole.

Previously junk gear like unneeded armors and weapons could be given niche uses in the legacy combat mode, by making them required to use certain abilities, like the t90 barrows shield being the exclusive provoke ability shield for legacy mode. (this already exists)

Then suddenly shields will be valuable again since you cant use your wooden shield anymore, at least while using legacy mode.

On a side note I forgot to mention vorago in "the bosses that legacy cant handle" list, I think it is possible but I am not entirely sure.

Hi osrs person, I knew eventually one of you guys would post, yes the game has changed a lot, but that only means there is so much more content for you to try out, mini games and the pvp scene is two of osrs's best points. Rs3 has better quests and pvm content in my opinion also if you are a fan of the newer graphics then there is that.


Hopefully legacy mode will be made up to par with manual and revolution modes so everyone can enjoy rs3 equally. It could probably be called rs4 afterwards, super legacy mode would be that epic.
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31-Jan-2019 10:36:58 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2019 10:46:38 by Jennette

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No and no thank you, Legacy wouldn't be outdated If these fixes were made so I wouldn't be trying to encourage people to use an outdated system because it would not be outdated anymore would it?

Making bosses easier for legacy is not what legacy and eoc users want, we want equality. Enough of this injustice. Give me legacy abilities or give me a perma ban.

I will not change my stance on this argument.
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03-Feb-2019 14:17:03 - Last edited on 03-Feb-2019 14:18:39 by Jennette

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Yes I agree dual weapons are a problem in legacy combat mode, They are too weak, an option to make them a one item set would be cool, This could be done by using the mainhand weapon with the offhand?

The option could be reversed at any time by right clicking an selecting to separate, it would only work on sets.

This will help save space if you are using a dual set as a switch in eoc and legacy both.

Then hopefully damage would scale up similar to in eoc when using abilities, so dual weapons are no longer junk in legacy.
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05-Feb-2019 01:19:43 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2019 01:23:27 by Jennette

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I had t92 khopeshs, sold them because it did not only appear to be weak it was weak. Legacy mode turned my top tier weapons with the best perks into expensive junk.

Legacy is not simple combat, you are in the same place as you would be while using eoc but you have less to work with. This is what needs to be changed, we need all the content eoc has because what is eoc anyways? Evolution of combat, Legacy is eoc, We need to evolve with the rest of the game, because like it or not we already have.

Legacy users can still ask for the combat style they prefer which may be using primarily auto attacks, but in boss fights ability usage is almost required in all cases.


If I was to describe legacy combat I would use the word simplistic, because it appears to be simple. Point, click, auto attack, click some more. The word simplistic could be used for revolution users also.

If legacy had abilities however, then it would be more like manual combat, with auto attacks as basic abilities. Which is a little easier than manual I guess because their auto attacks do not give as much adren gains. Well as of now legacy has a special bar and no adren, so maybe that wouldn't be a issue or the whole special bar will need to be switched with adren? Or the special bar should be added to other eoc combat modes so legacy can get adren regeneration?


We need to even out the three combat modes so that they are no longer so different and then it will be purely an interface preference that makes you decide between one or the other. All three are eoc combat modes, it is time they were treated as such.
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05-Feb-2019 22:10:52

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I play less runescape all the time, because this thing you jagex people call rs3 combat is rigged, essentially broken and incomplete.


Do what is best for your game. Make combat universal, fix legacy mode.


I know I would play more rs if you did make these changes, I am sure others would take notice as well.
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09-Feb-2019 12:43:10

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There is only rs3, legacy is a combat mode nothing more.. Update it and even some things out between all three combat modes. That should be plenty and it wont take away from anything..
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