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Louiellen

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The0nlyDowny said:

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i don't think its correct to categorise people as it can be seen as a modern form of racism the very thing that many have stated they disliked throughout the forum.


I have to correct you on that, as troublemakers who got banned are not a "race", so your argument about racism against them is invalid. They got banned, hence the evidence against them is beyond doubt, hence there is no reason preventing people here to look down on them.

Jagex will never implement the idea, as such scum servers will place them in a legal hot seat.

If there are no rules on that server, that means all conversations there may and even can dramatically shift towards illegal transactions in the real world. Any type of chat system needs regulations, yes even in social media there is room for correcting troublesome situation with a reporting system.

Scum servers will carry with it lawlessness, it already harbors all the bad elements of the game such as banned players, but also can be attractive for "not so good people" to use it as the chatting system, being unregulated.

20-Mar-2019 16:51:36

FiFiLaBumble
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Aslon Dak said:
With all the added "scum servers", this would evolve into its own game: ScumScape

I think this would be a tough sell for the Jagex advertising department. "Are you scum? Do you like to cheat and steal your way to the top? Do you feel rules are meant to be broken? Does the free expression of racial, gender, and religious bigotry make you smile? Then make your account, get it banned, and join the new online sensation: ScumScape!

Yeah, that would have a serious image problem, for one thing. Not to mention the several other reasons already mentioned in this thread that make this a really bad idea.




ScumScape
This totally cracked me up. Love it.

Also enjoyed the "ScumFest" post by Louiellen.

I'm glad the idea is having jokes made about it because the idea itself is, of course, entirely laughable.

I have to say, though, as troll threads go .... it really is a rather good effort. Got to take my hat off to the OP in this instance for coming up with such an outrageous suggestion and reeling people in.
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20-Mar-2019 17:04:09

The0nlyDowny
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FiFiLaBumble said:
Aslon Dak said:
With all the added "scum servers", this would evolve into its own game: ScumScape

I think this would be a tough sell for the Jagex advertising department. "Are you scum? Do you like to cheat and steal your way to the top? Do you feel rules are meant to be broken? Does the free expression of racial, gender, and religious bigotry make you smile? Then make your account, get it banned, and join the new online sensation: ScumScape!

Yeah, that would have a serious image problem, for one thing. Not to mention the several other reasons already mentioned in this thread that make this a really bad idea.




ScumScape
This totally cracked me up. Love it.

Also enjoyed the "ScumFest" post by Louiellen.

I'm glad the idea is having jokes made about it because the idea itself is, of course, entirely laughable.

I have to say, though, as troll threads go .... it really is a rather good effort. Got to take my hat off to the OP in this instance for coming up with such an outrageous suggestion and reeling people in.


Even I have to admit what a brilliant post that was even cracked me up tbh anymore questions or discussions anyone wants to have regarding the op I'm happy to discuss as it's been an enjoyable discussion on the subject to get more of an understanding and feel on personal views.

Cheers for the effort people have put into posting its been very enjoyable debating and discussing the topic and I look forward to many more constructive comments.

20-Mar-2019 20:52:40

Aslon Dak

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Glad to know people are liking the "ScumScape" remark, even though the idea itself is not so good. :)

I would also like to take a moment to commend TheOnlyDowny for staying classy on this thread, instead of taking the easy way out and flaming everyone who has posted their disapproval for this bad idea, myself included. I do not support botting or other forms of cheating, but here on the forums at least, I am finding it easy enough to disagree agreeably with the OP, despite the fact I remain firmly against banned accounts being rewarded in any way.

22-Mar-2019 01:34:23

Aslon Dak

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The0nlyDowny said:
As i wrote:
" Im also genuinely interested to know what you think about second account users on runescape are they considered "scum" also?"

what i meant by this is that there are thousands of players that get banned and come back on new accounts to play legitimately i wanted to know the opinion of people whether these people are still considered scum?


Ah, ok. I see what you mean now.

I have quite a few friends who play RS. Some of them I knew in real life before we started playing this game. Other friends I have made through RS. Even though we've never met in person, and probably never will, I still consider them friends. If any of them were to tell me they used to bot, or got banned for some other reason, I'd be disappointed in them, but I wouldn't stop being friends with them. If they told me they were still botting, I'd tell them to stop, and if they refused, I'd report them. Then they'd probably not want to be my friend anymore. Sure I'd be disappointed in them, but maybe the friendship could be saved, at least I'd like to think so. Once trust is gone, it's not easy or quick to regain it.

Happily, I have not had to deal with that particular problem. However, I do recall an incident many years ago, while I was mining north of Al-Kharid. This was back when rocks depleted, so usually while waiting for rocks to replenish, I'd just kill scorpions. However, this time there was a guy there who started talking to me, so we had a conversation as we mined. Eventually, he admitted he was on a new account because his main was banned for botting. He said he wanted to play legit, so he started over. We finished our talk, and our mining, then went our separate ways. I never heard from him again. Maybe he stayed legit, or went back to botting and got banned again. I don't know.

I feel banned accounts should stay banned, but I see nothing wrong with starting over to play legit. They can be reformed scum. :p

22-Mar-2019 03:12:17

Aslon Dak

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As I was running out of room on my previous post, I felt the need to expand on my last comment regarding "reformed scum".

As I said before, banned accounts should stay banned. That is the price to pay for getting banned. However, I don't have a problem with someone who was banned for botting being given the chance to redeem themselves by starting over fresh and playing legit on a new account. If they truly learned their lesson and do not break the rules on their new account, that's fine. They are now "ex-scum" or "reformed scum", whatever you like. So long as they stay legit, good for them.

I'd be less forgiving of the scum banned for scamming, hijacking, or serious language infractions, including racial/gender/religious slurs or real-life threats/stalking. Those guilty of such despicable acts aren't as likely to be redeemed as players simply by starting over on a new account. This scum remains scum, no matter what name they use. The game is better off without them.

Sure, ideally each case would be judged on its merit. Some scum is worse than other scum. I'd rather see the full extent of Jagex's wrath, as well as real-world prosecution, leveled against someone who hacked another player, stole their items, converted them into gold, and sold the gold for real world money, while threatening them if they report the theft than someone who just wanted 99 Woodcutting. Both should be banned, but that hardly makes them equally deserving of a second chance.

22-Mar-2019 04:02:18

The0nlyDowny
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You make a very valid point its been a great reading through your posts i would just like to add to what you have just explained and honestly i am defeated with what you have written because whereas i can see players that bot being reformed i myself wouldn't want to play with the others banned for the offences you previously stated so i completely understand and it blew my mind honestly lol

with that said perhaps something could still be of use which i reckon is morally as equal as what Jagex currently offer.
I mean i was just thinking to myself that someone that has had an account that has been highjacked not once but multiple times that has been botted on should assume the same sort of responsibility as a bot with the various things accessible from Jagex to prevent this in modern runescape

Not to mean they are guilty but assuming Jagex does store information not just linked to your account but addresses ect.

would Jagex monitoring second account users through their IP addresses for a long period of time be able to make assumptions on reformed players and offer the second chances which previously failed.

Im just curious would this actually increase the success of reformed players re-entering Runescape like they previously tried in the past .

I mean this is all hypothetical im aware this wouldn't happen but i would just be interested on the views people would have to share as this may be a more logical view than my OP.

Just to add obviously with some kind of penalty whether it be take your banks wealth to PVP gradually til its cleaned out before you can access anything in game lol would be a pretty funny way to allow players to come back at the profit of legit players.

or kill 10,000 cows daily without being able to pick up hides for 30 days.
or players can attack you anywhere for a month.
or reverse skilling for 30 days compulsory 5 hours constant could be pretty funny instead of just a re-roll they have to work for it
Im sure people have better ones

22-Mar-2019 05:45:13 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2019 05:56:27 by The0nlyDowny

Mod Lee

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I've locked this thread because the discussion has been derailed and in-general is a 'touchy' discussion.

Players who break the rules get their accounts banned. That's it for that. They shouldn't be rewarded with their own server or world. If you want to communicate with your friends or play RuneScape in general, you'd create a new account and not break the rules.

25-Mar-2019 04:44:59

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