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It is the Online Count, not the RS3 Online Count. Jagex never mislead anybody. They don't "advertise" that meaningless counter or put it in their official financial reports neither.

You can't be AFK for hours without getting logged out, unlike accounts in Reddit or other social media. One can also AFK in the games of RS3 and OSRS but they all count as players Online.

If somebody tells you Jagex "advertise" the Online counter in whatever way, the person is the one misleading you rather.

28-Jul-2019 02:58:26

Dilbert2001

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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
It is the Online Count, not the RS3 Online Count. Jagex never mislead anybody. They don't "advertise" that meaningless counter or put it in their official financial reports neither.

You can't be AFK for hours without getting logged out, unlike accounts in Reddit or other social media. One can also AFK in the games of RS3 and OSRS but they all count as players Online.

If somebody tells you Jagex "advertise" the Online counter in whatever way, the person is the one misleading you rather.


If not misleading, it's useless by its very nature. It's not even a good reflection of "Online count" as the total number includes people that have been lobbied. It's not a good reflection of RS3 players, as it includes OSRS players.

Then number is entirely meaningless. And it's plastered everywhere on the runescape site.


The RS3 Lobby is definitely a RS3 game feature. Of course, players in the lobby are ONLINE, no doubt.

Again, the Online indicator is not meant to be RS3 or OSRS. Funorb and RSC used to be counted there too. Jagex never said it is RS3 Online or whatever. It is clearly stated as Online with no reference to RS3 whatsoever. How is it misleading?

That indicator is meaningless in the modern standard. It used to be a legacy feature for ancient game portals/websites but as the modern games all know concurrent players counter is really meaningless they removed theirs. I said it all along Jagex should remove that all the concurrent player counters from their websites and games too as all their peers have done that long ago.

28-Jul-2019 03:42:37

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Durial said:
It is incredibly misleading. Since we are veteran players we already know the frontpage counter is completely useless. The big issue is new players wouldn't. Jagex lies to them by omission. It is NOT in any way obvious to a new player, or even a casual player, that the "Online" number doesn't actually reflect the game for the page that it is on.

Any regular person will come here for the first time and incorrectly think that number reflects the current players. I mean, why shouldn't it? It's only logical to think that.

Jagex knows this. They do it on purpose for marketing reasons. But yes it is very misleading and a lie by omission.


What? They try to show a DECLINING counter for marketing purpose? Either they are stupid or it is a joke. :D:D:D

Realistically, all the other game portals/websites removed their concurrent player counters because modern gamers tend to spend less than one hour online every day on the average, thus making their concurrent players counters shrink and so they removed them.

28-Jul-2019 04:12:18

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Durial said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Durial said:
It is incredibly misleading. Since we are veteran players we already know the frontpage counter is completely useless. The big issue is new players wouldn't. Jagex lies to them by omission. It is NOT in any way obvious to a new player, or even a casual player, that the "Online" number doesn't actually reflect the game for the page that it is on.

Any regular person will come here for the first time and incorrectly think that number reflects the current players. I mean, why shouldn't it? It's only logical to think that.

Jagex knows this. They do it on purpose for marketing reasons. But yes it is very misleading and a lie by omission.


What? They try to show a DECLINING counter for marketing purpose? Either they are stupid or it is a joke. :D:D:D

Realistically, all the other game portals/websites removed their concurrent player counters because modern gamers tend to spend less than one hour online every day on the average, thus making their concurrent players counters shrink and so they removed them.


Jagex does not show a trend, so a prospective player would only see the current, and misleading, population count. So yes, it's for marketing purpose. A large number looks better than a smaller number, I don't know who could argue otherwise.


What is a "large" number? A 150k "playerbase" 6 months ago reduced to 80k now...and that's a "large" number?

Don't forget even 150k "online" is just a tiny number when one visits a streaming site like Douyu and finds half a million users viewing at a lot of different games. :D

28-Jul-2019 04:21:55 - Last edited on 28-Jul-2019 04:22:42 by Dilbert2001

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Southeaster said:
Considering that the main Runescape website links exclusively to RS3 content, I would consider it misleading to include OSRS and website users in the player count.


It is totally untrue.

A quick peek into the
Runescape.com Franchise website
, you can easily find
Game Guide
links to the official RS and OSRS Wiki,
Forums
links to RS3, OSRS (and RSC forums when it was alive),
Shop
links to all kinds of shops that carry Runescape Franchise but not just RS3 goods,
Prepaid Card
links to, again, the Runescape Franchise membership retail cards that cover ALL Runescape Franchise membership, not just RS3.

The Runescape.com Franchise website also has not one, but two explicit links to OSRS.

Last, but not least, the

272,564,352
RuneScape Accounts Created


obviously cover all Runescape accounts created from different Runescape Franchise games, not just RS3.

All kind of indications point to the fact that the numbers, including "Online" refer to numbers of the Runescape Franchise. This is exactly what it was in all the game portals/websites 20 years ago. As I mentioned, all these rather meaningless concurrent player counters crap is just legacy website features in the 1990s. Nowadays, almost every game website except Runescape has evolved and gotten rid of the concurrent player crap. But even Jagex is slow to follow the modern footsteps of video game developers on their antiquated websites, they don't have this concurrent player nonsense on their clients.

28-Jul-2019 16:41:04 - Last edited on 28-Jul-2019 17:11:37 by Dilbert2001

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Blackwing said:
Thunder Jinx said:
It's the front page, so it displays the total amount of players on their platform.
It's easily defensible.

Like Durial said though, new players (or those that have played before but haven't learned the truth of it yet) wouldn't know this, because there's nothing on the RS3 front page indicating this. On the RS3 front page, only RS3 news are displayed and the counter merely says "X online", and on the OSRS front page, only OSRS news are displayed and the counter only says "there are currently X people playing". RS3 front page only has the RS3 logo and no OSRS logo, and OSRS front page has only the OSRS logo and no RS3 logo.

Given all of the above, as an unaware player, how are you supposed to know for 100% certainty from the information from said two web pages alone that the RS3 front page displays both and OSRS front page only OSRS?


There are 2 OSRS links on the Runescape.com already.

Why do people really need to be 100% certain what the meaningless Online counter means?

I see
"16 Active Users Online"
shown on RSOF. Why do people really need to be 100% certain those "16 Active Users Online" are RS3 or OSRS Forum users? :D:D:D

28-Jul-2019 16:54:31

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Kings Abbot said:
Idiotest said:
Obviously the point of the counter is so people can make thousands of threads obsessing over it. #Facts


I think you're on to something...

It's all a ruse to make the forums less dead!


"12 Active Users Online"
shown in the Runescape RSOF website now.

Don't tell me Jagex is advertising this large number of players to attract more players. The claim about the "misleading" player count is a Jagex advertising grimmick obviously doesn't hold even a drop of water. :D

28-Jul-2019 22:39:09

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Quest Log said:
Just have fun playing bud.


Exactly, how many players IRL really care about the Online counters on Jagex's website or the RSOF? How many players actually play with all the players shown in these Jagex "Online" counters?

TBH, the subsequent releases of Jagex's other apps outside their website, including but not limited to, the RS3 and OSRS game clients, Runescape and now the Facebook Companion, RS3 and OSRS Mobile Apps, etc, all show nothing regarding such "Online" counters. This clearly shows these "misleading" and utterly meaningless counters are not in Jagex's modern plans at all, let alone being their marketing grimmack of... hmm... "OMG, look at that huge 21 active users online" counter, our game is the greatest". :D

29-Jul-2019 15:59:59

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xox Lola xox said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Don't worry about these meaningless and "misleading" counters for long though as when Jagex moves their games to the new Platform, they will be smart to get rid of this useless junk. :)


When is that then exactly


They will let you know when it is ready. So far they already told the world they are working on a new platform and have been aggressively staffing up for it lately. :)

29-Jul-2019 17:54:35

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xox Lola xox said:
Dilbert2001 said:
xox Lola xox said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Don't worry about these meaningless and "misleading" counters for long though as when Jagex moves their games to the new Platform, they will be smart to get rid of this useless junk. :)


When is that then exactly


They will let you know when it is ready. So far they already told the world they are working on a new platform and have been aggressively staffing up for it lately. :)


Wheres that then


Told you already when it is ready it will be ready and it is a FYI. No point to drag this topic to another new topic. If you are interested to discuss the new platform please feel free to make a new thread in a relevant forum. :)

29-Jul-2019 18:03:12

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Pluscious said:
Tuffty said:
@xox Lola xox.

If someone posts something that maybe wrong or just not quite right then the best thng to do instead of trolling them is to ignore it and move on. I've no idea if He's right or wrong.

Please stop calling people out as it does cause disruption and posts end up being removed for trolling and flaming.

Removed some more posts.


I think the best thing to do would be to ask a jmod on one of their nee platforms they use as the forum mods don't know as much as dilbert who doesn't work for jagex about jagex plans.


Yes, as I suggested, go ask in the right place... maybe Future Game Update? Maybe somebody have some information from Jmods outside these RSOF.

29-Jul-2019 20:42:16

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Miu said:
Keep it on topic please, this thread is about how the player counter on the runescape website is misleading. It's not about misleading posts.


On that topic, can you please tell us if you think
"20 Active Users Online"
is "misleading" or not... or nobody cares like some forum user opined?

30-Jul-2019 00:17:22

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UrekMazino said:
0ld Nite said:
Why does this matter to you in the first place....
who cares...

Why does it matter to you that OP is asking these questions? If they're curious, let them ask away.
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
Keep it on topic please, this thread is about how the player counter on the runescape website is misleading. It's not about misleading posts.


On that topic, can you please tell us if you think
"20 Active Users Online"
is "misleading" or not... or nobody cares like some forum user opined?

Probably not, you get booted off the site for just closing the tab. And when Jmods rarely even use the forums, you can see why players choose not to as well. The topic is online player count anyways, not online forum users.


Didn't you see what Miu, OP of this thread asked for:

"this thread is about how the player counter
on the runescape website
is misleading."

30-Jul-2019 15:59:00

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UrekMazino said:
Yea, player count, not online forum user count. No need to feign ignorance because OP was not specific, no one else in this thread misunderstood his statement.


If you think so then you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion between me and OP or other players already. Thank for your comment again and bye. :)

31-Jul-2019 18:15:35

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Pluscious said:
Miu said:
Why does jagex use such a misleading number on their site?
It is the grand total of RS3 and OSRS players combined.

But even when you subtract the OSRS players, the player count for RS3 isn't accurate because it includes the number of lobbied players in the number as well! They could have been AFK for hours! The number of RS3 players in actual worlds is significantly smaller than the advertised online player count.

What's the point in having that number at all if it's so vastly misleading?


He is actually correct if you rea the op then this thread has nothing to do with the forum count at all.


Why is the Online count "misleading" when it doesn't show RS3 Online but Active Users Online count is not misleading when it doesn't show RS3 or OSRS Active Users Online?

31-Jul-2019 18:34:24

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Pluscious said:
In fact I feel like that number used to drop to 0 when Jagex updated the game so I don't think it included the things you claim it does at all.


It won't matter what you or me think what. The point and fact remains, this is Jagex's website and as long as they think the counters on their website cover the respective counts of players using all their facilities, but not just a specific one like RS3 or OSRS, they don't need to and logically don't distinguish it.

Note that these counters have been on the Website like forever. Why is any one of them "misleading" all of a sudden now but not like 15 years ago?

31-Jul-2019 18:39:48

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
In fact I feel like that number used to drop to 0 when Jagex updated the game so I don't think it included the things you claim it does at all.


It won't matter what you or me think what. The point and fact remains, this is Jagex's website and as long as they think the counters on their website cover the respective counts of players using all their facilities, but not just a specific one like RS3 or OSRS, they don't need to and logically don't distinguish it.

Note that these counters have been on the Website like forever. Why is any one of them "misleading" all of a sudden now but not like 15 years ago?


But you say that but it used to drop to 0 and you could still be on classic and on the forums so I don't think that is correct.


Again, whether it is correct or not is up to Jagex. The fact remains, Jagex has always been using their website Online counters for ALL their Runescape games for all those 15+ years. They did not change anything overnight.

Did anybody say Mod Osborne confirmed whatever? Why didn't anybody also ask Mod Osborne about the Runescape websites's Online counters and share the response here? :)

31-Jul-2019 18:48:13

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Pluscious said:
Because I came to this thread when you stated tat the problem would be fixed due to the new platform which Jagex have stated isn't a thing, so that proved that incorrect. Not sure what you said it for still or why you are allowed to derail theads with false claims but at least the discussion can now continue on topic rather than with your false claims. Thanks again shauny and osborne


On Page 6, Post 3, I already clearly stated my comment on the Jagex Platform is just a FYI and I suggested any interested users to make a new thread in the right forum about it.

I have no idea why you keep bringig it up as I clearly showed I have no intention to talk about it here, let alone derail this thread with it. Please use FH if you have any question, bye.

31-Jul-2019 18:57:51

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Pluscious said:
Tuffty said:
@xox Lola xox.

If someone posts something that maybe wrong or just not quite right then the best thng to do instead of trolling them is to ignore it and move on.
I've no idea if He's right or wrong.

Please stop calling people out as it does cause disruption and posts end up being removed for trolling and flaming.

Removed some more posts.


Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Tuffty said:
@xox Lola xox.

If someone posts something that maybe wrong or just not quite right then the best thng to do instead of trolling them is to ignore it and move on. I've no idea if He's right or wrong.

Please stop calling people out as it does cause disruption and posts end up being removed for trolling and flaming.

Removed some more posts.


I think the best thing to do would be to ask a jmod on one of their nee platforms they use as the forum mods don't know as much as dilbert who doesn't work for jagex about jagex plans.


Yes, as I suggested, go ask in the right place... maybe Future Game Update? Maybe somebody have some information from Jmods outside these RSOF
.



Pages 5 and 6.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/460085119

Been resolved by Jagex Now we can move along.


Sorry, I have no intention to watch the entire video without any quotes. My last comment regarding this "platform" issue in this thread, bye.

31-Jul-2019 19:04:22

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For us who have been playing Jagex's games and visiting Jagex's website for 15+ years should know these Online and Active Users Online counters have all been used to cover Runecape games, and Funorb too.

There is no misleading thing from Jagex's part then and now. It is just simple. :)

31-Jul-2019 19:13:15

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Pluscious said:
Also your other point regarding it always showing this and that doesn't hold water since the counter used to drop to 0 when the game was updated so I consider that factually incorrect too.


You need to ask the developers for that but those with programming knowledge probably may tell you their server program initializes a lot of variables (typically to 0) when it starts up. This initialization process has also always be the same the last 15+ years.

31-Jul-2019 19:26:36

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Also your other point regarding it always showing this and that doesn't hold water since the counter used to drop to 0 when the game was updated so I consider that factually incorrect too.


You need to ask the developers for that but those with programming knowledge probably may tell you their server program initializes a lot of variables (typically to 0) when it starts up. This initialization process has also always be the same the last 15+ years.


it doesn't go to 0 now, so I don't see how it is the same lol. it shows osrs people still.

Anyway im done talking to you.


I don't program for Jagex but am just showing you the common programming practice of initiation, for reference of course. Bye.

31-Jul-2019 19:33:11

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UrekMazino said:
Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
Yea, player count, not online forum user count. No need to feign ignorance because OP was not specific, no one else in this thread misunderstood his statement.


If you think so then you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion between me and OP or other players already. Thank for your comment again and bye. :)

You're welcome for attempting to bring the thread back on topic, though unsuccessfully.


Don't really know what you mean. Nobody seem to be talking about, or even care about, the antiquated Jagex website counters.

Just let the thread die though as if Jagex really cared about some antiquated website counters, they would have cared 15+ years ago when the Gowers still cared. :D

01-Aug-2019 00:47:17

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I can't help those who failed to realize there are a lot of links to facilities related to not just RS3 but also OSRS like Forums, Wiki, Merch Stores, etc.

I certainly can't help those who don't realize Runescape (or RS3 if they prefer to call it) is the Main Game of the Runescape Franchise which obviously named after it. Thus, there are more coverage of the Main Game on the Runescape website.

Of course, you don't see the Main Game of a Jagex Franchise sitting at the corner of its website. Eminently logical! :)

02-Aug-2019 18:55:51

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Fire Hawk154 said:
They keep that number there to make people think RS3 is still a popular game.


Of course RS3 is still a popular game, so popular that it holds 3 Guinness World Records with one of them reflected by:

"272,712,104
RuneScape Accounts Created"


... shown on their same website.

Of course, they aren't showing a nosediving graph with a loss of 40+% their playebase concurrent players there because it is just meaningless. :)

02-Aug-2019 19:20:44

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Fire Hawk154 said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Fire Hawk154 said:
They keep that number there to make people think RS3 is still a popular game.


Of course RS3 is still a popular game, so popular that it holds 3 Guinness World Records with one of them reflected by:

"272,712,104
RuneScape Accounts Created"


... shown on their same website.

Of course, they aren't showing a nosediving graph with a loss of 40+% their playebase concurrent players there because it is just meaningless. :)


Right, and Aleppo is great city for tourists. You can continue to recycle the same old arguments but accounts created is not a metric to quantify a games popularity, neither are "most original pieces of music" and "most prolifically updated".


Who cares what you think? Consumers care more about Guinness World Records than declining Online counters.

Particularly those who visit the websites are usually veterans who used to see the Online counter at 250k+ regularly a few years ago. Didn't you all see all kinds of "Jagex is dying" threads just because of the declining Online counter?

Obviously Jagex is not advertising their games with the stupid rapidly declining counter. It is just a stupid legacy website feature from 15 years ago. If I were Jagex, I would remove the stupid Online and Active Users Online counters next time when the website developers have competed their current priorities over the official website.

02-Aug-2019 20:00:07

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Wolfblue42 said:
The same reason commericals say only x payments of 19.99 instead of 899 dollars.

To be more appealing.


Your commercials would be 9000 times more effective if it showed your product as a Award Winning Product from a world renowned agency in your product.

That's why I said the "270+ mil accounts created" is intentionally left there for advertising purpose, but hahahaha definitely not the declining Online and Active User Online counters.

02-Aug-2019 20:11:20

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Wolfblue42 said:
I'm not so sure I believe 270m accounts were legit players. If they were not, I find bragging about their bot problem an odd salesmanship method.

I don't expect them to change the number displayed at the top anyways.
The active user counter for the forums themselves has been broken for a few years, which is also misleading but cause of a bug, not intentionally choosing to make it that way.


Nobody said anything about legitimacy when it comes to popularity contests. Guinness World Records is not even a rating agency. It just shows you records but it is the kinds of records that interest general public.

Jagex obviously announced their Guinness World Records to the public like:

https://www.mcvuk.com/runescape-earns-three-more-guinness-world-records/

Have they ever announced their declining Online and Active Users Online counters to the public?

Which number is highly regarded by Jagex and used for advertisement and which ones are not, is pretty obvious. :D

02-Aug-2019 21:05:27

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Wolfblue42 said:
I'm not so sure I believe 270m accounts were legit players. If they were not, I find bragging about their bot problem an odd salesmanship method.

I don't expect them to change the number displayed at the top anyways.
The active user counter for the forums themselves has been broken for a few years, which is also misleading but cause of a bug, not intentionally choosing to make it that way.


Nobody said anything about legitimacy when it comes to popularity contests. Guinness World Records is not even a rating agency. It just shows you records but it is the kinds of records that interest general public.

Jagex obviously announced their Guinness World Records to the public like:

https://www.mcvuk.com/runescape-earns-three-more-guinness-world-records/

Have they ever announced their declining Online and Active Users Online counters to the public?


Which number is highly regarded by Jagex and used for advertisement and which ones are not, is pretty obvious. :D


yes, yes they have


Who? Please show. :D

02-Aug-2019 21:13:03

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Pluscious said:
mod mmg,the gowers, the rs documentary. loads of times, always on about it.


LOL!!! Please show where first, and don't forget I have been talking about the Online counters are just legacy website features and the Gowers and MMG were also Runescape Legacy for many years.

Also don't forget documentaries are not PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS and definitely not for advertisements or popularity contests. They talked about riots and bugs in documentaries too. Are they advertisements or something popular? :D

02-Aug-2019 21:18:24 - Last edited on 02-Aug-2019 21:19:42 by Dilbert2001

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Pluscious said:
https://youtu.be/ChbztCTddK0

https://youtu.be/7RNK0YBdwko


Thank you for showing links to hours long videos or articles without any comments. However, as usual, there is nothing to discuss unless you really want to tell us what you want to discuss and give us the quoting and time where it happened... or it is just some more things to ignore. :D

02-Aug-2019 21:39:38

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Draco Burnz said:
Niyah said:
Niyah said:
Why doesn't the Old School Player Counter also include RuneScape 3 players?


Why should it?


OSRS doesn't even show links back to the main Runescape website or subreddits. Shrug! Perhaps they are just too afraid their players will go play RS3?

Anyway, the fact that from the Runescape Website you can get to OSRS's homepage and other related sites shows Jagex has make it clear the website and counters are not just for RS3 although RS3 is the Main Game. Like other game developers with multiple games, Runescape's website links to OSRS but unlike other game developers OSRS doesn't link back to the main Runescape site. Strange? :D

02-Aug-2019 22:01:50

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Fire Hawk154 said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Fire Hawk154 said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Fire Hawk154 said:
They keep that number there to make people think RS3 is still a popular game.


Of course RS3 is still a popular game, so popular that it holds 3 Guinness World Records with one of them reflected by:

"272,712,104
RuneScape Accounts Created"


... shown on their same website.

Of course, they aren't showing a nosediving graph with a loss of 40+% their playebase concurrent players there because it is just meaningless. :)


Right, and Aleppo is great city for tourists. You can continue to recycle the same old arguments but accounts created is not a metric to quantify a games popularity, neither are "most original pieces of music" and "most prolifically updated".


Who cares what you think? Consumers care more about Guinness World Records than declining Online counters.

'Who cares what you think?' is pretty much a 'your mama' and shows you've lost the argument and I suggest you stop your baiting attempts as well. You have not given any specific reasoning as to why these GWR show how popular RS3 is. The players online feature is obviously making RS3 appear more popular than it is, and should be changed to reflect the actual online RS3 players. Otherwise it can be seen as false advertising.


Again, who care what you think about Guinness World Records? Who care when Jagex is not even publicly announcing online counters. They are not advertising it at all. They are not advertising their nosediving counters like OSRS "playerbase" for the very obvious reason because there is no Guiness World Record for the fastest declining "playerbase".

Jagex is also not going to false advertise concurrent players as "actual online OSRS players". :D:D:D

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Fire Hawk154 said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Again, who care what you think about Guinness World Records? Who care when Jagex is not even publicly announcing online counters. They are not advertising it at all. They are not advertising their nosediving counters like OSRS "playerbase" for the very obvious reason because there is no Guiness World Record for the fastest declining "playerbase".

Jagex is also not going to false advertise concurrent players as "actual online OSRS players". :D:D:D


I didn't post my opinion about GWR, I gave a solid argument as to why they're not relevant when it comes to RS3's popularity. So far you've been trying to distract from that instead of bringing up any counter arguments.

And yes, Jagex does advertise with the GWR;
*based on RuneScape recognised by Guinness World Records as the most popular free MMORPG
Which is a rather false claim which new players would realize if Jagex only showed the actual RS3 playercount on the RS3 webpage. 14K players online is hardly a popular game in this day and age.
I'm not sure why you're trying to distract with the OSRS claims, but OSRS still has 33% more players online than before the mobile release, and 4x as many players online than RS3.


What new players or old players have to do with Guinness World Records? The GWR are for the general public, not specific to Jagex's games and players, let alone new players. Mentioning RS3's GWR certainly is an efforts to make loud advertising voice to the
GENERAL PUBLIC
, or advertising to them.

So what again with the OSRS claim. The Online counter has been declining for years, especially lately due to the troublesome nosediving act by OSRS alone. Of course Jagex is not advertising it or else some people will come to the forums and cry "Jagex is dying".

03-Aug-2019 17:00:02

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UrekMazino said:
Dilbert2001 said:
I can't help those who failed to realize there are a lot of links to facilities related to not just RS3 but also OSRS like Forums, Wiki, Merch Stores, etc.

I certainly can't help those who don't realize Runescape (or RS3 if they prefer to call it) is the Main Game of the Runescape Franchise which obviously named after it. Thus, there are more coverage of the Main Game on the Runescape website.

Of course, you don't see the Main Game of a Jagex Franchise sitting at the corner of its website. Eminently logical! :)

Forums and merch store are the same for both games? Says a lot that you need to list those to back your claim "there are a lot of links to facilities related to not just RS3 but also OSRS".

Bow freaking wow, 3 whole links out of a couple dozen on the main page, that really is "a lot".


I said Jagex have LINKS to OSRS and other facilities shared by RS3 and OSRS (and RSC too when it was still relevant), not the Forums etc are the same.

You can easily see that OSRS doesn't have any LINKS back to RS3, not even from the 2007scape subreddit back to the Runescape subreddit. If there were no OSRS links from the official Runescape webpage or their Reddit page to OSRS Jagex and Reddit pages then and only then we can say the Runescape homepage is just for RS3 but not OSRS, and one might even think RS3 is too afraid to even link to OSRS but obviously it is utterly not the case. :D:D:D

03-Aug-2019 17:04:44

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Pluscious said:
Draco Burnz said:
scousy said:
Rs3 definitely has more then 14k active players. It's probably around 250-300k if you ignore alts. osrs is probably around 900k+ active normal players.



Cant tell if troll or serious...


Sounds about right, being generous.


Ironically, none of these made-up "14k", "250-300k" or "900k+" players can be seen anywhere from the website Online and Active Users Online counters. Obviously, none of these bogus numbers are being "false advertised" by Jagex. Amen to the false adverstisment nonsense. :D:D:D

The real fact is Jagex has officially publicly revealed 1.08 million members and only 8 million active players. Obviously, none of these numbers are shown anywhere on their meaningless and useless website counters. :)

03-Aug-2019 20:46:20

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Draco Burnz said:
scousy said:
Rs3 definitely has more then 14k active players. It's probably around 250-300k if you ignore alts. osrs is probably around 900k+ active normal players.



Cant tell if troll or serious...


Sounds about right, being generous.


Ironically, none of these made-up "14k", "250-300k" or "900k+" players can be seen anywhere from the website Online and Active Users Online counters. Obviously, none of these bogus numbers are being "false advertised" by Jagex. Amen to the false adverstisment nonsense. :D:D:D

The real fact is Jagex has officially publicly revealed 1.08 million members and only 8 million active players. Obviously, none of these numbers are shown anywhere on their meaningless and useless website counters. :)


They also have hiscores which shows how many players there actually are in each game, and how much people are actually playing.


Did Jagex advertise or claim Guiness World Records on their hiscores? Did Jagex put their Hiscores in their financial reports?

And which Hiscores are you talking about? There are many of them and which one or all of them are "misleading"? :D:D:D

03-Aug-2019 21:07:53

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Draco Burnz said:
scousy said:
Rs3 definitely has more then 14k active players. It's probably around 250-300k if you ignore alts. osrs is probably around 900k+ active normal players.







Ironically, none of these made-up "14k", "250-300k" or "900k+" players can be seen anywhere from the website Online and Active Users Online counters. Obviously, none of these bogus numbers are being "false advertised" by Jagex. Amen to the false adverstisment nonsense. :D:D:D

The real fact is Jagex has officially publicly revealed 1.08 million members and only 8 million active players. Obviously, none of these numbers are shown anywhere on their meaningless and useless website counters. :)


They also have hiscores which shows how many players there actually are in each game, and how much people are actually playing.


Did Jagex advertise or claim Guiness World Records on their hiscores? Did Jagex put their Hiscores in their financial reports?

And which Hiscores are you talking about? There are many of them and which one or all of them are "misleading"? :D:D:D


All of them aren't misleading because they show anyone who logged in in the last ages, they also show members and free to play, they also show things like 133k people are 99 dung, a lot of them obviously being non members, but by the time you get to like lvl 66 you are on like rank 375k odd, and since there is an event where you get more levels than that in a day, there really aren't many people actually playing.


Did they show you how many of them are still playing the game?
Did they show you how many members from OSRS Hiscores?

03-Aug-2019 21:38:36 - Last edited on 03-Aug-2019 21:41:22 by Dilbert2001

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Pluscious said:
If you read the post I am answering and the post you quoted we covered that.


Not at all. You certainly can't tell us, nobody can, from the OSRS Hiscores how many of them are members? So is OSRS Hiscores misleading or Jagex is false advertising OSRS with Hiscores?

03-Aug-2019 21:47:04

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
If you read the post I am answering and the post you quoted we covered that.


Not at all. You certainly can't tell us, nobody can, from the OSRS Hiscores how many of them are members? So is OSRS Hiscores misleading or Jagex is false advertising OSRS with Hiscores?


Pretty sure there is a members badge next to their name dilbert

The post is discussing active runescape 3 players dilbert.


Sorry this thread is discussing "misleading" player count, not just active Runescape 3 players.

Note that there is no member barge next to their names in OSRS Hiscores. Is it misleading? Is Jagex trying to false advertise OSRS by fooling the consumers to believe eveybody on the OSRS Hiscores are active members?

I don't think so because Jagex never said all of the names on Hiscores are active members, but using the same logics the people complaining about the "misleading" Online cont, Jagex is equally "misleading" with their Hiscores, especially the OSRS Hiscores.

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
If you read the post I am answering and the post you quoted we covered that.


Not at all. You certainly can't tell us, nobody can, from the OSRS Hiscores how many of them are members? So is OSRS Hiscores misleading or Jagex is false advertising OSRS with Hiscores?


Pretty sure there is a members badge next to their name dilbert

The post is discussing active runescape 3 players dilbert.


Sorry this thread is discussing "misleading" player count, not just active Runescape 3 players.

Note that there is no member barge next to their names in OSRS Hiscores. Is it misleading? Is Jagex trying to false advertise OSRS by fooling the consumers to believe eveybody on the OSRS Hiscores are active members?

I don't think so but using the same logics the people complaining about the "misleading" Online cont, Jagex is equally "misleading" with their Hiscores, especially the OSRS Hiscores.


Then why are you not discussing that dilbert?


Why should we be discussing that(Hiscores, I suppose)?

If Jagex takes the Hiscores data to Guinness World Record or publicly announces the Hiscores names as their active members then they are misleading or even false advertising. However, they aren't doing that.

Likewise, Jagex is not announcing publicly or advertising the games with the website Online counters, they aren't misleading anybody at all.

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
If you read the post I am answering and the post you quoted we covered that.


Not at all. You certainly can't tell us, nobody can, from the OSRS Hiscores how many of them are members? So is OSRS Hiscores misleading or Jagex is false advertising OSRS with Hiscores?


Pretty sure there is a members badge next to their name dilbert

The post is discussing active runescape 3 players dilbert.


Sorry this thread is discussing "misleading" player count, not just active Runescape 3 players.

Note that there is no member barge next to their names in OSRS Hiscores. Is it misleading? Is Jagex trying to false advertise OSRS by fooling the consumers to believe eveybody on the OSRS Hiscores are active members?

I don't think so but using the same logics the people complaining about the "misleading" Online cont, Jagex is equally "misleading" with their Hiscores, especially the OSRS Hiscores.


Then why are you not discussing that dilbert?


Why should we be discussing that(Hiscores, I suppose)?

If Jagex takes the Hiscores data to Guinness World Record or publicly announces the Hiscores names as their active members then they are misleading or even false advertising. However, they aren't doing that.

Likewise, Jagex is not announcing publicly or advertising the games with the website Online counters, they aren't misleading anybody at all.


How would that be false advertising dilbert


Nope. I said clearly Jagex is not false adversting with their Online Counters and Hiscores.

03-Aug-2019 22:05:38

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Including inactive and/or non-member players in their public announcements or advertisement of active members is definitely misleading and can be false advertising. But Jagex is not doing it.

Jagex doesn't say all members in OSRS Hiscores are members, therefore they are not misleading anybody in any advertisement although RS3 Hiscores show members.

Likewise, Jagex is no misleading anybody in any advertisement the Online (concurrent users) counter is specific for whatever game.

Enough said.

03-Aug-2019 22:21:38

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Including inactive and/or non-member players in their public announcements or advertisement of active members is definitely misleading and can be false advertising. But Jagex is not doing it.

Jagex doesn't say all members in OSRS Hiscores are members, therefore they are not misleading anybody in any advertisement although RS3 Hiscores show members.

Likewise, Jagex is no misleading anybody in any advertisement the Online (concurrent users) counter is specific for whatever game.

Enough said.


Which relates to what I am discussing and the online player counter how?


Already clearly showed you Jagex has not been advertising the Online counter. Anybody who think by not explicitly telling us the Online count is not only specific to RS3 players, Jagex is misleading us, should also be think the OSRS Hiscores is misleading because Jagex does not tell us they are not all active members.

Enough going in circle with that. If you still don't understand I will just ignore you.

Or if anybody insist, I can send the request to tipoff@jagex.com and have somebody from Jagex to take good care of the "misleading" things in their website. :)

03-Aug-2019 22:37:37

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Pluscious said:
Draco Burnz said:
scousy said:
Rs3 definitely has more then 14k active players. It's probably around 250-300k if you ignore alts. osrs is probably around 900k+ active normal players.



Cant tell if troll or serious...


dilbert, draco questioned that there are...


more then 14k active players. It's probably around 250-300k if you ignore alts.


have you said anything relating to the point I am discussing to me at all?


Of course I clearly replied to it with Post 8 on Page 12 already:

"Ironically, none of these made-up "14k", "250-300k" or "900k+" players can be seen anywhere from the website Online and Active Users Online counters. Obviously, none of these bogus numbers are being "false advertised" by Jagex. Amen to the false adverstisment nonsense. :D:D:D"


All these bogus numbers are not shown in the website, and therefore mean nothing to this discusison.

03-Aug-2019 22:43:25

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Draco Burnz said:
scousy said:
Rs3 definitely has more then 14k active players. It's probably around 250-300k if you ignore alts. osrs is probably around 900k+ active normal players.



Cant tell if troll or serious...


dilbert, draco questioned that there are...


more then 14k active players. It's probably around 250-300k if you ignore alts.


have you said anything relating to the point I am discussing to me at all?


Of course I clearly replied to it with Post 8 on Page 12 already:

"Ironically, none of these made-up "14k", "250-300k" or "900k+" players can be seen anywhere from the website Online and Active Users Online counters. Obviously, none of these bogus numbers are being "false advertised" by Jagex. Amen to the false adverstisment nonsense. :D:D:D"


All these bogus numbers are not shown in the website, and therefore mean nothing to this discusison.


And the fact remains that you can log in to free to play with lvl 1 dungeoneering, using 0 gold coins and speaking with not one npc, and stand in a hole and be in the top 333k dungeoneers in rs hiscores in a day, knowing how many people are already 200m dungeoneering, which means there are probably about 200 - 350k active players, but scouse stated ignoring alts, however I wouldn't exclude alts from that figure actually which is why I said that was being generous.

Not sure what that has to do with the gwr or false advertising or what you think you are saying that is relevant to this discussion.


Sorry. Your comment is totally off topic. My last comment to it.

03-Aug-2019 23:01:52

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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
"Ironically, none of these made-up "14k", "250-300k" or "900k+" players can be seen anywhere from the website Online and Active Users Online counters. Obviously, none of these bogus numbers are being "false advertised" by Jagex. Amen to the false adverstisment nonsense. :D:D:D"


All these bogus numbers are not shown in the website, and therefore mean nothing to this discusison.


Thanks for this. Now stop bringing up Guiness World Records or whatever other off-topic numbers you're so eager to discuss and get back to the subject of this thread.

If you and Pluscious wish to discuss world records, you're completely free to do so elsewhere.


There's really no need for you to be making red-herring arguments about off-topic numbers when this thread is merely for people's opinions on the online player count on the top of the RS3 webpage.


Sorry. I did not bring it up. Other people did. In fact, on Page 12, Post 8, I already clearly said these numbers have nothing to do with this thread. Yes, Please report Pluscious and the others if you want to, but make no mistakes, I did not bring it up. :)

03-Aug-2019 23:03:56

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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
"Ironically, none of these made-up "14k", "250-300k" or "900k+" players can be seen anywhere from the website Online and Active Users Online counters. Obviously, none of these bogus numbers are being "false advertised" by Jagex. Amen to the false adverstisment nonsense. :D:D:D"


All these bogus numbers are not shown in the website, and therefore mean nothing to this discusison.


Thanks for this. Now stop bringing up Guiness World Records or whatever other off-topic numbers you're so eager to discuss and get back to the subject of this thread.

If you and Pluscious wish to discuss world records, you're completely free to do so elsewhere.


There's really no need for you to be making red-herring arguments about off-topic numbers when this thread is merely for people's opinions on the online player count on the top of the RS3 webpage.


Sorry. I did not bring it up. Other people did. In fact, on Page 12, Post 8, I already clearly said these numbers have nothing to do with this thread. Yes, Please report Pluscious and the others if you want to, but make no mistakes, I did not bring it up. :)


On Page 2 you brought up the accounts created, the number advertised on the guiness world records.

You also brought up the online forum count.

Neither are relevant to this thread.

Now stick true to your word and stop posting about them when you know quite well they have zero relevance.


They are used to illustrate Jagex is not advertisng the Online counter. If you have any problem and is so serious about Jagex misleading the players, as I mentioned I will send this thread to tipoff@jagex.com for review. I believe they have good lawyers.

03-Aug-2019 23:14:44

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
"Ironically, none of these made-up "14k", "250-300k" or "900k+" players can be seen anywhere from the website Online and Active Users Online counters. Obviously, none of these bogus numbers are being "false advertised" by Jagex. Amen to the false adverstisment nonsense. :D:D:D"


All these bogus numbers are not shown in the website, and therefore mean nothing to this discusison.


Thanks for this. Now stop bringing up Guiness World Records or whatever other off-topic numbers you're so eager to discuss and get back to the subject of this thread.

There's really no need for you to be making red-herring arguments about off-topic numbers when this thread is merely for people's opinions on the online player count on the top of the RS3 webpage.


Sorry. I did not bring it up. Other people did. In fact, on Page 12, Post 8, I already clearly said these numbers have nothing to do with this thread. Yes, Please report Pluscious and the others if you want to, but make no mistakes, I did not bring it up. :)


On Page 2 you brought up the accounts created, the number advertised on the guiness world records.

You also brought up the online forum count.

Neither are relevant to this thread.

Now stick true to your word and stop posting about them when you know quite well they have zero relevance.


They are used to illustrate Jagex is not advertisng the Online counter. If you have any problem and is so serious about Jagex misleading the players, as I mentioned I will send this thread to tipoff@jagex.
[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

It is their job. They have lawyers and it is no-reply anyway. Not my concern.

03-Aug-2019 23:22:21

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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
On Page 2 you brought up the accounts created, the number advertised on the guiness world records.

You also brought up the online forum count.

Neither are relevant to this thread.


They are used to illustrate Jagex is not advertisng the Online counter.
This conclusion lacks any logical merits at all. Neither of those off topic numbers are plastered on every page of the RS3's site. Dilbert2001 said:
If you have any problem and is so serious about Jagex misleading the players, as I mentioned I will send this thread to tipoff@jagex.com for review. I believe they have good lawyers.
This has nothing to do with what this thread is about and is another red-herring. Please stop.


Thank you for your comment. Likewise, Active Users Online is also "plastered on every page" of the RS3 site. But what? It is just another of your red-herring.

Jagex is not advertising those numbers at all.

03-Aug-2019 23:25:22

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Thunder Jinx said:
It's the front page, so it displays the total amount of players on their platform.
It's easily defensible.


See? Different forum users have different opinions. One forum user's comment and baseless accusations definitely doesn't mean the whole world is red-herring.

03-Aug-2019 23:29:29

Dilbert2001

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
On Page 2 you brought up the accounts created, the number advertised on the guiness world records.

You also brought up the online forum count.

Neither are relevant to this thread.


They are used to illustrate Jagex is not advertisng the Online counter.
This conclusion lacks any logical merits at all. Neither of those off topic numbers are plastered on every page of the RS3's site. Dilbert2001 said:
If you have any problem and is so serious about Jagex misleading the players, as I mentioned I will send this thread to tipoff@jagex.com for review. I believe they have good lawyers.
This has nothing to do with what this thread is about and is another red-herring. Please stop.


Thank you for your comment. Likewise, Active Users Online is also "plastered on every page" of the RS3 site. But what? It is just another of your red-herring.

Jagex is not advertising those numbers at all.


it isn't on the linked osrs site though, since they only show osrs online count. Not that I have added up their players in worlds and compared it to their online count.


OSRS can be accessed from the Runescape website too. If they don't go to the Runescape website, it doesn't mean the links are not there.

03-Aug-2019 23:32:10

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
On Page 2 you brought up the accounts created, the number advertised on the guiness world records.

You also brought up the online forum count.

Neither are relevant to this thread.


They are used to illustrate Jagex is not advertisng the Online counter.
This conclusion lacks any logical merits at all. Neither of those off topic numbers are plastered on every page of the RS3's site. Dilbert2001 said:
If you have any problem and is so serious about Jagex misleading the players, as I mentioned I will send this thread to tipoff@jagex.com for review. I believe they have good lawyers.
This has nothing to do with what this thread is about and is another red-herring. Please stop.


Thank you for your comment. Likewise, Active Users Online is also "plastered on every page" of the RS3 site. But what? It is just another of your red-herring.

Jagex is not advertising those numbers at all.


it isn't on the linked osrs site though, since they only show osrs online count. Not that I have added up their players in worlds and compared it to their online count.


OSRS can be accessed from the Runescape website too. If they don't go to the Runescape website, it doesn't mean the links are not there.


I believe we are talking about the existing link to osrs site shows the online players for osrs, not whether or not there is a link on the rs3 website.


OSRS chooses not to follow the Runescape website format. That's their own issue but it means nothing to the website of the Runescape Platform. They don't even have a link back to the main Runescape website.

03-Aug-2019 23:45:37

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
How many users are in game playing rs3 right now?


I don't care. Let the ones who cares to find out.

Likewise, I don't care how many Active Users Online are in the RS3 part of the RSOF. Do you?


I didn't ask if you care, or care if you care actually.


I also asked do you know how many Active Users Online are in the RS3 part of the RSOF. I don't see you are answering.

03-Aug-2019 23:59:00

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
How many users are in game playing rs3 right now?


I don't care. Let the ones who cares to find out.

Likewise, I don't care how many Active Users Online are in the RS3 part of the RSOF. Do you?


I didn't ask if you care, or care if you care actually.


I also asked do you know how many Active Users Online are in the RS3 part of the RSOF. I don't see you are answering.


No you don't do you dilbert, yet I see you answering and directing that question at me for a reason, would you care to explain that reason dilbert?


Of course you don't, because Jagex doesn't intend to. The Active Users Online counter is meant for all the users on the Runescape platform, not specifically for RS3, or OSRS or RSC when applicable. It is the same scenario for the Online counter. It is for the entire Runescape platform, not just RS3.

Of course, I direct this question and answer to everybody on the Runescape platform, not just you, Pluscious.

04-Aug-2019 00:10:04

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
How many users are in game playing rs3 right now?


I don't care. Let the ones who cares to find out.

Likewise, I don't care how many Active Users Online are in the RS3 part of the RSOF. Do you?


I didn't ask if you care, or care if you care actually.


I also asked do you know how many Active Users Online are in the RS3 part of the RSOF. I don't see you are answering.


No you don't do you dilbert, yet I see you answering and directing that question at me for a reason, would you care to explain that reason dilbert?


Of course you don't, because Jagex doesn't intend to. The Active Users Online counter is meant for all the users on the Runescape platform, not specifically for RS3, or OSRS or RSC when applicable. It is the same scenario for the Online counter. It is for the entire Runescape platform, not just RS3.

Of course, I direct this question and answer to everybody on the Runescape platform, not just you, Pluscious.


You don't see me answering as it is not on topic and is derailing the thread after op has asked you to stop discussing the forum counter.

Can you explain why you quoted me and posted that if not directing it at me dilbert?


Because you can answer too if you want to. If you don't have an answer, fine.

However, it is absolutely on topic as it is Jagex's intention not to distinguish their Online and Active Users Online counter, and also not for advertising purpose.

04-Aug-2019 00:17:45

Dilbert2001

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Pluscious said:
Wolfblue42 said:
27,636 total currently on rs3 from world select.

116,383 on site counter

81,565 old school

Manually counted and added each world player count from world select. 27,636 players currently on rs3.
116,383 at top of page, and 81,565 listed for old school at the time of this post.

116,383-81,565=34,818
My count found 27,636 by manually adding each world. Though some worlds are not visible like regional worlds if I recall.


so we're missing about 7k people. Thanks.


"Though some worlds are not visible like regional worlds if I recall."

04-Aug-2019 01:46:10

Dilbert2001

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Wolfblue42 said:
27,636 total currently on rs3 from world select.

116,383 on site counter

81,565 old school

Manually counted and added each world player count from world select. 27,636 players currently on rs3.
116,383 at top of page, and 81,565 listed for old school at the time of this post.

116,383-81,565=34,818
My count found 27,636 by manually adding each world. Though some worlds are not visible like regional worlds if I recall.


so we're missing about 7k people. Thanks.


"Though some worlds are not visible like regional worlds if I recall."


Why are you reposting something that is already posted dilbert?


Just to tell you we are not "missing about 7k people" as you claimed.

04-Aug-2019 01:55:16

Dilbert2001

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Obviously, we can't count anything including players from the worlds that exist but we can't see. Hope that's not also considered "misleading" to some forum users. :D


Oh we can't see worlds lol. You're so funny.


"Though some worlds are not visible like regional worlds if I recall."


That's what Wolfblue42 said, if you want to call him funny.

I believe he is correct though.

04-Aug-2019 02:07:30

Dilbert2001

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Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Pluscious said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Obviously, we can't count anything including players from the worlds that exist but we can't see. Hope that's not also considered "misleading" to some forum users. :D


Oh we can't see worlds lol. You're so funny.


"Though some worlds are not visible like regional worlds if I recall."


That's what Wolfblue42 said, if you want to call him funny.

I believe he is correct though.


I don't think he said anything about not being able to see foreign language worlds lol. He said as far as he recalls there are some worlds not visible, which I presume he means from the world select screen.


I quoted you the exact words he said. I don't see anything about foreign language worlds at all and I never said any foreign language worlds myself.

Aside from "invisible" regional worlds, there are players in the Lobby, which is also a social feature of the RS3 client.

04-Aug-2019 02:23:59

Dilbert2001

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Post 1 of this thread already mentioned players in the RS3 Lobby are also counted in the online counter, and of course they should be since they are using the facility of the RS3 client.

No point to repeat what has already been discussed on the very first page, and also no point to call what Wolfblue42 wrote "funny", especially what he clearly wrote was regional worlds but not some totally made-up "foreign language worlds".

I will ignore further comments on made-up "foreign language worlds" and I hope the others will too. :)

04-Aug-2019 02:45:12

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Ethereal199 said:
Teutotes said:
Ethereal199 said:
From August 1st to September 1st, 307,304 RS3 players gained at least 1K XP


And in August we had a player magnet called DXP weekend.


That 273m+ number of accounts created also includes accounts created solely for botting purposes. Both RS3 and OSRS have bots, but that's a topic for another time.

Now, if we look at the monthly numbers for RS3 (players that have gained > 1K XP)... it's interesting to see a huge jump in November 2018. Now, the average number of monthly RS3 players seems to be around 300,000.

307,224 - August
312,011 - July (DXP weekend from 26 to 29)
306,225 - June
308,300 - May
296,500 - April
328,400 - March
342,000 - February (DXP weekend from 22 to 25)
367,675 - January (Mining & Smithing Rework)
-- 2019 --
399,250 - December
387,000 - November (DXP weekend from 16 to 19)
331,675 - October


Again, the last few posts just looked at players who gained a certain xp but there are players who don't necessarily go for xp. Remember there are other Achievements and Treasure Trail players, and of course daily Raffle users.

In fact, similar pattern may happen to OSRS too, only that they never show the same logs as RS3 for whatever reason. ;)

07-Sep-2019 16:21:05

Dilbert2001

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Hardly surprising players don't gain xp in online games, especially MMORPGs. There are always alt accounts just created to get daily rewards, or bots that did not even make their way out of Tutorial Island so no xp for them.

In fact, plenty of players are only shown on Achievement Hiscores but not Skilling Hiscores. They just don't care about xp/levels or Hiscores as a whole at all. However, we can't say they are not active players at all.

Also, don't forget the likes of Twitch Prime players. They are just getting the bonus rewards on top of their Twitch subscription. They are not losing a thing other than the daily TH rewards even if they only log in once a week or even a month.

07-Sep-2019 16:51:27

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