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No, I'm not interested in the poop of a frost dragon...

I've set my mind on completing the free-to-play achievement 'Up to the Gods'. I need to kill a frost dragon on a frozen Dungeoneering floor (must be in a solo dungeon!) and offer its bones on an altar.
I know these frost dragons are very rare (even more when doing it solo), and the Wiki recommends starting a new floor (medium to increase the chance of finding an altar, I do large ones to increase it even further), opening all the doors of the starting room, leave again if there's no dragon and repeat.

In all those years I have done Dungeoneering I have never encountered one. How rare is it to find one? One in a thousand? One in a million? One in a googol? How long can it take on average to find one? As they are probably quite large (4x4 squares I guess?) they don't fit in just any room, making it even harder to encounter one...
Are there ways of increasing the chance of one spawning (apart from not going alone but the achievement forbids it)? Do they spawn more often near the end of the Frozen Floors? Is there a way to know there's one in the dungeon before finding its room? (probably not, but who knows?)

I don't want to do this day in day out for months before I find one and kill it in a dungeon that doesn't contain an altar...
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13-Aug-2019 13:49:37

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Furry Death said:
i would say for the sake of simplicity, just do medium floors and then floors 1-11 (only frozen floors) and just rush those.


Doesn't it take longer to open all the doors in one dungeon than just opening the starting room doors again and again? My gut tells me the latter has a larger room-opening rate.

Furry Death said:

Keep in mind that it would still breathe fire since it is a dragon so buy a shield from the merch on the floor!


The Wiki warned about that too, yet I still have the feeling I'll forget it and start the fight using my zephyrium 2h instead. The same happened with Elvarg and my full adamant many years ago...

Fire Hawk154 said:
I'm at 120 DG and still haven't been able to complete that achievement.


I am suddenly very discouraged in trying to complete it...
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13-Aug-2019 15:09:01 - Last edited on 13-Aug-2019 15:09:13 by Kings Abbot

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^ As I'm free-to-play, I can't make an altar myself.
Having done quite some medium floors in the past, I remember that not all dungeons have one, so large floors should have a higher chance of having an altar. There's also a higher chance that the starting room is not in a corner or side and thus a higher chance of more doors to open.

I'd be nice if there was some mechanism that tells you if there's one, like finding an anti-dragon shield in the starting room means there is a frost dragon somewhere. Even if it's behind a door I can't open due to skill requirements, it would make it faster finding one.
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13-Aug-2019 15:42:26

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Nosediggerno said:
333333333 said:
To be honest, the best chance to find any dragons in F2P DG is a team of 5:5 maxed players or high combat lv players! Because of the stronger players together will make the DG floors much harder to complete, will spawn stronger monsters easily in DG and the chance to find a dragon is greatly increased! Once a frost dragon is found, say to your team all leave the DG party, making it you being alone left in the DG floor then it counts as 1:1 solo!
I don't think this method works.


Neither do I. It has to be a solo dungeon, so I'll have to start solo.

Your reasoning makes sense though, a higher combat level should spawn them faster. Maybe the later frozen floors also have a larger chance as I believe they are mean to be a bit harder.
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14-Aug-2019 10:54:24

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Fire Hawk154 said:
Kings Abbot said:

Your reasoning makes sense though, a higher combat level should spawn them faster. Maybe the later frozen floors also have a larger chance as I believe they are mean to be a bit harder.


Previously yes, but Jagex broke combat scaling so even with 126 combat the majority of mobs in a solo are below 30 combat. Since frost dragons are level 43, they became much less likely to spawn.


I sometimes encounter a lonely mysterious shade with a higher leven than that, but it is rather rare indeed. Half the monsters I see need only one ability to die, and the other half usually two.
Why don't they fix the scaling? I used to have trouble getting through floors because of these high-leveled mysterious shades causing me to burn through a whole inventory of dusk eels, now I don't think I need to eat at all.

Tranq said:
I could have sworn that when the achievement set for daemonheim came out originally "up to the gods" didn't say it had to be a solo dungeon. It just said you had to kill the dragon yourself which lead to alot of teams squabbling over who gets the bones. or griefing by doing damage to the dragon wrecking the progress. I know I used to look behind doors and if I saw a dragon asked if anyone still needed the achievement. Sad it's now a solo requirement.


I understand why Jagex changed it though. If only there was a way to force one to appear, I'd be willing to pay 1m to Marmaros to get a single one.
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14-Aug-2019 16:24:11

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Wolfblue42 said:
It was pretty hard to find one. I just spammed mediums until they gave one. Only took me a few days.

Not impossible though, just an annoying rng req.


Could be worse...

I’ve seen ratyer plenty of monsters of level 40+ in the lower frozen floors (even 70+ rarely) so I’ll spam floor 11 (the deepest frozen one). I always found an altar in a medium dungeon (one time even two), so I don’t think I’ll need to do a large dungeon just to find one.

By spamming, do you mean rushing the floor or only opening the doors of the starting room and restarting?
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20-Aug-2019 12:52:58

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Nosediggerno said:
Probably completing as many rooms as possible, including bonus rooms. However, I'm not sure if the dragons only spawn on crit paths.


I don't know either, but I think it doesn't really matter?

Anyway, I'll open every door I can. I'll keep a log here abot how long it takes. I'll also mention the amount of altars I find each time, that way I can guess how unlucky I would be if I find a dragon but no altar.
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22-Aug-2019 11:08:42

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Nosediggerno said:
The first frost dragon I found, there wasn't an altar on the floor. Took me close to another 100 floors for me to finally get it.


That's tough. 100 floors is managable given enough time. I would just give up if it were more something like 10.000.

Captain's Dungeoneering log
22/08/2019:
- 26, 3
- 24 + >3, 1
- 23, 0
- 26, 0

23/08/2019
- 28, 1
- 30, 0
- 23 + >5, 1
- 21 + >3, 2
- 19 + >4, 0
- 29, 0
- 27, 2
- 30, 0
- 25 + >2, 1
- 26, 1

24/08/2019
- 26 , 3
- 17 + >3, 1
- 18 + >5, 0
- 25, 0
- 26, 2
- 28, 1
- 25 + >3, 0
- 27, 0
- 17 + >4, 0

25/08/2019
- 24, 1
- 24 + >2, 0
- 20 + >3, 1
- 23 + >1, 1
- 30, 2
- 29, 2
- 29, 1
- 23 + >2, 1

26/08/2019
- 30, 2
- 25, 1
- 26, 1
- 28, 2
- 13 + >4, 0
- 28 + >1, 1

27/08/2019
- 28, 0
- 30, 5
- 26, 0
- 24, 3
- 24, 1
- 29, 2

28/08/2019
- 25, 1
- 28 + 2, 0
- 19 + >4, 1
- 27, 2
- 25, 0

29/08/2019
- 28, 2
- 16 + >6, 0
- 25 + >2, 1
- 27, 1
- 23, 2
- 28, 3
- 26, 0
- 27, 1

31/08/2019
- 23 + >3, 2
- 30, 0
- 27 + >3, 2
- 15 + >4, 1

01/09/2019
- 21 + >2, 0
- 27, 2
- 25, 3
- 23, 2
- 28 + >1, 2
- 27, 1
- 28, 2
- 28, 0
- 27 + >1, 3
- 26 + 1, 1

02/09/2019
- 18 + >3, 1
- 25, 0
- 26 + >1, 2
- 30, 3
- 16 + >5, 0
- 27, 1
- 27 + 3, 2
- 25, 0

07/09/2019
- 27, 1

08/09/2019
- 22 + >1, 0
- 27, 6
- 16 + >6, 3
- 26, 1

09/09/2019
- 30, 1

10/09/2019
- 29, 2

11/09/2019
- 27, 2

12/09/2019
- 28 + >3, 1

14/09/2019
- 27, 1
- 25, 1
- 23, 0
- 19 + >5, 1

15/09/2019
- 22 + >6, 2
- 24 + >3, 1
- 18 + >5, 0
- 28, 1
- 16 + >4, 1
- 20 + >4, 0
- 25 + >2, 1

21/09/2019
- 17 + >5, 0
- 28, 1
- 28 + 1, 2
- 19 + >5, 0

28/09/2019
- 25, 4
- 24 + >1, 0
- 25 + >1, 2
- 24, 1
- 14 + >3, 0
- 25 + >3, 1
- 25, 0

29/09/2019
- 24 + 1, 2

03/10/2019
- 18 + >5, 1
- 27, 1

05/10/2019
- 28, 3

06/10/2019
- 26 + >1, 0

08/10/2019
- 29, 5

80/115 = 69.6% dung w altar
5.33 % altar/room
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22-Aug-2019 16:01:06 - Last edited on 13-Oct-2019 10:02:26 by Kings Abbot

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AfkingAlt123 said:
just use the resource dungeon


I would like to nominate this post for the Most Unhelpful Post to Answer a Question (MUPAQ)™ Award.

1: I'm free-to-play and can't get in there
2: There's no altar in there
3: It has to happen inside Daemonheim anyway in a solo dungeon
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24-Aug-2019 10:53:27

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333333333 said:
You know, the DG engine in every DG maps upon entering a floor is completely random and have flags in larges set in this to avoid stuck and bugs: starting room to boss room is a connected path between 19-23 rooms! You can never get stuck inside a floor in solo! All skill doors and skill required puzzles are matched up your own skill stats so you can never get stuck! Let's say you encounter a strength door requiring 100 strength then this isn't leading to boss! All room spawns are also random so you may or not find any altars at all!


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25-Aug-2019 10:55:07

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^ You have been blessed by RNGesus! What did you do to please him? :P

Everywhere I look on the internet, they say it's f2p. The achievement is also labeled as such. The anti-dragon shields are f2p, and hydras don't seem to count as dragons, so it would be kinda depressing if they made the shield available to f2p if they had no use for it (Jagex is capable of doing that tho). You encountered one at a higher difficulty, they are more rare in a solo dungeon.

I found on Reddit that apparently finding a spawn of the shield (probably the starting room but they didn't specify it) might be the game telling "take this, you might need it". They also said that they're rare when you're searching for one but common when you're not.
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27-Aug-2019 10:19:32

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Corugi said:

I have come here solely in the hope of winning the MUPAQ™ award. Do I win?


No. The MUPAQ™ Award is given to those who show low effort. You made way too much effort to not answer my inquiry, so your post will not be added to this and next month’s (we only have two posts from the end of August) candidates.
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31-Aug-2019 13:22:59

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Just as an experiment, I'll see how common altars are on complexity 1. Since that only uses combat, there might be a higher chance of finding a frost dragon there. There also won't be that much annoying puzzles taking up time and I don't complete the floors anyway, so the lower xp is not an issue.

Captain's Dungeoneering Log - Complexity 1

I can only do small floors on c1-c5, and the maximum amount of rooms seems to be 8, so this won't work.
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31-Aug-2019 13:44:50 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2019 14:04:35 by Kings Abbot

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Mentioning you want to win the MUPAQ™ Award automatically disqualifies one for ever winning it.
You did it on purpose, implicating effort, while it is meant for those that don't do much effort like reading just the title without looking what the OP is actually about.
A post should be on-topic but unhelpfull to be considered as a candidate. Yours is just completely off-topic.
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04-Sep-2019 20:22:46

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Trying to bribe one of the judges, eh? The penalty of that is not being allowed to witness any ceremony ever.
Now stop derailing the thread, or I’ll have September 2019’s MUPAQ™ nominee Tufty have your posts removed.
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06-Sep-2019 11:28:32

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Jeremy Cheng said:
Is this achievement the only one you have to do till you get daemonheim aura 4?


Lol, no. It's just one of the few achievements I haven't completed in f2p. What's the point of paying money for something you can do for free?
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07-Sep-2019 18:25:13

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Hylonome said:
Victory btw. The competition we had going on was over a couple days ago. Good luck on the task. :P


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11-Sep-2019 13:58:05

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Krystelle said:
I would say 1/5 times for me.


What’s your party size and dungeon size?
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13-Sep-2019 18:32:18

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EagleSunrise said:
I completed this achievement on a solo medium floor complexity 6.

I would say the chance is fairly uncommon. I had to complete almost 30 floors before I found both a frost dragon and an altar.


Seems I am a bit unlucky then...
How long ago did you complete it? You were f2p when you completed it, right? What was your combat level?
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07-Oct-2019 11:33:48

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EagleSunrise said:
Kings Abbot said:
EagleSunrise said:
I completed this achievement on a solo medium floor complexity 6.

I would say the chance is fairly uncommon. I had to complete almost 30 floors before I found both a frost dragon and an altar.


Seems I am a bit unlucky then...
How long ago did you complete it? You were f2p when you completed it, right? What was your combat level?


A few years back, I was definitely a member at the time. I was around 100 dungeoneering and around 120 combat but needed the medium tasks so that I could get the free rune handouts at the start of every dungeon.


I'm starting to believe frost dragons are members-only after all (probably unnoticed after an update, something similar happened to the cremation ability and the ghost hunter equipment), even though the achievement is f2p and fansites also indicate it as thus.
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08-Oct-2019 20:57:00

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^ Liar! :)

Captain's Dungeoneering Log, Part II

12/10/2019
- 30, 1
- 27 + >2, 1
- 29 + >1, 1
- 29, 1
- 29, 1
- 24 + >1, 2
- 27, 2
- 29, 0
- 25 + >2, 1
- 21 + >5, 1
- 26, 1
- 13 + >5, 1
- 23 + >1, 0

13/10/2019
- 18 + >5, 1
- 17 + >4, 1
- 31, 5
- 26, 1
- 27, 1
- 24, 0
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