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Proto57

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Yes, I know it is technically not P2P only, because F2P can access some ores. But the core purposes of this UD was to remove a major earning method for F2P, in an attempt to drive them to pay, and/or at least take away another means for them to earn membership with in-game earnings only.

For every F2P they can discourage or stop from earning enough in-game to membership, Jagex gets real world $$$.

I've been looking at all the posts so far to see who likes this update, and who does not, and it is almost perfectly divided down the F2P, P2P line. Chasm, really.

So the psychology of this is "carrot-stick", to try and coerce F2P to start paying. I for one am F2P pure (except after Darkscape, when Jagex forced a "free" month on me). So for me, it is lose lose lose. I don't know how many of us are out there, but no doubt Jagex doesn't really care. I get that... why would they? The whole point of F2P is to introduce people to the game, to hopefully lure them into paying.

The deciding factor, I'm guessing, to whether this is deemed a success or not, by Jagex, will be if it increases or decreases future membership. I get that, too... this is, after all, a business. I don't know if it will work... I can only guess. But it seems to me a mistake, because:

F2P will have far less interest in going high in the wild, now that there are no ores up there for them. And no pking of miners, either. So really, there is little reason to hang out in the high wildy... and to me, that means Jagex loses those F2P players, as they won't explore that area, or think it has value to join for.

Maybe this is geared only for new F2P players, who won't realize what was lost. That would be my guess, because it really undermined the game for any long-term F2P's like me (17 years). Really destroyed a major part of playing for me/us. But maybe it will increase P2P for Jagex, for those new players. Time will tell. I, though, hope it is another failed experiment, like the wildy and DS fiascos.

09-Jan-2019 15:05:48

Aqua Star

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Yes. You can play old school or just mine some ores and sell them and use the gp on members I guess. You have to accept that this game changes sometimes. Now what's an unfun environment when you talk to people and see nonsense being said and stuff like that

09-Jan-2019 15:11:48

scousy

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Jagex has been making real world money from membership since 2001. I don't see any problem with f2p getting anything from this rework. Over the last 2 years f2p has already been given so much. I wouldn't mind f2p getting more stuff but I don't think it's urgent to do so. Mining was never a major money maker in f2p. If you want to make gp then do cursed energies or steal zammy wines.

09-Jan-2019 15:12:17 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2019 15:13:29 by scousy

Proto57

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All good points... and I'd only argue with mining not being a money maker for F2P. With runite ores never falling below 10K, and staying above 12k for most of a decade, it was really the only major earner for me.

I suppose there are F2P merchers... but I'm not aware of any other method of earning in-game wealth that would come close to pre-update mining for F2P. But of course I'd love to learn of it... maybe I've been missing out!

09-Jan-2019 15:24:16

Proto57

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... yes on the cursed engergies, but really only by killing bots, I think. Can I steal this "zammy wine" while F2P? I'll check it out.

But it would have to earn over 400k an hour (up to maybe 600k gp), to compete with the pre-update runite mining.

09-Jan-2019 15:27:16

Aqua Star

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What do you even nee that much money for in free to play? Are you buying phats or something?
If you were earning that then you can pay for members with gp.
Now what's an unfun environment when you talk to people and see nonsense being said and stuff like that

09-Jan-2019 15:41:30

Steelweaver
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Proto57 said:
Yes, I know it is technically not P2P only, because F2P can access some ores. But the core purposes of this UD was to remove a major earning method for F2P, in an attempt to drive them to pay, and/or at least take away another means for them to earn membership with in-game earnings only.


I mean, that's a side effect. Yes.


But the update was moreso to bring Rune down from the ludicrious requirement of 85+ Smithing and Mining, and costing nearly 14k per ore, on top of the removal of metal equipment, bar, and ore drops in PvM so PvM no longer undercuts Mining and Smithing.

The fact F2P lost runite as an AS lucrative moneymaker might have been intended still, but it wasn't the only reason to do it, and it was a very tiny reason if any.
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09-Jan-2019 15:51:13

Siege Fred
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What did you do when bonds didn’t exist? It’s funny how people are complaining now how they can’t make enough money to buy bond, when people were railing against them when it was first announced.

This update gave free to play more stuff, like craftable gauntlets and boots, and the ability to improve your current rune gear.

09-Jan-2019 17:17:49

Fire Hawk154

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Siege Fred said:
This update gave free to play more stuff, like craftable gauntlets and boots, and the ability to improve your current rune gear.


Already had gauntlets and boots, and the improvement to current gear only disbalanced PvP. So I'd happily trade that back for pre-rework M&S, as most of the rework is just nerfing F2P.
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09-Jan-2019 18:54:28 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2019 18:55:04 by Fire Hawk154

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