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Whatusaytome said:
1)
Fully define and detail specific examples of how existing report options should be used for EVERY rule
. We need EVERYBODY to be informed and have access to information on what falls under which rule. Nobody seems to know.

I fully support the first suggestion. Players who are aware of threats are much less vulnerable to exploitation and are better equipped to report abuse appropriately. Educating players would be the best way to protect those players from scams and other malicious behavior, including dishonest begging, while simultaneously being the most effective tool to combat scammers and other rulebreakers.

I donít agree that Player Moderators should have the power to ban, even temporarily, as such authority would create potential for abuse. (The suggestion for Player Moderators to have the ability to ban appears to have been removed by the author in an edit, as it does not appear in the initial post but has been cited by other players).

28-Sep-2018 03:28:44

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Whatusaytome said:

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The Offense Review team is lacking
. I think the more common threats, like doubling, scamming, macroing, luring should be taken more seriously. Increase the risk that comes with the actions to forcibly reduce to massive number of people committing the offenses.
Cracking down on the more common crimes makes them less common.


While I agree with the principle of the third suggestion, I would prefer a progressive penalty system for rulebreakers rather than a zero-tolerance policy, as the latter would be unfair to players who are targeted for personal reasons and reported under false premises.

An increase in monitoring of abuse reports by Jagex staff would probably be helpful. However, the most effective deterrent against rulebreaking would be the education of the community. Players who are informed are less easily exploited than those who are not, and perpetrators of exploitative behavior would likely be less tempted to engage in such conduct if their efforts were less successful.

28-Sep-2018 03:36:26

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Seasons Past said:
Whatusaytome said:
1)
Fully define and detail specific examples of how existing report options should be used for EVERY rule
. We need EVERYBODY to be informed and have access to information on what falls under which rule. Nobody seems to know.

I fully support the first suggestion. Players who are aware of threats are much less vulnerable to exploitation and are better equipped to report abuse appropriately. Educating players would be the best way to protect those players from scams and other malicious behavior, including dishonest begging, while simultaneously being the most effective tool to combat scammers and other rulebreakers.

I donít agree that Player Moderators should have the power to ban, even temporarily, as such authority would create potential for abuse. (The suggestion for Player Moderators to have the ability to ban appears to have been removed by the author in an edit, as it does not appear in the initial post but has been cited by other players).
Glad you agree about defining each rule. But Education is only useful to those interested in learning. People have to open a link to the rules before they would ever be educated from it. Unfortunately most players don't care about the rules.

Just my two cents but I think you put way too much faith in education. And I would prefer results from players reporting suspected rule breaking, whether it's a response from Jagex, educating the reporting player why their report was not processed, as to make future reports better. That education will be far more prominent than basic rules page.
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28-Sep-2018 16:22:55

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Before I get to the quote below, wanted to comment on your response to pmods and bans. After being on the forums for so long, I've come to understand even Jmods ultimately suck at judgement calls for banning. So I can be fine with retracting my suggestion for pmods to do so

But their 1 hour mute is definitely not enough to stop people from repeat offending, which is my more pressing issue regarding suggesting pmods get a 1 day ban option.

Seasons Past said:

While I agree with the principle of the third suggestion, I would prefer a progressive penalty system for rulebreakers rather than a zero-tolerance policy.


Again I think there's too much faith in education where a criminal behavior wouldn't care to learn either way. Progressive penalties is fine, but people just don't care about the endless 1 days mutes they can get before even being considered for a ban. Criminals won't stop their crimes with how miniscule the offense system has shown effectiveness in my years of reporting before joining the forums.

This was my reason for joining the forums above all other topics, but now I'm hardly ever in game 2 years after this suggestion. Jmods certainly have never considered anything about this suggestion, including educating their players.

Perhaps my lack of playing is due to my lack of a decent cpu, but I think now it's more so because I'm active in the forums and can see just how toxic the people playing actually are. Even if they tried to stop rule breakers, they'd ruin the game another "legal" way. Such as doing things many players find obnoxiously disruptive.

The 2 times I logged on in the past month, I met a few good people and talked to them, but what do you think I saw looking around? What was most prominently seen? Nothing worth keeping my interest in-game, that's for sure.. Toxicity everywhere. Ultimately I won't renew membership until I get a new computer, so I may do activities that don't involve players.
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28-Sep-2018 17:51:16

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I've updated a few parts of the OP.

Ultimately nobody else will ever agree that begging can ever be considered a problem, which I find disturbing personally, considering my personal experience and the many experiences of other players who've used it in heavily abusive ways. So that has been removed..

I've replaced #2 with giving players feedback on reports they send, because that could be even more educational for players reporting than even updated rules. I want people to be protected, and if somebody abusing rules that affect us, like a scammer, is getting reported and nothing is done due to reporting for a wrong rule, or reporting too late, I'd personally like to know about it.

I can understand why people feel pmods would abuse there power if given the ability to ban, I see Jmods using that power more these days.. But I still think their 1 hour mutes are entirely useless. I still think they are the only ones stopping scammers on the spot, which is why I want them to actually be effective. And the reason I was comfortable suggesting it is because I knew several great ones who I truly felt wouldn't abuse it. But I know others will..

I've rewritten #5 so it may be taken seriously for once, since nobody knows why I wrote it in the first place, thinking I just didn't know what it was meant for. When I posted that as a suggestion to give the rule a purpose that it can be used for that isn't in the rules already.

I could comment on Alt-scape again, but honestly as long as somebody has 2+ accounts, they likely wouldn't support, thinking I want them to be disadvantaged. But I want the people abusing alts on the grander scale of dozens and hundreds and thousands of alts, used at the same time for dramatically advancing their gains in either xp or gp to be limited to a reasonable amount. Perhaps you've heard of the guy using thousands during raffles and events?
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28-Sep-2018 23:22:20 - Last edited on 28-Sep-2018 23:23:22 by Whatusaytome

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