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yall can say the suggestion is bad, but it's only being suggested because fmods refuse to remove the individuals who derail and flame threads nonstop from the forums entirely

the only reason this suggestion exists is because op wants to protect their threads from being derailed/flamebaited which is really the fmod's job not op, and clearly not being done effectively
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07-Dec-2018 08:31:46

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I think want OP wants is sensible moderation to address the rampant derailing and spamming happening to many threads. Perhaps you do not visit the same sections of the forums I visit but I can easily list several individuals whose responses to every thread, even if contradicting a previously made statement, are the same. Akin to me posting "no" on every thread in a section with no additional context. The failure of fmods to do anything about it leads to suggestions like these to grant OP the ability to do it themselves. bring back the lumbridge pig pit

07-Dec-2018 13:08:15

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even when some of these individuals are removed they purchase membership on alt accounts to continue posting. personally I think this should result in a permanent ban. there is no point banning someone for a period of time if they can simply return for pocket change.

the fact that this has knowingly happened and nothing was done about it just concretes my belief that fmods are either unwilling to remove these people or do not know when to enforce the rules anymore. consider adding different individuals to the team if needed, it is getting ridiculous these days
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07-Dec-2018 16:04:01 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2018 16:06:18 by Immortalized

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Aria Ventus said:
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I think reporting to FMR is a useful tip. I reported a FMod for not removing a troll from the forums despite constant reports and the troll was banned for over a week afterward.


Except some if not most of the times, by the time someone gets responded to on the FMR, it would be weeks gone by and by then even when the Jmod says the Fmod action was incorrect, the issue is no longer relevant. Especially frustrating when a thread is wrongfully locked on the RGU because by the time it is declared innocent, the thread creator cannot bump it into relevancy even when unlocked because it will be relocked for 'grave bumping.'
i somewhat agree. my thread was dumped in rants although I don't understand why and it will be weeks before I get a response... so the damage is already done
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13-Dec-2018 15:35:14

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i think pre-banning from threads is just a gesture from people frustrated by moderators refusing to remove constant rule breakers from the forums

when someone has a bunch of hidden posts in your thread and also tries to be the majority poster then u know something is wrong. but barely you can get banned from forums these days unless you do something so obscene that it cannot be challenged. so instead we get threads filled with removed posts and warnings my fmods, sometimes even adding to the spam. like posting 'removed 1 spam comment" just adds onto the spam if you ask me. kind of pointless to say what you did and contribute to unnecessary posts.

so maybe the idea is not very good but we should talk about why the idea is proposed
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15-Dec-2018 18:44:09

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Draco Burnz said:
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well of course u think this, but i think that is not true. that sounds like evading a ban to me.


Proof that it isnt true?
well someone was banned and began posting on an alt, and a jmod banned the alt. so I consider this example as proof.
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15-Dec-2018 18:58:45

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this thread is a perfect example of why we need this feature or better moderators in general

the fact that you have to keep hiding so many posts to keep them "focused" on the discussion is literally the point OP is trying to make

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Removed 2 posts to try and keep the peace.

Hopefully it works. ;)

With all due respect, we should not be "hopeful" that it works. It should be mandatory.

All you guys have done lately is occasionally hide posts and request no one does it again, until they do it again and again. It's like the useless player mods in game who ask people not to say bad words, instead of just muting.

This thread is the response. People like OP want to take care of it themselves. Quite frankly I am tired of browsing the forums thru pages of hidden posts. It is clear for many of us you guys are not solving the issue.

You guys will never experience this since you already have the power to remove spam/bait/derail from your own threads. OP is just asking for the same privilege, since the current state of the forum is 1) have your thread derailed/baited/spammed 2) report thread to FH 3) wait 4+ weeks for a jmod to review the moderator who hid your posts in collateral damage. Completely dysfunctional. It's no wonder people are on reddit and not here.
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25-Dec-2018 06:02:32 - Last edited on 25-Dec-2018 06:40:13 by Immortalized

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Louiellen said:
Let me put it this way, a forum is designed for pro-arguments and counter-arguments. Pre-banning someone from your thread is censorship before an offense is committed. We are not living in the "Minority Report" universe, where there is a system that predetermines a person will cause trouble even before he/she committed the offense. Hence the proposal as the thread author is trying to push is not workable.

Pro-arguments and counter-arguments on a particular topic are highly encouraged, not just those that echo what the thread author wants to hear.

we're living in a world where moderators are afraid of banning repeat offenders so people like OP has to suggest things like this to compensate

all your points have been about silencing opposition, but you don't seem to realize its primary use is to do the job you were supposed to be doing

i mean do you guys even use the forums? not hard to find a litter of threads derailed/spammed/baited left and right. makes me think you guys just cruise on here to read forum help then sign out again
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25-Dec-2018 16:36:34 - Last edited on 25-Dec-2018 16:37:35 by Immortalized

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my suggestion is to ban repeat offenders like i've said multiple times. if you do not even act on forum help i'm very confused why you are even a moderator, but ok then. i think that just reaffirms my point that very little is being done about the issue. bring back the lumbridge pig pit

25-Dec-2018 18:20:21

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Louiellen said:
You said:

"you guys just cruise on here to read forum help then sign out again"

&

"if you do not even act on forum help i'm very confused why you are even a moderator"

Both of which contradicts with each other, so if you want to say your stance - choose only one.

The term moderator has been loosened, the mechanics where we operate has changed towards the direction of being more considerate, non-heavy handed and leniency.

It isn't the fault of any fmod, it was Jagex's action in response to W&F's appeal for more freedom and less strict moderation.

Bottom line, the suggestion of the thread author is very harmful for RSOF as a whole as implemented. Watch the movie Minority Report, or if you are an anime lover, you may watch PsychoPass. Both have similar stories of people being pre-judged as harmful to the society, before they even committed the crime. I wish you think this carefully, you're asking for more trouble here in RSOF. Thread authors pre-banning someone even if they have not done anything harmful at all, just because of their bias against the person.

they don't contradict each other; you can use forum help and also actively participate in the forums to see the large amount of problems that forum help narrowly captures

i've seen minority report and watched psycho pass and both are poor analogies. the issue is people who have routinely been reported and actioned upon are still able to do so every single day, and nothing further is being done about it. those are the people who OP would be blocking, not some random individuals we have never even heard of as your analogy suggests
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25-Dec-2018 18:28:32

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there is no debunking here. "makes me think" is not a claim. the fact that you don't use forum help actually just reinforces my belief that not enough is being done since you are not even acting on the reports that people painstakingly put in.

many actions don't even get reported and to think that even after reporting them some of you guys choose to ignore them is mindblowingly insane
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25-Dec-2018 18:41:05

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Louiellen said:
Minority Report and PsychoPass are the nearest comparison to what the Threat Author wanted for RSOF. The power to impose a ban on fellow forumers even if they have not done anything disruptive yet, with a flick of a switch -- whoooos, the unwanted forumer is banned from posting on a particular thread.

I am fully against this suggestion, in fact I'll resign if Jagex imposes this. This basically will destroy the free trading of ideas, as nobody can go against the ideas of the thread author. It basically is dictatorship of ideas for the thread author.

I'm curious how you think they would "impose a ban" on anyone who has not even done anything. The only reason they would know to "impose a ban" on someone is if they had their username already known to memory, presumably because the person is a repeat offender that the forum moderators refused to ban from the forums in the first place.

No offense but considering you are not even acting on forum help I am totally confused what purpose you serve as a moderator. I really don't mean that to be taken negatively, I just have no idea what your role here is other than having a green post.
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25-Dec-2018 18:43:17

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Louiellen said:
You said this: "you guys just cruise on here to read forum help then sign out again"

What do you want to imply there? That fmods just do forum help and not participate with forum discussion. Which I basically debunked, full stop. My very existence here debunked your very word.

Then you made a counter claim questioning my modship, because I don't do Forum Help.

Make up your mind ok, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. Besides, it is the holidays, I'm not interested of arguing with you long. This is my last post in this thread, besides I don't think the proposal will push through, the thread author herself abandoned this thread, she last posted 13-Dec-2018 13:35:22.

you keep misquoting me so I'll include the full portion:

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i mean do you guys even use the forums? not hard to find a litter of threads derailed/spammed/baited left and right. makes me think you guys just cruise on here to read forum help then sign out again


the "makes me think" part is significant, because most people would interpret that as not a claim but an actual inquiry

and the whole point of this was that I personally feel like many moderators just act on forum help, but never engage in the actual forums to see the unreported abuse. while it's great you personally engage on the forums - although I have never seen you actually participate in the big forum sections where the abuse happens - this does not solve the issue. the issue is these people getting reported to forum help are constantly doing it on other threads across the forums. if you are not even visiting those same areas, or even seeing the numerous reports against particular people, how is this relevant? it's just something you have personally picked at and focused on, but you are missing the point. the point is the same repeat offenders on forum help (whom I assume you have no knowledge of because you do not use it) continue to do so rampant across the site.
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