Forums

Weekly Update Thread Format

Quick find code: 278-279-384-66059727

of 3
Applejuiceaj
Nov
fmod Member
2011

Applejuiceaj

Forum Moderator Posts: 42,606Sapphire Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
This thread is regarding the current structure of the weekly update newsposts as they are transcribed to the Recent Updates forum...

Or in this week's case, not transcribed.

This week, the newspost thread on the forums simply contains a link to the newspost on the homepage. This style of post is also something that has been in place for Old School RuneScape newsposts for quite some time as well. And, to be honest, I'm not really a fan of this style of thread.

I totally understand the reasoning for doing it this way - it shortens the amount of time it takes to create the newspost significantly, especially if how it is posted to the homepage and how it is posted to the forums requires two entirely different formatting styles. Being someone that has done their fair share of website work, I know how tedious that can be.

But at the same time, I feel this change makes reading the news a bit more annoying. When I typically read the newsposts when they were in the prior format on the forums, I'd scroll through the post and then could scroll down to see some preliminary feedback about it before I hopped ingame to give it a try. In the current format that is now being used, that doesn't really work out as well. A minor inconvenience for me, as I can still accomplish the same by opening the link in a new tab, reading it, and then going back to the forums, but it isn't the same experience.

Additionally, having it in this style removes the ability to 'quote' from the update post for use in providing feedback on a particular item or patch in either feedback on the thread itself, or something posted in another thread regarding an update. This in particular is something seen often in threads in Recent Game Updates.

12-Nov-2018 18:16:18

Applejuiceaj
Nov
fmod Member
2011

Applejuiceaj

Forum Moderator Posts: 42,606Sapphire Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I am content with hosting the patch notes in the update post itself (the other change recently done within the past month or so), rather than have a separate thread for them - that makes sense, having everything in one spot, especially as they are just as important as the featured content in the game update.

It just feels like Recent Updates is a bit emptier now with the news not actually contained in the newspost thread. I'd love to see it return to the way it was, with the newspost text both on the homepage and in the forum thread.

Just my two cents, feel free to leave yours. :)

12-Nov-2018 18:16:26

Tren
May
fmod Gold Premier Club Member
2003

Tren

Forum Moderator Posts: 82,240Emerald Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I agree. I kinda like the Patch Notes being included in the main post, but it's much easier to comment on the post when the actual content is right above and quotable.

It doesn't need fancy formatting that might take too much time, but it's nice to have the content in the post.
~Tren

Forum issues? ---> See Forum Help
Account issues? ---> See Account Help

12-Nov-2018 19:05:24

Wynd
Nov Member 2018

Wynd

Posts: 60,541Emerald Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I also like the older format. I want to be able to quote it. Not only that, but I find it unnecessary to have a thread with a link to another page here on the RuneScape website. If we were to discuss such an update, I can guarantee you that not everyone will follow what is being discussed because it isn't readily available on the same thread. Furthermore, not everyone is a fan of actually having to do extra work to access such information/details that could have been simply added to the OP in the first place.

All in all, it would be nice if we had the update on the thread where we can discuss it normally. It'd also allow us to have the content here on the Forums rather than on the website itself. This is simply alienating users from the Forums and that is the last thing we want here. We want users to come and stay here with us to form part of the community. We do not want to shoo them away.

I support this proposal.

12-Nov-2018 19:11:23 - Last edited on 12-Nov-2018 19:12:29 by Wynd

Iceberg
Sep Member 2008

Iceberg

Posts: 19,715Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I'm curious to know roughly how much time it saves Community Management every time they make a newspost this way, and whether any saved time is going toward any other initiative.

Applejuiceaj said:
Additionally, having it in this style removes the ability to 'quote' from the update post for use in providing feedback on a particular item or patch in either feedback on the thread itself, or something posted in another thread regarding an update. This in particular is something seen often in threads in Recent Game Updates.

We could still quote the opening post of the update thread and copy + paste what we want to quote from the newspost into our quotes. A mild inconvenience but still an option non-the-less.


Also curious to see how others feel about the change.
….…
_|¯¯¯|_

...……
( '
v
' )
……..
Iceberg
| Nubby Nubnub's #1 Fan
>--
(
:
)
--<
Community Helper

12-Nov-2018 19:14:54

Blackwing
Nov Member 2012

Blackwing

Posts: 40,845Sapphire Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Applejuiceaj said:
I totally understand the reasoning for doing it this way - it shortens the amount of time it takes to create the newspost significantly, especially if how it is posted to the homepage and how it is posted to the forums requires two entirely different formatting styles. Being someone that has done their fair share of website work, I know how tedious that can be.

But then again, if that is a problem, it's a problem Jagex has created intentionally, in order to try and hide another problem; the update threads contain a lot of filler that could just as well be omitted from the threads entirely (for example the Twitch spam), but which is there to make the update post longer and thus seem like they've done more than they have.
"These ghastly beasts CAN be slain! They CAN be overcome!" -Borch Three Jackdaws

12-Nov-2018 19:21:07

Twillow
Aug
fmod Gold Premier Club Member
2005

Twillow

Forum Moderator Posts: 40,947Sapphire Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Tren said:
I agree. I kinda like the Patch Notes being included in the main post, but it's much easier to comment on the post when the actual content is right above and quotable.

It doesn't need fancy formatting that might take too much time, but it's nice to have the content in the post.


I agree with Tren.
(I also agree with Sauce, but he wrote way too much to quote. =P
We'll let you skip puzzles when you let us skip bosses. ~Foxxie

@Twillow_RS|| #teamblue|| #Purple4life

13-Nov-2018 03:59:54

Applejuiceaj
Nov
fmod Member
2011

Applejuiceaj

Forum Moderator Posts: 42,606Sapphire Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Thanks for your responses so far. :)

Iceberg said:
I'm curious to know roughly how much time it saves Community Management every time they make a newspost this way, and whether any saved time is going toward any other initiative.


That would be interesting to hear. I'd expect that whichever CMS Jagex is using for their news archive these days likely has a completely different format than raw HTML code, so it isn't a simple copy and paste job.

I do remember the Old School team used to format all of their newsposts to have a scroll background, so I expect that added to the time as it wasn't just copying text. Recent RS newsposts haven't had anything like that, so they may be simpler, and simple is fine with me.

Iceberg said:
We could still quote the opening post of the update thread and copy + paste what we want to quote from the newspost into our quotes. A mild inconvenience but still an option non-the-less.


Yep that works, but as both of us indicated, it is a tad bit inconvenient.

--

Blackwing, I'm not so much concerned with regards to what the game content included with an update might be in the feedback I am providing with this thread. There are other places for that argument to be made, and I know you've made that point in other threads. ;) Rather, I'm focusing specifically on the written contents of the newspost being transcribed to the forums, regardless of what the update may be in terms of size.

13-Nov-2018 04:42:44

Blackwing
Nov Member 2012

Blackwing

Posts: 40,845Sapphire Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Applejuiceaj said:
Blackwing, I'm not so much concerned with regards to what the game content included with an update might be in the feedback I am providing with this thread. There are other places for that argument to be made, and I know you've made that point in other threads. Rather, I'm focusing specifically on the written contents of the newspost being transcribed to the forums, regardless of what the update may be in terms of size.

The written contents is what I was talking about too, though; if all the filler written contents were omitted, either entirely or just from the transcription to the forums, it'd take a lot less work to transcribe the update post to the forums, assuming that it is indeed a lot of work.

Looking at this week's update post, IMO everything except the "plus...", M&S beta, potion tooltips and patch note sections is filler, so if you only transcribed those sections, at a quick glance the amount of text that would have to be transcribed would be reduced to slightly less than half of what there is now. (Dxp weekend already had a separate post for itself only, and premier club sale is pretty much guaranteed to get its own post too.)
"These ghastly beasts CAN be slain! They CAN be overcome!" -Borch Three Jackdaws

13-Nov-2018 07:28:28

Spearmint30
Apr Gold Premier Club Member 2012

Spearmint30

Posts: 19,220Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I am with you on this as well, AJ. Unless something has changed, JMods can use HTML on the forums so to copy and paste the news post the same way it's formatted should not be more technical than just copy and paste. I mean, I haven't worked at Jagex so maybe I'm completely wrong here. :P

Of course, quoting parties would remove or convert the HTML to BBCode to clean it up since the quoted HTML wouldn't parse.
Spearmint30

¤
I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them. (S09 EP23)
¤

13-Nov-2018 21:25:20

Quick find code: 278-279-384-66059727Back to Top