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Southeaster
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Hello everyone, and welcome to my thread.

The Forum Moderation Review thread, or FMR, was last reviewed by a Jmod on 27 November 2018. Forty-six days have since elapsed, and fifty-six posts have been made on the thread since then.

It is evident that FMR is not functioning as it should, and to that end, in order for forum moderation to properly reflect the current situation in the forums, I am proposing the following:

1. For Fmods and Lmods to refrain from mentioning FMR as a form of recourse for regular forumers;

2. For Fmods and Lmods to indicate to regular forumers that Fmod or Lmod decisions are final;

3. For the FMR thread to be closed for the time being as its existence is redundant.

To be clear: I am not advocating for the above because I support these measures, instead, my intention is for forum moderation to be pragmatic and in touch with reality.

As the situation currently stands, asking for regular forumers to post on FMR is akin to giving them false hope, and informing them that a Jmod will review their situation is akin to fibbing to them.

All this is intended to be temporary, until the Lmods are given Jmod powers and will be able to access the FMR thread. When that happens, it will be appropriate for Fmods to once again refer forumers to FMR. This, of course, is based on the assumption that FMR will now be reviewed on a regular basis.

Should anyone else have any other ideas on how to have forum moderation better reflect the situation in the forums, please do provide your input here.
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12-Jan-2019 14:17:50 - Last edited on 12-Jan-2019 14:18:31 by Southeaster

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A way for Fmods to inform forumers about FMR while informing them of its neglect at the same time:
Twillow said:
There is a thread on the forums where you can post if you disagree with a forum moderator's actions. Jmods review that thread. However, unfortunately, it hasn't been reviewed by a Jmod for approximately two months. There have been discussions about the lack of prompt review, so the situation is being examined. That thread is here: Forum Moderator Review


Other ideas

Public thread for LMods to review Fmod actions
Wilf said:
Make posts public

L mods can then review


For those who don't wish to have their post visible they can use the old one and wait.

Wolfblue42 said:
Think Wilf's idea to make FMR public viewed so Lmods can see FMR reports and act on them would work for now. Make a new Fmr v3 thread if needed.

Then they'd have 6 able bodies compared to 4 to deal with FMR.
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12-Jan-2019 14:18:05 - Last edited on 21-Jan-2019 13:25:36 by Southeaster

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Hello South.

I have to disagree with No 2.

I don't want to sound or act like a dictator when moderating the forums. I want the Community though to be able to seek assistance from Jagex incase I was in error.

The F-Mods fully support the Review thread and still back it's use. Also F-Mods asked for it to be made. The Community needs a method to contact Jagex incase they feel the F-Mod was not upto scratch.

The FMR thread is in hand. Thats all I can say at this stage.
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12-Jan-2019 14:40:03

Team Skull
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Don't worry Southy, soon Nick or Nephtretyefhdefbh (I can't be bothered to check their name) will pass this feedback along to the relevant team in no time...

...As per their script. Legit though, I say that type of shit all the time to people at my work. Harambe knows how many times I forgot to actually pass said comments over to my superiors, and I don't place them above that, either.

They really should just stop with the illusion that they give a damn already. It's obvious- been a month and a half now with no commentary. Aight, I get it- holiday season n all, but January 1st ended 11 days ago.

And there's no excuse as to why another JMod can't check it either- I've seen Poerkie, Shauny, and even Lee in a pinch check it.
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Tuffty said:
Hello South.

I have to disagree with No 2.

I don't want to sound or act like a dictator when moderating the forums. I want the Community though to be able to seek assistance from Jagex incase I was in error.

The F-Mods fully support the Review thread and still back it's use. Also F-Mods asked for it to be made. The Community needs a method to contact Jagex incase they feel the F-Mod was not upto scratch.

The FMR thread is in hand. Thats all I can say at this stage.

What's the use of going to a help forum when the help is not there??

Southeasters No2 stands - as it's redundant, by the time help comes, if it comes it's too late the situation is long past...

support all your points southeaster.
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12-Jan-2019 15:38:29

Southeaster
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Tuffty said:
Hello South.

I have to disagree with No 2.

I don't want to sound or act like a dictator when moderating the forums. I want the Community though to be able to seek assistance from Jagex incase I was in error.

Hi Tuffty, your ideals seem to be very similar to mine. Unfortunately, what both you and I want is not in line with the reality of the current situation. If the forum community feels that a Fmod acted in error, they will not receive a timely reply on FMR. They will not receive adequate assistance from Jagex.

I'll give a personal example of mine. I had a post hidden on one of the sticky threads without any Fmod/Lmod post, and I posted on FMR asking for it to be unhidden, or to be otherwise given an explanation. That was on the 4th of December. That thread is currently unstickied and on page 5 of the subforum it's in. Even if my post were to be unhidden, what would be the point?

You call this 'help'? You call this 'assistance'?

I don't want you guys to tell people to post on FMR, because I don't want you to lie to them. I understand that FMR is out of your control, which is why I'm suggesting this instead.

Tuffty said:
The Community needs a method to contact Jagex incase they feel the F-Mod was not up to scratch.

There currently isn't any. This is a fact!

Tuffty said:
The FMR thread is in hand. That's all I can say at this stage.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'is in hand'.

If you mean that the Lmods are going to take over FMR soon, then rest assured that I have already taken that into account. Once Lmods gain access to FMR, it will be appropriate for FMR to be mentioned to forumers again.
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12-Jan-2019 15:39:36

Southeaster
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Team Skull said:
It's obvious- been a month and a half now with no commentary. Aight, I get it- holiday season n all, but January 1st ended 11 days ago.

And there's no excuse as to why another JMod can't check it either- I've seen Poerkie, Shauny, and even Lee in a pinch check it.

I agree. They've got no excuse.

I deliberately waited a week after Christmas/New Year break supposedly ended before I decided to speak up.
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12-Jan-2019 15:41:43 - Last edited on 12-Jan-2019 15:42:05 by Southeaster

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It is extremely unfortunate that the reviews of FMR have ceased since November, and no one should have to wait a month or more for a potential incorrect action to be reviewed. That's not fair to either side: the player whom, by the time their post gets reviewed, might not remember what it was, and the FMod who may receive feedback for their action, who likely doesn't even remember the thread or all of the particulars behind the action taken (after all, we do have to make difficult judgement calls sometimes).

What I will say is this - the FMods have been just as adamant about the thread getting reviewed on a timely manner as members of the community like yourself have, South - it's an important thread to the forums, and we'd all like to see progress on it once more. Having a system of checks and balances is important to the forums, and we'd all like to see that system be successful, rather than neglected.

12-Jan-2019 16:22:40 - Last edited on 12-Jan-2019 16:24:54 by Applejuiceaj

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Applejuiceaj said:
What I will say is this - the FMods have been just as adamant about the thread getting reviewed on a timely manner as members of the community like yourself have, South - it's an important thread to the forums, and we'd all like to see progress on it once more. Having a system of checks and balances is important to the forums, and we'd all like to see that system be successful, rather than neglected.

I understand that. In lieu of the thread not being reviewed in a timely manner, this was what I came up with.

Everybody else's hands are unfortunately tied here. :(
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12-Jan-2019 16:28:51 - Last edited on 12-Jan-2019 16:31:59 by Southeaster

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