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Jaberwockish

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This new rule I'm not sure about. As I went to FH, they didn't remove posts, so I took it to FMR - under forum mod involved I wrote something like took to FH but didn't remove post/s. In my summary I'm sure I also wrote Forum Moderator didn't remove post and explained reason why post/s should be removed. I got a warning for not taking it to Forum Help <- how can this be so when I certainly did? FMR also removed posts.

06-Jun-2018 18:23:02

Jaberwockish

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Wynd said:
Jaberwockish said:
This new rule I'm not sure about. As I went to FH, they didn't remove posts, so I took it to FMR - under forum mod involved I wrote something like took to FH but didn't remove post/s. In my summary I'm sure I also wrote Forum Moderator didn't remove post and explained reason why post/s should be removed. I got a warning for not taking it to Forum Help <- how can this be so when I certainly did? FMR also removed posts.
Usually, whenever you report something to FH, it doesn't mean that what you are reporting is going to be actioned. That is to say that in order for Forum Moderators to take action on your report, there must be some sort of rule-breaking present. With that being said, the FMod that hid your post must have concluded that what you reported didn't merit any action from them.

All in all, I believe you should have at least gotten a response from said FMod just to make sure you guys were on the same page.

Furthermore, I do not believe you can report a Forum Moderator to FMR because they did not take a look at your report in FH. You can only report them if you believe an action they have taken against you (or someone else for that matter) has been deemed against the rules and/or inappropriate. Remember, they are not obliged to look after FH. It's totally voluntary so it wouldn't make sense for someone to report them because they did not take a look at one's report in FH.

I don't understand. I got a warning for not taking it to FH when I did. Yes the post in question was against the rules in my eyes, FH didn't remove it so the person who came across my FH post found it ok. I found this not acceptable so I took it too FMR where they hid post and gave me a warning, how is this fair?

06-Jun-2018 18:45:47 - Last edited on 06-Jun-2018 18:53:36 by Jaberwockish

Jaberwockish

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So this means FH have the last say. For example the post I'm talking about was discrimination against gender. I was contemplating hitting the triangle report button to have post removed straight away. I was shocked it wasn't removed by FH. So in the future such posts will remain, unless we choose to get a strike/perm ban to get these type posts removed?

In what way is this a good thing?

06-Jun-2018 19:24:46

Jaberwockish

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The forum mod not taking action is in fact an action taken by a forum mod.

When asking questions in FH, they often say take action to FMR if you don't agree with our moderation. It is also stated that once a forum moderateor has actioned or not actioned request that is the final decision, no other moderator can override the decision.

The post I am referring to I maybe able to discuss it briefly depending on moderator in question (in the future), but this does not mean post or action required will be moderated. If a Jmod deemed it to be actioned and removed post this means such posts in future will not be hidden or will not be actioned by Jmod as it's against the rules.

06-Jun-2018 20:17:05

Jaberwockish

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Wynd said:
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Oh, thank you for your response I didn't realize that was against the rules. The rules need to be made more clear.
It's against the rules to misuse FMR, as stated in the first post by Mod Meadows. If you check the last page of that thread, you will see Mod Meadows giving warnings and actually taking action against individuals that do not follow the guidelines posted on the first page.

As an example, take a look at this:

Mod Meadows said:
This is your final warning for misusing the thread.

This is your first misusing the thread.

This is your final warning before I will take action due to misuse of the thread.

It is not clear what you have done wrong.

I can not see anywhere where it states you can not report FH requests that weren't actioned.

06-Jun-2018 20:21:18

Jaberwockish

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@Wynd, thank you for understanding his post.

I wonder why he even mentioned 'warning' in the first place? Must of been to do with future use of FMR, even though I did use FH in the first place. Which must mean you some how need proof of using FH.

Also Wynd in your reply you stated a fmod can action another fmod when I have seen time and time again a fmod stating they can not action a fmods previous action, if there was one or not.

06-Jun-2018 23:35:24 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2018 00:33:33 by Jaberwockish

Jaberwockish

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Mod Meadows said:
Wynd said:
FiFi LaFeles said:
Well gosh.

Just read FMR (as one does).

Mod Meadows is as good as his word.

:D

Well done, that man !
I noticed this as well. At first, I thought Mod Meadows was bluffing. That is no more. :O


I told you I'm not hollow horse. ;)

Jaberwockish said:
This new rule I'm not sure about. As I went to FH, they didn't remove posts, so I took it to FMR - under forum mod involved I wrote something like took to FH but didn't remove post/s. In my summary I'm sure I also wrote Forum Moderator didn't remove post and explained reason why post/s should be removed. I got a warning for not taking it to Forum Help <- how can this be so when I certainly did? FMR also removed posts.


You didn't get a warning, so don't worry about that at all; I was just saying please try and go to FH again if you felt it wasn't actioned correctly. I actually also hid the posts in question so I am in agreement with you. Just encouraging you to try get a second opinion first. :)

You don't have anything to worry, it was just me saying that in future try a second opinion then go from there. :)

Sorry to have scared you.

Mod Meadows.
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So the rules have changed?

In the past we could not go to FH if you disagree with their actions. A Fmod would be quite firm with us and tell us to go to FMR. Since this has changed shouldn't the new rules be clearer and changed to reflect this?

07-Jun-2018 18:26:18 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2018 18:39:02 by Jaberwockish

Jaberwockish

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Where does it reflect that you do this Wynd? I have been around for many a year and I can promise you even if a fmod didn't action a request and you questioned it, depending on moderator you were often spoken to firmly and told to use FMR. Moderator can and have got quite upset.

This is a new rule to me. I can not see this explained anywhere, the rules around this needs to be clearer and to reflect this, how moderation works and what to do and how to approach FH.

07-Jun-2018 19:16:58

Jaberwockish

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@Wynd

And this needs to be clear, it certainly is not now.

Yes when a Fmod has actioned a post by hiding it, that in itself is an action. If a Fmod does not know, understand a request they can and do get requests viewed by other Fmods and Jmods. You often see them skipping past certain requests and it's not always because it's more urgent.

Yes they are volunteers this does not mean they have the right to hide a request because they don't want to moderate or volunteer their services to that particular request, that is not moderation and therefore should give up there moderation to someone who will do a thorough job.

Since the rules have become stricter the rules definitely need to become a hell of a lot clearer before any more action is taken. As it stands it is truly unfair to those who've already been moderated including myself.

I've been here for years and have never heard of this rule. No one has ever mentioned this rule. You are the very first one. And that is not good or fair on those that have been moderated on it now or in the past.

07-Jun-2018 22:12:43 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2018 22:14:38 by Jaberwockish

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@Aeroxmaster

How can you moderate on something that's not official?

How can you make the rules up as you go along?

This is a bit of a tongue twister:

In what way can a person understand why they were disciplined or how they were disciplined before being disciplined in the first place when the rules, which are not rules, that are not official, never were, how do you expect a player to use FMR effectively without being disciplined on it, until they have been disciplined on it, as I didn't know this rules until after I was not officially disciplined.

07-Jun-2018 22:54:48

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2_Tron said:
Loki said:
Mod Meadows said:

Quick Find Code:
Page:
Post:
Summary of issue:
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I don't think I've ever once used this template though lol. Using the QFC to the post is much easier than the thread QFC and adding a page number/post. :P I'm sure some of the FMods would prefer a direct post link rather than the thread, then having to manually go to the page and find the post on the page.
It is not a matter of what is easier nor if it is more direct & functional, ... it's a matter of are you able to exercise / apply the rules of the OP correctly in yours posts or are you looking for making use of your own made rules?

The OP states, in both threads, that you should use the template in order to file a correct report. Anything else are your own made rules thus do not apply to these reports.

I have since not filled out temp plates due to being the whole thread. Just put title and QFC. That's all that's needed.

14-Jun-2018 11:16:40

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