Forums

Remove catpatchak

Quick find code: 278-279-793-66111678

of 4
Hmm
Jan Gold Premier Club Member 2016

Hmm

Posts: 12,076Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
The companion app being usable through a web interface is besides the point, firstly, captcha isn't a security measure by itself but one to mitigate abuse from bots, and secondly, you're going to be hit by a captcha at some point getting to the companion when it existed, such as making an account, if not logging into it.

The captcha is trying to prevent bots from using the site, if you're seeing click the images or write out the sounds or whatever, that's because your browser is giving off signs of not being a human through various metrics at a threshold (and in Googles V3 captcha, I believe these thresholds are variable).

So feasibly, Jagex could lower the threshold (account creation could be more demanding for authenticity than just a general log in), but I doubt they'll ever remove catpatchak.

21-Jul-2019 09:52:35 - Last edited on 21-Jul-2019 09:53:06 by Hmm

Tophurious
Dec Gold Premier Club Member 2014

Tophurious

Posts: 8,071Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Jack Flac said:
Tophurious said:
getting real fucking sick of the damn pictures every time i want to log in. just let us shit post in peace.
Cynic in my says they did it just so that less people would bother logging into the forums.


that thought was in the back of my mind as well. it's seeming more and more likely because i *really* have no desire to log in to the forums as often thanks to this bullshit.
channel the power of negativity
Your one stop shop for what you truly need:)

22-Jul-2019 07:25:34

Mod Lyon

Mod Lyon

Jagex Moderator Forum Profile Posts by user
Ignoring some of the more hilarious conspiracy theories in here...

Going to keep this short, we are never going to remove reCaptcha.

Original message details are unavailable.
the companion app could be used for the longest amount of time thru a web ui


One of the many benefits to removing the companion app. The game is another story, and comes with a huge amount of UX & UI problems, of which are no small pieces of work.

Original message details are unavailable.
Why would bots even logging into the forums? To auto spam / bump threads?


Bots wouldn't be logging into the forums. Bots would be trying to login. By removing reCaptcha, we would be removing a strong tool to help protect your account from brute force attacks.

As Miles Prower mentioned, the solution is for us to extend the session when logged into the website. However, if you're clearing your browser cookies often enough for reCaptcha to be a problem now, that won't solve your concerns.
Jagex Web Team

Twitter - @JagexLyon

22-Jul-2019 09:39:07 - Last edited on 22-Jul-2019 09:51:59 by Mod Lyon

Immortalized
Mar Member 2006

Immortalized

Posts: 32,823Sapphire Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Mod Lyon said:
Going to keep this short, we are never going to remove reCaptcha.

so jagex does not care that they are preventing chinese users from using their site.

the website already blocks IPs from logging in after multiple failed attempts. what is the purpose of captcha then?

this provides no benefit to users and the website already has a system in place to deal with bots trying to log into accounts.

we also have a 2fa method of securing our account which is literally unused on the website.

Mod Lyon said:
Original message details are unavailable.
the companion app could be used for the longest amount of time thru a web ui

One of the many benefits to removing the companion app.

companion app required google authenticator to log in. there was no need for captcha on it, because you needed 2fa to log in. this response makes no sense. why would having a web ui to log into a web app be a bad thing? did you even use this app?

Mod Lyon said:
The game is another story, and comes with a huge amount of UX & UI problems, of which are no small pieces of work.

this is my point. even the GAME and companion app have 2fa but the website does not.



the website hasn't been updated in forever and the latest update you guys do just makes it harder for people to use?
bring back the lumbridge pig pit

23-Jul-2019 10:14:35 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2019 10:27:36 by Immortalized

Hmm
Jan Gold Premier Club Member 2016

Hmm

Posts: 12,076Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
There was a blog a few weeks back saying that the websites are hoping to eventually have 2FA for log in in the next year, it says so here.

Original message details are unavailable.

Coming soon:
Email notifications and validations for account behaviour changes
Authenticator checks on the website


Captcha still serves many purposes outside of preventing people from bruteforcing passwords just to sign in. Removing Captcha would for example make it even more trivial for bots to create accounts in an automated fashion, Steam suffered from this problem hugely in the past few months and had to redo their account creation flow, part of which involved, adding a captcha!

As for the Chinese users, all I really have to say on that matter is that a country that specifically makes its infrastructure a hassle to work with is not looking for your best interests. The great firewall is a threat to all none chinese technology companies, why bother catering to a country that could cut you off for a million reasons at its own whim, and has been shown to regularly.

It doesn't help that China is up there in the rankings for fraudulent and automated abuse of systems to begin with.

23-Jul-2019 11:10:42

The contents of this message have been hidden

23-Jul-2019 21:34:23

Hmm
Jan Gold Premier Club Member 2016

Hmm

Posts: 12,076Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Stop deleting browser cookies and the captcha goes away, doubly effective if you aren't blocking Googles tracking.

23-Jul-2019 21:40:01 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2019 21:43:37 by Hmm

Quick find code: 278-279-793-66111678Back to Top