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I would like the thread The RS Wiki needs YOU! un-stickied in the General forum, it does not belong stickied there.

I find it wrong and unfair that a fansite has been stickied when there are other fansites that are dedicated to RuneScape, the community, they have been around for years with dedicated people that love the game who have spent years looking after and maintaining their site, keeping it safe for us and content available to help us get through sticky situations in-game we find ourselves in.

This favouring one site over another is wrong - what message does this give to the people of RuneScape, to our community? We at Jagex only trust this site, the other ones we don't support, we don't trust, we only back this site etc <- is this the way it is now?

RuneScape.wiki maybe more on-top with knowledge, with more vast information than other Runescape fansite sites (so I have been told), but this should not give them preference by being stickied in the General forum - other sites have wonderful information, presented differently, with a wonderful community that has spent many years keeping their fansite safe for us to use.

If other fansites come into General asking the community for help would they too be stickied?? I doubt it, but if one is stickied, shouldn't the other fansites be stickied too??
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26-Dec-2018 20:47:13

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Immortalized said:
Loki said:
Immortalized said:
Loki said:
Another part of favouritism that the Wiki gets over other fansites is the in-game title - the Wikian given to any of their fansite staff. What about all the other fansites and the hours of work they put in?

i did not know they got an in-game title. that's really biased. they should give titles to those who worked on the official wiki on runescape.com as well.
Yeah the owner of the RS Wiki has an in-game item which is a book that can be used on a player granting that player the title. According to the RS Wiki (lol), the owner picks those who have contributed to the site with multiple and credible edits - if Iím remembering the post correctly. I really donít agree with it at all, but this is sort of going off topic now to what the OP is wanting..

maybe OP should comment on it. I'm not sure where such a thread suggesting this removal would be appropriate.

I've never heard of this until I read your posts on the matter. Could you point me to more information on this? Is there a place where Jagex has written about this title? As this would be something I would be against.



Yes I use RuneHQ and yes I belong to RuneHQ, but I haven't posted there for a good year or more. I also use tip.it, reddit and there is another one I have gone into in the last month or so for information. If it comes up on Google and I know it's safe I will use it. I do all my RuneScape Google search on my phone only.

Also, it doesn't matter if I belong to a fansite or not for me to have my concerns, this is a legitimate thread which I feel strongly about. Those of you who know me on the forums would know why this topic is dear to me.
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27-Dec-2018 02:44:14 - Last edited on 27-Dec-2018 02:45:33 by Dong†U†Dead

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Loki said:
Support to be honest.

I don't know why it got stickied, and I don't particularly agree with it. While it's bound to happen anywhere in life, I've never liked favouritism and will never support it anywhere. Jagex has already handed the Wiki their own website to run so they do not have to deal with Fandom and their rules.

While they have every right to ask for assistance from the community to keep their site up to date with accurate information, I don't think they need a sticky for it. Also, with what Dong said - if another fansite posted a thread asking for help, would that be stickied?

Another part of favouritism that the Wiki gets over other fansites is the in-game title - the Wikian given to any of their fansite staff. What about all the other fansites and the hours of work they put in?


Edit:
Same thing happens with You Tubers, Streamers, popular people on Twitter and Reddit - those who have more of a fanbase/followers/more popular/famous will always be supported by a company - more than any other "lower" people/sites. RS Wiki is by far the largest fansite, so it's only normal that Jagex supports it further than all the others now.

Thank you for your words, I totally agree.
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27-Dec-2018 02:46:24

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Immortalized said:

a long time ago there was an in-game wide announcement across all worlds of the rs wiki being launched and party at their citadel. i found this not very kind to other fansites who have been around longer and work just as hard to be reliable resources

I miss this and it sounds wrong in so many levels, this thread is bringing out truths on how Jagex plays/supports the 'favouritism game' - I can't recall anything like this happening when I arrived in these forums in 2011, Jagex was extremely fair, we weren't even allowed threads discussing fansites or asking for the community import or anything <- I believe this was for the very reason of favouritism as Jagex supported all fansites equally. But boy has time changed.
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27-Dec-2018 02:52:13 - Last edited on 27-Dec-2018 02:53:28 by Dong†U†Dead

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Miu said:
The runescape wiki is no longer a mere fansite. Hover over the game guide. There's a link to it in the rs3 header. Jagex is hosting the Runescape wiki while allowing players to maintain control over it.

It should stay stickied.

It's no different than other websites dedicated to the game, giving information and the likes. It's really sad that Jagex has picked one of many to give support too. They should all be given equal support from the company - it's very sad the way Jagex is going.
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27-Dec-2018 06:45:24

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FiFi†LaFeles said:
I really don't understand what this kerfuffle is all about.

The Wiki is a highly informative, ad-free site so what's the problem?

The other, older fansites I occasionally still visit are riddled with annoying ads (so take longer to load) and are usually not updated in a timely manner.

Given that the Wiki is now clearly the superior site I don't have an issue in giving it a sticky thread to make people aware of its existence.

If other sites wish to usurp that position then they need to work harder and prove themselves to be superior in some way.

I have never had any problem with opening other fansites, I have never had problems with adds - I only had a problem with Fandom a while back, which I made a thread in General about, not to do with adds, just to do with being taken to a different site.

I hope if another fansite comes into general and asked for the community input it to gets a sticky.
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27-Dec-2018 13:50:35 - Last edited on 27-Dec-2018 13:50:53 by Dong†U†Dead

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FiFi†LaFeles said:
I didn't say I had problem opening other fansites. I said they feature adverts and are thus slower to download (due to more, useless, data coming down) than the Wiki - which is instantaneous. And I don't have to be distracted by a bunch of flashing banner or sidebar crap.

Additionally, the other fansites I sometimes visit take a very long time to get their guides up and running. RuneHQ took about a year to get an Invention guide, for instance, (an entry was made a month or two after the skill release but contained virtually no useful information and remained so for a considerable time).

Thus, Wiki is superior.

I have no idea why you are so outraged that a superior product is being advertised. I wouldn't want other, inferior, sites to be advertised.

Fandom was just as superior prior to Runescape.wiki than the other fansites - maybe it's the members involved, I don't know, anyway just because you are superior doesn't mean you should get all of Jagex abiding support, all sites should get Jagex priority, support, stickies help etc.

Maybe if Jagex put there name to all the fansite - runescape.tip.it, runescape.runehq etc that would solve the issue that most sites have with adds. But honestly I can't recall adds in runehq or tip.it <- be fair to all, give all their fansites a welcomed support, not just one.
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27-Dec-2018 15:05:25

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FiFi†LaFeles said:
No, Fandom wan't superior. It also carried adverts, lots of them, so was entirely on a par with the other fansites in that regard. To say that you don't recall other fansites with adverts is rather astonishing. I've got RHQ open in another page, looking at it right now. With adverts, same as it's always been.


".... just because you are superior doesn't mean you should get all of Jagex abiding support, all sites should get Jagex priority, support, stickies help etc"

No, that's not the way things work. Inferior products should not get help and support or be advertised. Why on earth would Jagex want to hitch their horses to a wagon with three wheels.

I meant superior in the fact it had all information and it was up to date with its information.

I have runehq open and not one add and I don't have add block on my phone. I have just spotted the add, I had to have a close look - one add is RS3, the other is two girls - I don't notice it on my phone, maybe because my phone is so small and I have to enlarge the page which removes seeing the adds. On a pc maybe more in your face. I don't use pc for this stuff. But I have no problems, the adds don't affect my search.

It would be nice if Jagex gave the same courtesy to all it's fan bases and removed adverts for them all.
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27-Dec-2018 15:36:17 - Last edited on 27-Dec-2018 15:41:27 by Dong†U†Dead

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FiFi†LaFeles said:


No, that's not the way things work. Inferior products should not get help and support or be advertised. Why on earth would Jagex want to hitch their horses to a wagon with three wheels.


This is a game and this game has dedicated fansites who love Runescape, they should all have Jagex support, not just the one fan site, runescape.wiki - they are very lucky to get this support and I find it sad that other fansites can't have this same privilege.
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27-Dec-2018 15:40:31

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FiFi†LaFeles said:
There is no justification to advertise or give to support to sites which are inferior to the Wiki.

If other sites want this accolade they need to provide better than their current offerings, knocking Wiki off the top spot. That's simple competition - a winner and the also-rans.

In years past, Jagex did indeed support other sites (see Louiellen's posts). Despite this, those sites were never top-drawer and still relied on income via advertising.

I can't imagine why Jagex would want to endorse second-rate products or services. Just as I can't imagine why you are so fluffed up about a bunch of web sites with which you are not connected. It's baffling.

And so did wiki until Jagex decided to help them recently.
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27-Dec-2018 16:10:43 - Last edited on 27-Dec-2018 16:10:57 by Dong†U†Dead

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FiFi†LaFeles said:
Oh wait - I assume you mean so did the Wikia have adverts on it?

If that is your point .... the people running the site got off their arses and did something about it. They hated the way it was so decided to try to change it (successfully, as it happens).

The other sites ...... did nothing.

You might want to read this article in it's entirety:

https://runescape.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Leaving_Wikia

So they recognised their shortcomings (actually the shortcomings and failures of Wikia), and migrated. This involved a lot of time, effort, planning and innovative thinking on their part.

The other sites seem content to do nothing and wallow in the mud.
It is fitting they be ignored.

Yes it was put under-wraps possibly they didn't want other fansites taking this option, maybe Jagex asked them to keep it quiet, I don't know, I can't answer that.

I still feel all fansites should be able to get Jagex support if they choose too.

Having threads like the runescape.wiki in General in the past would have been locked, it wouldn't have been allowed - all this has changed recently, only because Jagex has supported this one fansite. I wonder if other websites came in here prior to this and done this would of they got the same support, would of they got stickied etc - I doubt it, I truly doubt it.

Maybe it's who you know and this is how this came about - I don't know I can only presume. But I hope Jagex has the same courtesy towards other dedicated sites.
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27-Dec-2018 16:49:30

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I was accused of despising runescape.wiki in another thread, I do not despise them, this thread is not about not liking or hating on or what ever you want to call it towards runescape.wiki. This thread is about other fansite or help-site (whatever you choose to call them) get the same support as runescape.wiki has gotten from Jagex.

I also don't feel runescape.wiki should be stickied. I feel it's fine as a thread in general and believe it should be un-stickied.
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27-Dec-2018 17:04:15 - Last edited on 27-Dec-2018 17:26:12 by Dong†U†Dead

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Miu said:
Dong†U†Dead said:
@FiFi La Frou, I'm making no more of a song and dance about it than what you have over the last few or more pages.

I just feel runescape.wiki should not be stickied in the general forums, I have no problem with the thread being in General forum.


Runescape.wiki has a link in the header bar under the Game Guide section. Runescape.wiki is owned by Jagex. Jagex has every right to sticky a thread to help improve a site owned by them and draw traffic towards a site they own, as opposed to the wikia, which has malicious ads and is a direct threat to the runescape community's well being.

I didn't realize it was owned by Jagex. I thought they just supported it.

So they close the one down associated with this website to own another years later - go figure.
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27-Dec-2018 23:03:18 - Last edited on 27-Dec-2018 23:05:10 by Dong†U†Dead

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Liebster said:
Hiya

for you two, Draco burnz & Tophurious, I have to admit that I think Dong's right. I can't even understand why this has been "discussed" that much.

It's an easy thing: Jagex favors one fansite. No matter if it is the best in their eyes or whoever's eyes or the best one in fact. This is doing some site a favor that other sites don't get. The other sites also put lots of effort into their work and may be dedicated and don
t get this advantage. That's not fair. Instead of helping one site maybe Jagex should create a sticky in general where all recognized fansites are listed and stating that they all need help.

And the thing with the spokesperson that Louiellen has brought up - Do I really need to be an official spokesperson to bring up injustice? I don't think so. Mainly the other fansites are meant to complain via the official ways they have if this bothers them. But ordinary players can also speak up for what they believe is just or unjust.


Just my two cents
Liebster

Thanks for your words Liebster.

Can I ask you, it was mentioned Jagex owns runescape.wiki and therefore they have the right to give this site as much support as needed - does this make a difference towards how much publicity/support this site gets over other fansites/help sites?
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30-Dec-2018 12:19:47

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Tuffty said:
A lot of the adverts it was showing were RWT adverts.

I have never seen any of these, it's a sad case when fansite, people that love the game sink to advertising such sites. I have also never seen such adverts on other fansites I have ventured.

Also, I feel just because you don't do something, try something, own something, high up in something you shouldn't be able to fight or suggest for something.

For example, I am against leeching, I feel it's a form of cheating not playing the game or gaining xp without lifting a finger, similar to botting I suppose and because I have a stance against leeching I have and I also should be able to put a stance (thread on matter) against such activities if I choose to again in the future. Same as this thread I don't feel rune.wiki is the type of thread that should be stickied in General, I have no problem with it being in General just with the sticky and I should be able to and I have done made a thread on the matter.

We should be able to speak up if we don't agree with something.
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30-Dec-2018 16:14:54 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2018 16:16:14 by Dong†U†Dead

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Loki said:
Dong†U†Dead said:
Tuffty said:
A lot of the adverts it was showing were RWT adverts.

I have never seen any of these, it's a sad case when fansite, people that love the game sink to advertising such sites. I have also never seen such adverts on other fansites I have ventured.
Runescape Wiki wouldn't have chosen the advertisements themselves - I would've assumed that Fandom did, as they owned the actual website and set out all the rules.

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.
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30-Dec-2018 16:28:38

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@Liebster, are you going to answer the question I left for you?? and don't worry about Louiellen s/he often trolls etc towards me. I just ignore her baiting.

Loki said:
Dong†U†Dead said:
Tuffty said:
A lot of the adverts it was showing were RWT adverts.

I have never seen any of these, it's a sad case when fansite, people that love the game sink to advertising such sites. I have also never seen such adverts on other fansites I have ventured.
Runescape Wiki wouldn't have chosen the advertisements themselves - I would've assumed that Fandom did, as they owned the actual website and set out all the rules.

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.

I remember a year or more ago now, in Runescape reddit right at the top of the forum was an advertisement for RWT and I reported it several plus times before it was removed.
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30-Dec-2018 16:31:46 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2018 16:35:33 by Dong†U†Dead

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Wilf said:
The big time gaps between posts that occur also suggest there isn't much interest in the thread from forumers either so another reason why I don't think it really merits being stuck

Never thought about this Wilf.

We can all be rude Fifi, usually when I am rude everyone jumps in and it may flare up, when others are rude it get bypassed - go figure...
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30-Dec-2018 18:12:03 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2018 18:12:35 by Dong†U†Dead

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Tuffty said:
Tuffty said:
It's my understanding until the RS Wiki is better known it's a temp sticky thread.

I don't think it will be there for ever only for a short time.

I see no harm with it there as the Wiki is growing by the day.


I posted that on page 1 and people are still going on about it having a dab of glue..... :P

It would do just as well on page one without the glue.
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30-Dec-2018 18:55:24

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