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Liebster
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Hi there,

I'd suggest that there should be a beginners forum again. The forum should be revamped and be published again. The main reason why I request this is because of RSMobile coming and then maybe coming tons of new players that may need some guidance on the forums. It is better to have a beginners section and no one's coming than not having a beginners section and tons of new players are coming.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. Maybe even some suggestions what should be put into this new old forum. :)


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02-Dec-2017 22:58:57

Spearmint30
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This would be a great idea if we assume that the players will come to the forums for advice. With more popularity and community presence on social media sites like Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit, the players are likely to go there for input from other players and Jagex.

For what it's worth, I'd love to see more players come to the forums that would require (re)implementation of a feature such as this. Unfortunately, I'm of the opinion that the only reason the forums are still online is because there's a couple hand-fulls of die hard forumers that continue to use it which forces Jagex to occasionally acknowledge their existence.
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03-Dec-2017 00:13:29

Applejuiceaj
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The idea for a welcome forum has always been good - it was a well liked idea when it was suggested by a fairly well known forumer close to 4 years ago (the last Welcome to the Forums forum was introduced in early 2014). The issue came, however, with the implementation and execution of the forum, and it really didn't end up working out as it was designed to.

I wouldn't characterize it as a place that had lots of spam threads as Draco has put it, but I would characterize it as a place that became used for a number of things that belonged elsewhere. For example, from what I can recall, at the end of its life, it was quite cluttered with threads requesting account assistance; these threads weren't able to be moved the Account Help forum as it was one that was still in its sticky-only stage, and to keep the atmosphere welcoming, moderation in there wasn't much of a thing - after all, a forum section of nothing but locked threads wouldn't look very welcoming, would it? :)

The goal of the forum the last time around was to provide a place where forumers could find information about the forums, introduce themselves to the forum community, and to ask any questions about using the forums, and ultimately was meant to be a stepping stone to using the rest of the forums. Most of those who posted, though, weren't looking for advice about the forums - they often looked for the first spot that had open thread creation, and posted about whatever they wanted to, with it often times best fitting elsewhere. This kind of thing still happens today, too.

03-Dec-2017 05:11:43

Applejuiceaj
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With all of this said, I'm curious as to what kinds of things you were thinking of that the forum would be used for. Was it for new forumer advice, or was it more for new players to the game as a whole (for questions about game content rather than foruming)? There are quite a number of deltas between those two themes of course, and it isn't quite clear which you are wishing to suggest here.

If for questions about game content, then a good portion of my above post might not be relevant, but the portion about it potentially having content which fits better elsewhere could still be valid. With some of the forums lacking a little bit in activity, could one or more of the existing sections be used to serve this kind of purpose? For example, the RuneScape Guides & Advice forum is a combination of the Guides forum with the old Monsters forum (for advice regarding monsters and the best way to take them down) and the Skills forum (for advice and discussion regarding skilling, such as the best way to train up a skill) - could game related questions go there?

03-Dec-2017 05:11:49

Liebster
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Hiya,

Spearmint30 said:
[...]I'm of the opinion that the only reason the forums are still online is because there's a couple hand-fulls of die hard forumers that continue to use it which forces Jagex to occasionally acknowledge their existence.


Lol :D.

Now to the points, ApplejuiceAj has brought up.

The forum is meant for new forumers' advice or a basic introduction to the forums with threads that may be also helpful for more experienced forumers.

I'd like to leave it open to discussion what threads it should contain but here are my basic thoughts:

- How to use the forums: forum ranks, who can post, how to post images, how to use text colors, basic explanation of FMR + forum help + Fmods

- Questions about the rules: This may be combined with the "Ask an FMod thread"

- Ask an Fmod: General questions directed to FMods, maybe also questions about the rules and hidden posts/locked threads

- Introduce yourself: The title says it. Either there's a sticky for that or everyone may post their own thread to introduce oneself.

- Forums Overview: A short guide to the existing structures of the forum and where to post what + Hot topics

- Information about player and forum moderators and community helpers: Currently located in "Community Home"

- Beginner's forum chat lounge

- Guide to Account Security: Always important and maybe there should be one guide already within the beginners' section

- Code of Conduct explained: A longer explanation with examples of the Code of Conduct

- Good forumer guide: A guide with hints on how to post good replies and how to use the forums in a very appreciated way

These threads should be within a beginners' forum. But these are just my initial thoughts - maybe some of the topics can be combined - I've split them because people rather tend to read a few short topics than one huge guide. It's debatable whether there's an option to create threads or not.


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03-Dec-2017 17:26:32

Stoat King

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This is a nice idea, but I fear the fiasco that was the 'Welcome forum' will only repeat itself.
As I remember the person who promoted it to Jagex in the first place ended up, not just disappointed, but quite upset about the whole sorry business.

For such a thing to work, I'd guess it needs someone to oversee it.
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And contrary to AppleJuiceAJ's claims about there being little moderation in the welcome forum, for most of its existence the front page was mostly locked threads. 'Wrong place'.
Thats what upset Sookie so much - that the 'welcome forum' she pushed so hard for very quickly became overtly hostile to new players.

I fear this idea - like all the other good ideas various forumers have pushed for to make this place better over the years - is doomed.

Maybe your 'noone can create threads' idea is enough to make it work?

Anyway, good luck with it. Good ideas.

03-Dec-2017 18:06:39 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2017 18:07:40 by Stoat King

Post
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I definitely support a return of this kind of forum so long as it is also a 'welcome' forum where people can also post "I'm new here!" threads.

I also quite like your ideas, Liebster, about what it could be used for on the beginners side of things. (I obviously think the forum should be enabled for all to create their own threads.) Fansites have had somewhat similar setups in the past to what you have suggested – most memorably, RuneZone had a similar forum section explaining the ins-and-outs and dos-and-donts of that particular community, albeit in a locked forum where people could only respond to (some) existing threads, not create new ones.

I believe allowing the forum to also be used for welcome posts would be beneficial as it would allow people to see how fantastic the forums can be and get a few basic, newbie and small questions answered and out of the way and not be put off by standing on ceremony. They are new, they need to learn, and they need some leeway.

As others have suggested, we don't want people to be off-putting by being overly moderated in their first forum experiences, and these basic, newbie, small questions should be allowed in this beginners/welcome forum – for example "how do I get a Refer-A-Friend bonus?" or "Does anybody know of some questing clans that are recruiting?". IMO, these sorts of simple questions asked by new players don't warrant moving the entire thread to the "proper" forum section, especially if they are paired with a welcome or introduction message.

Moving them for seemingly a debatable reason puts people off the forums. (Shameless plug – this may be less of a problem if some of the sub-boards were combined as to give fewer options, IE in the clans section!)

Looking forward to seeing where this discussion goes :)
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03-Dec-2017 23:51:44 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2017 23:55:44 by Post

Wolfblue42

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I'd prefer if it was just mega sticky threads on the general stuff returning/newbie player would need.

I'd envision history repeats itself if you let them make topics. But not being able to make topics lets people have their mega threads for people to use for years to come, and the spam stays at the end of the threads assuming you leave the topics open for people to post on.

Guides have the juicy stuff in the front and then the most recent questions at the end, assuming people hang around to keep helping them out. That's how the old support section was just people helping out in like 3 stickies. Having a few open should maybe limit the problem I guess.

I see a few people ask for help in lounges as is, they get their help then the convos move on and then its buried so its not that disruptive. So won't give the image of overlocked and hostile cause no locked topics, just giant threads. So I think stickies are more ideal.

04-Dec-2017 03:46:06

Liebster
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Hiya,

the problem with the former fiasco is something I didn't know about. Now I'd like the players on my thread to decide whether:

Option A) Only stickies to post in on this forum. This would mean no one can create an own thread and there's just an "Introduce yourself" sticky that gives people a chance to say "Hi I'm new" and to others to say "Welcome :) ". I'm personally in favor of this idea since the beginners' section didn't seem to work out well with everyone being able to create a thread as mentioned above.

or

Option B) Everyone can create threads and minor questions that could be placed in a different forum may be posted.


Concerning the sticky in "General" forums - this one could be made, too. Maybe linked to some sort of guide, like this guide.


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Liebster
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05-Dec-2017 14:38:22

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