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Armed Saint
May Member 2019

Armed Saint

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I just want to give my opinion about the latest news about the cosmetic poll and perhaps have a discussion to find out what other players think about this.

Personally i would like to say that i am not necessarily against these cosmetic changes that Jagex is proposing, although i can't avoid getting a flashback to my days on RS2/RS3 when they started implementing similar changes and we all know how that eventually went.

Except for the emotes that are suggested in the poll i would vote yes to the rest of the questions that are on the list, IF i could trust that this wouldn't lead to a future for OSRS that involves micro-transactions and adding of a bunch of pay-to-get cosmetic junk that will eventually bloat the game.

But my main concern with this poll is trust, i just want to say that i don't accuse anyone at Jagex to be a liar, i have a huge amount of respect for the people involved with this great game. But having played RuneScape since 04/05 and experienced first hand what a complete disaster RS2/RS3 became i just don't have any trust anymore.

Does anyone trust anything in todays society?, i mean we have presidents, politicans and media lying constantly nowdays without anyone reacting to it anymore. So when it comes to this poll that is proposed, i want to believe you Jagex, i want to believe that it won't eventually end up just like it did with RS3, but i just can't.

And i know you say you promise, but who can tell if that promise will be held to in a year or two?, greed is the most powerful force in the world and there are always unknown factors that may affect these promises, for example Jagex was recently sold to a north american based company, i don't know how or if this will have any effect on how Jagex is runned but it could be one factor that makes these promises meaningless.

So i will most likely vote no to all these poll questions, not because i am against them, but for my fear that this is a small stepping stone towards RS3.
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01-Jul-2019 19:07:46

Iron Robsham
Aug Gold Premier Club Member 2018

Iron Robsham

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I get what you're saying, but if Jagex really are as untrustworthy as you fear then your vote doesn't matter, because they will do whatever they want one way or another anyway. Personally I think it better to trust in the current team, which I think is pretty decent, and let them make minor changes that they think will help bring more players to the game.

After the fate of RS3, and the absolute hole that OSRS was in before they started updating it, many people at the company must have thought they were in the end days. The fact that they have managed a recovery to the extent that they have with the popularity of modern OSRS is almost unheard of in video games, and I'm sure that fact isn't lost on them, so I don't expect them to repeat the failures of the past tbh. And if they ARE going to repeat those failures, like I said at the beginning, there's nothing any of us can do to stop them.
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01-Jul-2019 19:24:48 - Last edited on 01-Jul-2019 19:27:28 by Iron Robsham

Clawdragons
Jan Member 2019

Clawdragons

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My biggest worry is that a lot of these things could come off as super trashy.

Like, the different skin colors really change the look of the game. I don't like the purple skin color, and don't really want people running around with a rainbow of colors. Whether or not it leads to microtransactions isn't the point, it just looks bad.

I think that the home teleport animations and the house themes are good ways to go with this - those are things I wouldn't mind seeing added into the game outside of a promotion.

I am as against microtransactions as anyone else you'll meet, but I also do think that the game desperately needs new blood, and so this has put me in a bit of a conflict. If done appropriately, and if they don't keep stretching the boundaries, then I think this is fine. But unlike some others, I don't think there needs to be a nefarious plot in order to to move us closer to the nightmare hellscape that would be a compromised OSRS.

I don't think this is a conspiracy, but I also don't think it was a conspiracy the first time either. I don't think when certain updates were made, the idea was "this brings us closer to our eventual goal of microtransactions, MUAHAHAHAHA!"

It was probably more along the lines of, well, the players seem okay with this, and it's not really much different from what we're currently doing, so what's the harm in going that slight step further?

I think what would be useful for updates like this would be a sort of OSRS constitution, which sets limits like were laid out in the blog post, and which would be substantially harder to bypass than most content.

But then, as I said, I do think new players should be encouraged towards the game, which makes my stance a bit muddied.

01-Jul-2019 20:07:31

Angel2D4
Jun Member 2019

Angel2D4

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Armed Saint said:
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And i know you say you promise, but who can tell if that promise will be held to in a year or two?, greed is the most powerful force in the world and there are always unknown factors that may affect these promises, for example Jagex was recently sold to a north american based company, i don't know how or if this will have any effect on how Jagex is runned but it could be one factor that makes these promises meaningless.

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There's even more to it than this.. and btw, I agree with what you're saying.

The PENDING (and potential) sale of jagex is going to be on hold until the Chinese courts finish their auction of at least that portion of Fukong.

I'm not yet able to find much info about Platinum Fortune (the company that seems to want to purchase jagex) so there's no real way to estimate the potential for 'damage' at this point.

What I did notice about the news post was.. quite comical, actually. MTX was NOT listed under their "promises". It was nothing more than a statement that they wouldn't add them.. not a "promise" they were willing to list.

Even if it were a promise (which it wasn't) there's no possible way of knowing just how the new owners will want to run things. Only time is going to answer those kind of questions.
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01-Jul-2019 20:15:15

Joe Bill64
Oct Member 2018

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And to think that cosmetics started with pre-paid subscription cards iirc. (RS3) I was buying them at the time, before I could pay in other ways; even before that I paid via phone and mailing my cash. :) Green skin was just a perk of the card and I was naive to the explosion of mtx that would eventually invade; after those.

We (community) have to be careful what we let in. These small cosmetics 'seem' harmless and what can they hurt? Well... these same tactics were used right before the Squeal aka TH was forced on us. Not saying that will ever happen, lol Jagex says it won't in bold print, but we need to voice where we stand.


I want OSRS to do well, and keep doing well. If it means teaming up with 3rd party companies to do so... so be it. However, it's scary to think of the bloat that comes along with offering these types of promotions. At the very least I hope some of these that enter will at least remain Old School in nature... If it gets bad 'again' I will be strongly turned off from playing. :/

02-Jul-2019 00:33:56

Teequoze
Jan Member 2018

Teequoze

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I agree with your trust issues and I think hiding the poll results is one of those small steps u mentionned. But im not against these cosmetics. I think your confusing with solomon's store (rs3).
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02-Jul-2019 14:12:41

Notcool97
Dec Member 2016

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I think everything in the game should be possible to acquire by playing the game, not exclusively through spending real life money or having a subscription to some sort of jagex '"partnership". If this passes a poll I could see it being seen by the higher-ups as a softening in osrs players' stance to MTX, even if the poll/devblog states otherwise. They should let rs3 be a Guinea pig for partnership deals and leave osrs out of it.

02-Jul-2019 17:53:40

John is sexy

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Personally, I couldn't care less. I can understand why fearmongering is a very legitimate concern, however. L2PK nubnubs. Can't do that? L2escape nubnubs. Can't do that either? L2not enter the wilderness nubnubs.

02-Jul-2019 19:05:41

Armed Saint
May Member 2019

Armed Saint

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After reading on the r/2007scape about this and what ModMatK said i am firmly against this cosmetic proposal, it's one thing if you could unlock the cosmetic changes later in the game as you gain higher levels, but being able to buy these directly is nothing else but mtx and it should not be allowed. I am saddened that Jagex once again has set their aim to destroy RuneScape, ruining RS2/RS3 obviously wasn't enough. "We are never deceived; we deceive ourselves." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man." - Friedrich Nietzsche

03-Jul-2019 16:26:39 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2019 16:29:25 by Armed Saint

Mr Acis
Jan Member 2019

Mr Acis

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This poll is all about trust. Setting a precedent with a poll, that can be later be used to justify adding content with requirements from outside the game.

Imagine an ex alcoholic asking you for a sixpack of beer for his friend, would you trust him to not drink any of it? You probably can, but still don't want to take the risk.

I'm all for Jagex running promotions and finding new ways to get revenue without affecting the game itself, even if it's only cosmetic.

Adding to this, the subscription should cover all in game content and I personally take a hard stand on that. A promotional cosmetic should be available to everyone at the same rate without shortcuts by signing up for an additional service.

03-Jul-2019 16:40:28 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2019 16:52:37 by Mr Acis

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