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Fukong Interactive, Jagex's owner, reported reported Bond and Subscription revenues as 2 different categories according to their 2017 and 2018 official financial reports.

http://file.finance.sina.com.cn/211.154.219.97:9494/MRGG/CNSESH_STOCK/2018/2018-6/2018-06-02/4491886.PDF

http://file.finance.sina.com.cn/211.154.219.97:9494/MRGG/CNSESH_STOCK/2019/2019-6/2019-06-15/5437523.PDF

Bond revenue was £21.1 mil in 2017 and strangely dropped to £1.1 mil in 2018. Either Bond really did extremely poorly or Jagex used a different accounting method to report Bond revenue in 2018. This may also mean in 2017 Bond might be reported as MTX revenue but in 2018 only a large portion of Bond revenue was reported under Subscription.

Either way, since Bond revenue was isolated from Subscription in both years' reports, Bond can't be completely viewed as pure subscription revenue anyway.

Make your own interpreatation yourself. I just give you the facts. :)

05-Jul-2019 04:12:09

Dilbert2001

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cooke fletch said:
Penguin Lord said:
not only are bonds microtransactions, they are very blatant pay to win. in a perfect would they'd be removed from OSRS
If bonds are pay to win, so is membership.


Yes, members definitely pay to get a lot of advantages over free players.

That's why I never find any form of MTX unfair because just like the real world, everything is just pay to win and we just need to live with it.

06-Jul-2019 00:47:03

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Angel2D4 said:
Oh and to add a bit more to that point..

I could remain f2p and buy bonds that translate into coins.. membership has nothing to do with pay to win.


So could you remain f2p and buy bonds that translate into not just coins but also TH keys or RC. TH keys and RC are not pay-to-win neither because you can get them totally free from playing, just like Bonds.

What these all mean is regardless if you think Bond is MTX, both OSRS and RS3 are not pay-to-win at all because MTX is play-to-win but not necessarily pay-to-win in the game... and what makes both OSRS and RS3 not pay-to-win is because of Bond.

06-Jul-2019 00:50:34 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2019 00:53:33 by Dilbert2001

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the bot dib said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Angel2D4 said:
Oh and to add a bit more to that point..

I could remain f2p and buy bonds that translate into coins.. membership has nothing to do with pay to win.


So could you remain f2p and buy bonds that translate into not just coins but also TH keys or RC. TH keys and RC are not pay-to-win neither because you can get them totally free from playing, just like Bonds.

What these all mean is regardless if you think Bond is MTX, both OSRS and RS3 are not pay-to-win at all because MTX is play-to-win but not necessarily pay-to-win in the game... and what makes both OSRS and RS3 not pay-to-win is because of Bond.


I find OSRS to be pay-to-win.


Jagex reported just £1 mil (or about 1%) of their revenue as Bond revenue. Even if Jagex was MTX it would only be very very very very very mild pay-to-win. :D

06-Jul-2019 04:00:48

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Nikolas10181 said:
Lol that 1m is what went to treasure hunter they used to put bonds in mtx but now they put the rest of it in membership to try and hide just how prevalent it is unless you are going to tell me that 20m of people buying bonds just vanished in a year?

Jagex can call it what they want that doesn't make them not a mtx companies don't get to pick and choose what words mean otherwise they wouldn't call treasure hunter a mtx either.


Yes, that's exactly what I think happened to Jagex's definitions of Bond revenue. And that's also exactly my point that it is not very useful to argue minor things like the definition of Bond or is it MTX particularly when MTX is not actually properly defined IRL.

Anyway, we see Bond revenue was £20 mil in 2017. I believe Jagex logged most of it as MTX last year, that's substantial MTX. Yet, did that substantial Bond revenue as MTX kill the game? I don't think so. Content matters much much more than MTX.

06-Jul-2019 17:33:42 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2019 17:34:12 by Dilbert2001

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Nikolas10181 said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Nikolas10181 said:
Lol that 1m is what went to treasure hunter they used to put bonds in mtx but now they put the rest of it in membership to try and hide just how prevalent it is unless you are going to tell me that 20m of people buying bonds just vanished in a year?

Jagex can call it what they want that doesn't make them not a mtx companies don't get to pick and choose what words mean otherwise they wouldn't call treasure hunter a mtx either.


Yes, that's exactly what I think happened to Jagex's definitions of Bond revenue. And that's also exactly my point that it is not very useful to argue minor things like the definition of Bond or is it MTX particularly when MTX is not actually properly defined IRL.

Anyway, we see Bond revenue was £20 mil in 2017. I believe Jagex logged most of it as MTX last year, that's substantial MTX. Yet, did that substantial Bond revenue as MTX kill the game? I don't think so. Content matters much much more than MTX.


A good example is ironically enough WoW where you got mages, warriors with swords, a guy riding bike on a motorcycle. Take a guess which one doesn't fit in.


They guy who has been wearing Santa Hat and Halloween Mask, eating Pineapple Pizzas and ice creams, and the Penguin spying underwater with a Submarine in the Medieval Gielinor don't fit in. :D:D:D

06-Jul-2019 18:25:49 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2019 18:26:17 by Dilbert2001

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Nikolas10181 said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Nikolas10181 said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Nikolas10181 said:
Lol that 1m is what went to treasure hunter they used to put bonds in mtx but now they put the rest of it in membership to try and hide just how prevalent it is unless you are going to tell me that 20m of people buying bonds just vanished in a year?

Jagex can call it what they want that doesn't make them not a mtx companies don't get to pick and choose what words mean otherwise they wouldn't call treasure hunter a mtx either.


Yes, that's exactly what I think happened to Jagex's definitions of Bond revenue. And that's also exactly my point that it is not very useful to argue minor things like the definition of Bond or is it MTX particularly when MTX is not actually properly defined IRL.

Anyway, we see Bond revenue was £20 mil in 2017. I believe Jagex logged most of it as MTX last year, that's substantial MTX. Yet, did that substantial Bond revenue as MTX kill the game? I don't think so. Content matters much much more than MTX.


A good example is ironically enough WoW where you got mages, warriors with swords, a guy riding bike on a motorcycle. Take a guess which one doesn't fit in.


They guy who has been wearing Santa Hat and Halloween Mask, eating Pineapple Pizzas and ice creams, and the Penguin spying underwater with a Submarine in the Medieval Gielinor don't fit in. :D:D:D


Kind of does since it's british humour and this game has never tried to take itself too seriously your character kind of reflects that.


Huh? How come we have Christmas, Halloween, Easter events and such in Jagex's games?

06-Jul-2019 20:43:19

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