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Ancient Drew
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Hguoh said:
Sepulchre said:
My point is, a story has to have a storyline. Or else it's not a story, it's just a bunch of random 1-offs that mean nothing to the overall plot.


Until you get something that ties it all together in one culminating moment. And WGS and RotM did this incredibly well.
And there is capitalising space for the Enchanted Key. It could even be tied in with Xau-Tak, as this is probably the only way it could have known about the player back in the Second Age or earlier.
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15-Jun-2016 17:16:35

AesirWarrior
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Sepulchre said:
YES.
There SHOULD be a solid timeline. Do you have any idea how many inconsistencies there are with how smart/stupid strong/weak brave/wimpy etc. the Player Character is? I love the humor but sometimes the level of inconsistency is absurd, even by the standards Jagex sets for themselves with other updates!
And don't even get me start on the inconsistencies of how we read Xau-Tak's name in Sliske's book, yet Jagex has the nerve to tell me that when V mentions him to us in Hero's Welcome, we can canonically do that AFTER Kindred Spirits and the character says NOTHING?!
You can't tell me that your canon can say you did Lord of Vampyrium.. and killed Lowerniel Drakan BEFORE doing Death to the Dorge'shuun where you struggle to kill a freakin' guy in pink robes. That is inconsistency beyond redemption.


I disagree. I don't think it's some big problem. The point was always that it's your story and you play it the way you want. Runescape has always been about freedom to do what the heck you want and, with some exceptions (like the 5th vs 6th age), I see no reason to limit the story by trying to add a forced linear order to a bunch of unrelated stories.

Keep your headcanon-linear timeline, but it's completely unnecessary to force one and only one on everyone. If you desperately want one canon timeline then the closest you'll get is release order with some exceptions.

And come on, nobody struggled against Sigmund. The only people who'd struggle against him would be low-lvls (even that's a big if), which the quest was designed for seeing as it is intermediate, and they wouldn't have done LoV anyway.

15-Jun-2016 21:45:05 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2016 21:46:11 by AesirWarrior

Maiden China
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fairly sure all sixth age quests happen in order of release, so you can do ks before ooak in gameplay but not in story

fifth age quests are a bit more difficult, and in some cases it's up to the player to decide what happens after or before what... or just decide it doesn't matter

and yes, sigmund's difficulty comes from his ring of life, his army of goons, and his prayer powers, not his skill in combat. I get though that it's just one example of many... like being able to 'kill' khazard, a chap who (despite being one of the weaker mahjarrat) is fairly powerful even compared to many of the late-game bosses... before doing literally any quest. With windstrike if you so desire.
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16-Jun-2016 05:51:24

Sepulchre
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Idk. I can't think of any offhand, but I'm sure there are a TON of problems with doing things in different Questlines, when compared to other quests.
I bet somebody looks and goes "Wait.. but in that other quest x happened and..."
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16-Jun-2016 06:41:48

Maiden China
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Sepulchre said:
Idk. I can't think of any offhand, but I'm sure there are a TON of problems with doing things in different Questlines, when compared to other quests.
I bet somebody looks and goes "Wait.. but in that other quest x happened and..."
no doubt :P
but this isn't the sort of game that's going to make sense if you take a bit from here and a bit from there and try to mash them together... and definitely wont make sense if you look at the player (but then most games wont make much sense if you look too closely at the player... since that's mostly gameplay)
you just have to put the skittles and the smarties in different piles so no one gets confused
Carn

17-Jun-2016 00:52:45

Hguoh
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Maiden China said:
fairly sure all sixth age quests happen in order of release, so you can do ks before ooak in gameplay but not in story


This has never been confirmed by any means. If anything, it is directly contradicted by DAT's post-quest dialogue about Zaros' return requiring the completion of Fot* (thus if you hadn't completed Fot* prior to DAT, Zaros has not returned yet despite Fot* having come out earlier).

The main exception and confusion to this trend are the World Events (where BoL happens before MPD, TBatB comes after MPD but before TMF, and TC happens after all the other World Events). So even though they've already happened, when they actually happen in your character's timeline depends on when you complete certain quests and content.

17-Jun-2016 01:27:16 - Last edited on 17-Jun-2016 01:34:10 by Hguoh

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^ Heck, take Bringing Home the Bacon for example. That quest has to take place before a huge amount of quests. Any quest that involves people eating pork, or depicting people eating pork. The Cave goblin series for instance, or any of the fremmy quests in Relleka since you can see pig roasting on a spit.

17-Jun-2016 01:58:25

Ancient Drew
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Cthris said:
^ Heck, take Bringing Home the Bacon for example. That quest has to take place before a huge amount of quests. Any quest that involves people eating pork, or depicting people eating pork. The Cave goblin series for instance, or any of the fremmy quests in Relleka since you can see pig roasting on a spit.
It's a shame Tuska didn't die with an apple in her mouth.
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17-Jun-2016 06:21:09

Maiden China
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Cthris said:
^ Heck, take Bringing Home the Bacon for example. That quest has to take place before a huge amount of quests. Any quest that involves people eating pork, or depicting people eating pork. The Cave goblin series for instance, or any of the fremmy quests in Relleka since you can see pig roasting on a spit.
could, not can

they removed a lot, if not all, of the dead-pig-eating in runescape when they introduced that quest
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17-Jun-2016 18:07:40

Cthris

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Maiden China said:
Cthris said:
^ Heck, take Bringing Home the Bacon for example. That quest has to take place before a huge amount of quests. Any quest that involves people eating pork, or depicting people eating pork. The Cave goblin series for instance, or any of the fremmy quests in Relleka since you can see pig roasting on a spit.
could, not can

they removed a lot, if not all, of the dead-pig-eating in runescape when they introduced that quest

You're right, they did remove a lot of the mentions of pig. I didn't realize.

However, my example still holds up because they didn't remove mentions of bacon from the Borav dialog. Thus Bringing home the bacon would have to take place before When Guthix Sleeps

17-Jun-2016 19:34:52

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