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MasterOfMind

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Something I've just remembered from River of Blood is that while under the effects of the Wyrd's venom we hallucinate the Stone of Jas in castle Drakan and, earlier on, Vanescula mentions Drakan was obsessing over some "rock" and I think later on clarifies this was definitely the Stone of Jas.

Between which other owners did Drakan have the Stone, and why didn't he keep it? Becoming a god seems like something Drakan would have loved.

29-May-2016 04:12:17 - Last edited on 29-May-2016 04:13:28 by MasterOfMind

Hazeel
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It's difficult to say because fifth age questing and Mahjarrat Memories disagree with each other, so it's hard to tell if, say, Zemourgal knew about the stone....but we don't know how long Zamorak had it prior to getting the staff. Was it really a secret? If so, did only he know or did he share it?

My guess is that several prominant Zamorakians knew about the stone. Who knows? Maybe they had access to it? ...Of course, that begs the question why none of them (not even Drakan) were registered as False Users in OoaK.

Half Centaur said:
He never had it. He wanted it. Never got it though, at least to our knowledge.


Drakan: Do I seem a moody vyreling to you, sulking in my room? No, that 'rock' showed me the way - its loss merely delayed my plans.
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29-May-2016 04:20:22 - Last edited on 29-May-2016 04:22:49 by Hazeel

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Half Centaur said:
He never had it. He wanted it. Never got it though, at least to our knowledge.


It has to have been in Morytania at some point to create Daeyalt
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29-May-2016 06:25:51

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There are two time periods in which Drakan could have had access to the Stone: immediately prior to the betrayal of Zaros and in between Zamorak reclaiming the Stone and him using it to blow up Forinth*y.

Considering Movario's notes on Morytania from his research on the Stone and what we know of the Stone, the Stone could have been in the area in all of two time periods: prior to Hallowvale's fall (while the Stone was in Saradomin's possession) and after Zamorak reclaimed the Stone and before he used it to blow up Forinth*y.

Considering the RotM cutscene implicating the Fist of Guthix cave as the location Saradomin hid the stone in and the god's implication that very few or no other people knew of it's existence other than Zamorak, I think it's a pretty safe bet to rule out the Stone being in Hallowvale after Saradomin claimed it after Zamorak's coup.

This leaves a wonderful overlap between possibilities that points to Zamorak hiding the stone in Morytania after he somehow reclaimed it from Saradomin. During this time period and before Zamorak took the Stone into Forinthry, Drakan would have investigated and experimented with the Stone and it's byproducts.

29-May-2016 06:54:00

Hazeel
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Hguoh said:
This leaves a wonderful overlap between possibilities that points to Zamorak hiding the stone in Morytania after he somehow reclaimed it from Saradomin. During this time period and before Zamorak took the Stone into Forinthry, Drakan would have investigated and experimented with the Stone and it's byproducts.


Everything we know suggests the Gods fought over the stone as soon as Zamorak found it. Also, I doubt they happened to be fighting in Forinthry--the exact area Saradomin hid it--without reason.

And anyway, most of Morytania was Zarosian in the second age, so there's no reason to think it couldn't be there.
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29-May-2016 07:02:57

CD_Paladin_C
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This once again proves that the SoJ timeline is a complete and utter mess that jagex needs to clear up. "Your god's dead next time he's in a world event. "
-The Lore Community to our Saradominist Friends, Said During World Event 2, Proven During World Event 3.
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29-May-2016 07:11:29

Hguoh
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Hazeel said:
Everything we know suggests the Gods fought over the stone as soon as Zamorak found it. Also, I doubt they happened to be fighting in Forinthry--the exact area Saradomin hid it--without reason.

And anyway, most of Morytania was Zarosian in the second age, so there's no reason to think it couldn't be there.


According to the Virtus Book Flamtaer (now know as Mort'ton) was Saradominist immediately prior to the coup.

Based on the Ancient Spellbook teleports, which traverse most the empire and its borders, the area around Canifis (Northern Morytania) appears to be the only section of modern day Morytania to have been under Zarosian control (hence the presence of Viggora's Fortress). There is nothing to suggest that the empire extended any further South than that (especially considering Hallowvale, the city, was still Saradominist until early 3rd age).

As for why they'd be fighting in Morytania if Zamorak hadn't just found the Stone, recall Zemo's memory:

He was flush with his new divinity and his success on Infernus, and demonstrated his valour by declaring the entire former empire his domain and attacking almost all of the invading gods simultaneously, along with the remaining Zarosian loyalists.

In other words, Zamorak had made it his goal to reclaim the empire's territories. Considering this, it is fairly likely that Zamorak had reclaimed or was attempting to reclaim Forinthry prior to the final years of the war.

Now, consider this line from the DAT cutscene:

We have you surrounded, Zamorak. Your armies lay in ruins on all sides!

Wouldn't it be odd for Zamorak's armies (which appears to imply a lack of potential Zamorakian reinforcements) to 'lay in ruins' if he had just found the stone? Rather, it would appear that, by this point, Zamorak had had control of Forinthry before the alliance of Bandos, Armadyl, and Saradomin had pushed him and his armies back to this final stand.

29-May-2016 07:30:09

Hguoh
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Remember, we have little indication as to when the RotM cutscene occurs (other than it happening prior to Zamorak reclaiming the stone and after Zamorak's return to Gielinor). It's entirely possible that Zamorak took the Stone from Saradomin while it was at a different hiding place later in the war (there are a few thousand years to work with).

29-May-2016 07:33:01

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Or the solution to the situation could be a lot simpler than we think. There is something lurking about that looks very much like a Stone of Jas, but isn't. We potentially have a spirit form Elder, so why not an egg?

Hmmm.And as for what to do with it if we find it...?...!:D Slap it on top of the Armadylean Godlslaying tower and use it to incubate the egg instead. Now is that a plan?
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29-May-2016 08:09:26 - Last edited on 29-May-2016 08:13:38 by Solanumtinkr

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