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AesirWarrior
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I'm not sure if we can consider the Mousepad map as canon, since it was a player submission for a competition. I assume you are referring to this map?

A few notes:

2) Well, the Museum does date a lot of its other exhibits, but I suppose aside from the coins all of it's 4th age or later so fair point (edit: missed that you already pointed that out). A mod also mentioned that the Betrayal of Zaros happened in the year 1995 of the Zarosian calendar (year might be off by a decade or so, can't actually remember the exact date), but since that's not in-game it isn't necessarily canon.

10) The battle of Annakarl is seen in a cutscene in Ritual of the Mahjarrat, and it does give the exact date of 3100

12) I'd like to look for a source on that. Pretty sure all we know for sure is that there's Zamorakian coinage by 3740, and that in 3804 it's Saradominist, but we have no idea when Zamorak actually took control of the city. If it's after the city fell to a combined Zamorakian and Saradominist force, which the book of the gods vaguely claims was 100 generations after Zaros' fall, then he'd have had it for quite some time. It was in the hands of Zamorakian rebels for a very short time though after Zamorak left, if that's what you're referring to.

Also if I recall my Hero's Welcome lore right then the Fremennik lands never fell to outside invaders thanks to V.

13) According to Zemouregal's notes Azzanadra was imprisoned in Jaldraocht in the early years of the god wars, not near its end.

17) The 4th age is a bit too long as it is it still has to be pretty long to account for the mortal races (or at least humans) forgetting most gods other than Zamorak, Saradomin and Guthix. I imagine the Saradominist creation myth also developed during this time period. 500-1000 years should be enough though.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

04-Oct-2017 22:46:32 - Last edited on 04-Oct-2017 22:50:17 by AesirWarrior

AttilaSquare

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AesirWarrior said:
I assume you are referring to this map?
Yes, though the version I found on Google included Darkmeyer.
AesirWarrior said:
it was a player submission for a competition.
You have stirred the vaguest memory in me... Perhaps it undercuts my thoughts a little, but not too much.
AesirWarrior said:
A mod also mentioned that the Betrayal of Zaros happened in the year 1995 of the Zarosian calendar (year might be off by a decade or so, can't actually remember the exact date), but since that's not in-game it isn't necessarily canon.
Cool.
AesirWarrior said:
10) The battle of Annakarl is seen in a cutscene in Ritual of the Mahjarrat, and it does give the exact date of 3100
Thank you - good to know!
AesirWarrior said:
12) ...
Hmm... I've probably mixed my history up - working from memory from when this lore was originally released and from muddled accounts on the Wiki - I interpreted the claim that the Zamorakians held Senntisten for a brief time as referring to their possession of Senntisten in III.3740 rather than to the original rebellion. I guess my interpretation is still possible but no longer as compelling. The "100 generations" claim is also difficult to reconcile with my proposal, except that it is perhaps vague.
AesirWarrior said:
Also if I recall my Hero's Welcome lore right then the Fremennik lands never fell to outside invaders thanks to V.
That's fair. Then Zaros only needed to hold parts of northern Kandarin to reach the World Gate.

06-Oct-2017 22:49:45 - Last edited on 06-Oct-2017 22:52:01 by AttilaSquare

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AesirWarrior said:
13) According to Zemouregal's notes Azzanadra was imprisoned in Jaldraocht in the early years of the god wars, not near its end.
I should have double-checked this. It kills my proposed reading of the Godwars, which is based, in part, on inaccuracies on the Wiki - somewhere the Wiki suggests that the Kharidian did not suffer from the Godwars until the very end. This would have fit nicely with an account of Zarosian Senntisten holding out for six centuries (like Byzantium on the Bosphorus, while Forinthry suffered turmoil like the Western Roman Empire) - until it finally let the war spill into the Kharidian where Azzanadra was imprisoned amidst the last Zarosians. I will count this as the strongest point against my proposal.

Thanks for this, Aesir!

06-Oct-2017 22:49:57 - Last edited on 06-Oct-2017 22:52:39 by AttilaSquare

Aerak
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Have a list of what I've found to be the most feasible order for quests/world events.

Troll Warzone
Let Them Eat Pie
Wolf Whistle
Druidic Ritual
Death Plateau
Troll Stronghold
Troll Romance
Goblin Diplomacy
What's Mine is Yours
The Knight's Sword
Recruitment Drive
Witch's Potion
Pirate's Treasure
Vampyre Slayer
Ernest the Chicken
Swept Away
Rune Mysteries
Rune Memories
Imp Catcher
Cook's Assistant
The Lost Tribe
The Restless Ghost
The Blood Pact
Myths of the White Lands
Buyers and Cellars
Sheep Shearer
Stolen Hearts
Diamond in the Rough
The Tourist Trap
The Golem
The Jack of Spades
One Piercing Note
Rune Mechanics
What Lies Below
The Dig Site
A Soul's Bane
Demon Slayer
Abyss
Shield of Arrav
Gertrude's Cat
Gunnar's Grounds
Dragon Slayer

Perils of Ice Mountain
Song from the Depths
Enlightened Journey
Jungle Potion
Tai Bwo Wannai Trio
Fishing Contest
Merlin's Crystal
Elemental Workshop I
Murder Mystery
The Fremennik Trials
Olaf's Quest
The Tale of the Muspah
The Giant Dwarf
Mountain Daughter
The Fremennik Isles
Start Barcrawl
Waterfall Quest
Dwarf Cannon
Sheep Herder
Plague City
Sea Slug
Hazeel Cult
Tower of Life
Monk's Friend
Clocktower
Observatory Quest
Tree Gnome Village
The Grand Tree
Eyes of Glouphrie
Fight Arena
Hand in the Sand
Watchtower
Big Chompy Bird Hunting
Zogre Flesh Eaters
As a First Resort...
TokTz-Ket-Dill
Tribal Totem
Shilo Village
One Small Favour
Carnillean Rising
Biohazard
Temple of Ikov
Family Crest
The Hunt for Surok
Priest in Peril
Creature of Fenkenstrain
Nature Spirit
Rum Deal
Ghosts Ahoy
Wanted!
The Slug Menace
Quiet Before the Swarm
Witch's House
Lost City
Tears of Guthix
Hero's Quest

Eadgar's Ruse
Holy Grail
Elemental Workshop II
Scorpion Catcher
Kennith's Concerns
Underground Pass
Eagle's Peak
Cold War
Between a Rock...
The Feud
Spirits of the Elid
Icthlarin's Little Helper
Enahkra's Lament
Desert Treasure
Lunar Diplomacy
Throne of Miscellania
Horror from the Deep
Barbarian Training
Regicide
Catapult Construction
Roving Elves

06-Oct-2017 23:13:31 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2017 15:52:58 by Aerak

Aerak
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Making History
Monkey Madness
Hunt for Red Raktuber
Deadliest Catch
Elemental Workshop III
King's Ransom
Knight Waves Training Grounds
Dream Mentor
Royal Trouble
Forgettable Tale of a Drunken Dwarf
Spirit of Summer
Garden of Tranquility
Death to the Dorgeshuun
From Tiny Acorns
Animal Magnetism
Fairy Tale Part I
Grim Tales
My Arm's Big Adventure
A Tail of Two Cats
Contact!
Smoking Kills
Shadow of the Storm
Rag and Bone Man
Devious Minds
Shades of Mort'ton
Haunted Mine
Lair of Tarn Razalor
In Search of the Myreque
In Aid of the Myreque
Cabin Fever
Mourning's End Part 1
Mourning's End Part 2
Meeting History
Curse of Zaros
Darkness of Hallowvale
All Fired Up
Ratcatchers
A Void Dance
Another Slice of H.A.M.
Forgiveness of a Chaos Dwarf
Lost Her Marbles
Fairy Tale Part II
In Pyre Need
Legend's Quest

Elemental Workshop IV
The General's Shadow
Glorious Memories
Land of the Goblins
Hopespear
Swan Song
Recipe for Disaster
A Guild of Our Own
Love Story
Salt in the Wound
Defender of Varrock
Summer's End
Fur 'N' Seek
Skeletal Horror
Legacy of Seergaze
The Great Brain Robbery
Rocking Out
Within the Light
The Path of Glouphrie
Back to my Roots
Returning Clarence
Some Like it Cold
Fairy Tale Part III
Dealing with Scabaras
Missing my Mummy
Crocodile Tears
The Branches of Darkmeyer
Do No Evil
Our Man in the North
A Clockwork Syringe
Blood Runs Deep
King of the Dwarves
The Chosen Commander
The Void Stares Back
Temple At Senntisten
‘Phite Club
While Guthix Sleeps
The Prisoner of Glouphrie
The Firemaker's Curse
The Elder Kiln
The Lord of Vampyrium
In Memory of the Myreque
River of Blood
Curse of Arrav
Nomad's Requiem
Ritual of the Mahjarrat
Koschei's Trouble
The Brink of Extinction
The World Wakes

06-Oct-2017 23:13:52 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2017 15:53:44 by Aerak

Aerak
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Back to the Freezer
A Shadow Over Ashdale
Tribute to Guthix
God Emissaries
The Battle of Lumbridge
The Rebuilding of Lumbridge
Bringing Home the Bacon
The Death of Chivalry
Birthright of the Dwarves
Missing, Presumed Death
One of a Kind
Mahjarrat Memories
Fate of the Gods
Bandos vs Armadyl
The Mighty Fall
The Tuska World Event
Call of the Ancestor's
Invasion of Falador
Hero's Welcome
The Light Within
Nomad's Elegy
Kindred Spirits
Gower Quest (?)
Children of Mah
Impressing the Locals
Sliske's Endgame

*Back to the Freezer is really weird timeline wise because of time travel.

06-Oct-2017 23:14:31 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2017 15:54:27 by Aerak

Heidly Ees
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Oh dayum.

I live for threads like this. Gotta love them timelines man.

One thing to point out: you frequently mention the Kharidian Desert during the God Wars. I can't remember the exact timescale, but surely it wasn't all desert at that time?
I'm just a man; I'm not a hero.
Just a boy who had to sing this song.

15-Oct-2017 20:50:33 - Last edited on 15-Oct-2017 20:52:00 by Heidly Ees

AttilaSquare

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Heidly Ees said:
Oh dayum.

I live for threads like this. Gotta love them timelines man.

One thing to point out: you frequently mention the Kharidian Desert during the God Wars. I can't remember the exact timescale, but surely it wasn't all desert at that time?
Hey, Heidly Ees,

The Kharidian Desert would have been at least partially desert since before the Godwars, since Tumeken sacrificed himself before Zamorak's rebellion. How far north the desert would have extended immediately afterward or how quickly the desert encroached upon Hetland and the Strait of Senntisten (my names, based somewhat on the mousepad map) is unknown.

I like this shortened timeline, and the idea that the Kharidian was wholly Menaphite and largely undisturbed until the fall of Senntisten near the end of the Godwars, but Aesir pointed out above that, according to Zemouregal's notes, Azzanadra was imprisoned in Jaldraocht at the start rather than at the end of the Godwars. This kind of kills my simplified reconstruction of Gielinor's history, but I like it anyway.

Thanks to Aerak's posts, I have realized that the third part of my thread is simply another variation of Robo Hobo's much more developed thread on a canonical order of quests - mine abandons the requirement that most 5th age quests occurred in the year 169 and doesn't attend as much to start and end locations or at all to quest difficulty, but may provide an easy enough method for ordering the quests.

16-Oct-2017 01:37:39 - Last edited on 16-Oct-2017 01:38:58 by AttilaSquare

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