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Rowanius
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Lore establishes the Temple Knights as Saradomin's elite knight order dating back the Third Age.
Then, we have warpriests of Saradomin, devoted soldiers fighting under Saradomin, from the Battle of Lumbridge later on.

So... how do we treat these two together? Are they separate? Or are they, in a way, related?
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18-Mar-2017 07:54:28 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2017 08:18:01 by Rowanius

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IIRC GWD1 lore says that during the God Wars the Saradominist church was militarized and Priests were turned into Soldiers in Saradomin's army. That's why there are priests in the God Wars dungeon, and I imagine Warpriests are of similar origin.

As for the Temple Knights, they were Saradomin's personally chosen warriors, and had great power and authority throughout his lands. Supposedly he chose them because they were the knights that guarded his very first temple. They became a secret organisation after Saradomin's departure to protect themselves from Saradomin's enemies... Or at least that's the story Savant told us. Wanted makes it clear that most of the details behind their origin is classified.


So I imagine Warpriests are members of the church, while Temple Knights are a seperate organisation fighting under Saradomin's personal instructions.

18-Mar-2017 16:18:59

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There does seem to be a bit of a semantic fine line between warpriest and paladin. I'm guessing the White Knights are more paladins, the righteous warriors. Whereas war priests are priests who've been armed. To further confuse things, there are the Ardougne "Paladin" NPCs. My head hurts now. TFW You can't decide between support Zamorak or Zaros.

19-Mar-2017 02:44:26 - Last edited on 19-Mar-2017 02:45:54 by NachtWeaver

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NachtWeaver said:
There does seem to be a bit of a semantic fine line between warpriest and paladin. I'm guessing the White Knights are more paladins, the righteous warriors. Whereas war priests are priests who've been armed. To further confuse things, there are the Ardougne "Paladin" NPCs. My head hurts now.


I think the Ardougne ones are modern day, versions, unimpacted by the godwars, therefor much weaker.
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30-Mar-2017 19:15:43

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Could the Temple Knights actually be like a secret police of sorts, that came from an idea that started off on Teragard? Saradomin mentions that he used to chase criminals and help to keep order and peace, which is what a policeman would do.

Now, a secret police would have to be covered in mystery and well hidden, as well as being a very powerful group indeed. They could even be an intelligence group. This is suggested through the Temple Knight series, when the player has to ask Sir Amik if they could join the White Knights, and then twist things around with Tiffy so that we could join the Temple Knights. Then we go through some tests of logic to officially join them, make clever usage of the CommOrb to communicate with Savant who is a Temple Knight operative, learn that the Knights sealed off Mother Mallum from the rest of the world, and aided in killing her off. I predict that more shenanigans will be afoot in DOC2, and Sir Owen will appear and put some of the skills he has as a Temple Knight to use.

The White Knights are considered equal to the Kinshra, and they're an offshoot group of the Temple Knights. And since it was at the Third Age when the Temple Knights were founded, they probably would have done a lot of sneaking around, turning the tide of battle or aiding in setting up alliances and recruiting so that the Saradominists could win. Even Zilyana may not know a great deal about them; it may even have been them who planted the amulets there on Saradomin's orders.

I'm not sure about the Warpriests, but the Temple Knights must be extremely powerful. Look at Sir Tiffy; an old man sitting there with his cup of tea who could take on Hazeel and Khazard? Aid or no aid, that's nothing to be sniffed at.
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30-Mar-2017 21:21:05

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Ancient Drew said:
The White Knights are considered equal to the Kinshra, and they're an offshoot group of the Temple Knights.
I thought the Temple Knights were an offshoot of the White Knights?

Either way it's pretty obvious that they operate as an intelligence agency; the CIA to the White Knights' Armed Forces.
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31-Mar-2017 01:42:43 - Last edited on 31-Mar-2017 07:05:36 by Raleirosen

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Way I figured it, Warpriests might just be the equivalent of D&D Clerics in the sense that they're trained to fight for their god/with divine magic (prayers) but can still do other religious duties on a local level during their downtime.

Meanwhile, Temple Knights might not bother with the day to day religious community stuff and focus more on the bigger threats and stuff that traditional forces can't/won't handle for whatever reason.
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31-Mar-2017 02:53:49

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The impression I got (though I don't really have anything to back this up) is that there is no actual organization of 'warpriests,' but rather there is this new armour, specially crafted and blessed in the 6th Age to recognize and honour the most devout warriors of these gods. In that way, 'warpriest' would be more an honorific for a fighter who has shown tremendous accomplishment/leadership/courage/whatever in the name of god. Don't ask me what this means for Tuska. I don't think we see any NPCs wearing this beyond the Lumby Crater priest.

I think the inspiration and role for the Temple Knights is meant to be pretty transparent. They're the Knights Templar, the most elite faction of warriors engaged in holy war, an order of the church, unbeholden to the laws of man, their rites and organization secretive and occasionally subject to suspicion. They're not priests, but they do have holy vows and take Saradomin as their highest authority.

Interestingly, the Knights Templar were the world's first international bank and multinational corporation - which ultimately led to their power becoming a threat to the king. Would love to see RS take some inspiration here.

I don't recall references to Paladins outside of the Ardougne boys. Plague's End establishes that Paladins explicitly serve the king, rather than the church or the principality, under the principle that he rules with the divine mandate of Saradomin. In that way, they're more of an honour guard.

White Knights are a 4th Age Asgarnian organization (though I guess Temple Knights adopted that as part of their ladder at some point). While Temple Knights exist to eliminate threats at any cost, at the imperative of Saradomin, I think White Knights are more beholden to Saradominism - the principles, not the god or his mouthpiece. They're more transparent, and explicitly a civic organization.

31-Mar-2017 06:27:59

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Rondstat said:
White Knights are a 4th Age Asgarnian organization (though I guess Temple Knights adopted that as part of their ladder at some point). While Temple Knights exist to eliminate threats at any cost, at the imperative of Saradomin, I think White Knights are more beholden to Saradominism - the principles, not the god or his mouthpiece. They're more transparent, and explicitly a civic organization.
I think you're totally off here, the White Knights are an explicitly military organization that trains and fields soldiers, with the Temple Knights being the more civic organization that employs contacts and other intelligence gatherers rather than just warriors; for example, Savant is a librarian.
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31-Mar-2017 07:05:04

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