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I'll be talking about Vindicta's lore, lore from the King Black Dragon and lore concerning the One of a Kind quest.

I've lately been looking stuff up about Ilujan*a.

Knowing that Vindicta's parent is Morvannon, Morvannon was killed by Zamoraks Hellhounds at the end of the Second Age, possibly at the beginning of the Third Age. Meaning that Vindicta as an egg had to have been laid before then.

We also know that Gorvek rescued Egg Vindicta in the early Third Age

This means that Vindicta, at least as an egg at the time, has been alive since the Third Age.
Though we don't know when she hatched it's still a massive time of the start of the Third Age through the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth ages.

Vindicta is one old Ilujan*a.

Though I'm not done yet.

We also know that Hannibus had family back on Iaia due to the ending of One of a Kind where we meet his great-great-great-great-granddaughter, Sharrigan.

Hannibus came to Gielinor in the Second Age and did not return to Iaia before we meet Sharrigan, meaning that Hannibus also had either a son or daughter back on Iaia before the Third Age on Gielinor.
We also know that Hannibus did not know he had a 4x-great-grandaughter as in conversations in One of a Kind he tells her "It was good to have met you."
So it stands that though the Ilujan*a have an infertility problem, they weren't completely devoid of births during the time Hannibus was on Gielinor.

Vindicta on Gielinor has lived through 6 Generations of Ilujan*a on Iaia.

Just how old can Ilujan*a get? Is Vindicta special in some way that has allowed her to stay alive this long? Or are there still multi-great grandparent Ilujan*a alive on Iaia?
And if they do live that long, why would Sharrigan and possibly many other young Ilujan*a be preparing the species extinction when they could live for centuries more?

One last thing to really take in. The Fourth Age lasted 20 centuries. Vindicta is over 2000 years old.
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15-May-2016 19:28:44 - Last edited on 16-May-2016 08:06:51 by ZevrantáBapt

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Vindicta was raised by Gorvek near the QBD's prison. The dev's excuse Vindicta's ridiculous age by claiming that their proximity to said prison and it's stasis spells essentially slowed how both Vindicta and Gorvek's experienced time.

In essence, Vindicta experienced far less time than the years that have passed since she was laid.

15-May-2016 20:26:25

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From what I can remember, Mod Avatar said in a live stream Vindicata is so long lived as she was put in status around the Queen Black Dragon so survived similarly to how Hannibus did.

Its worth noting The Watch who made GWD2 are a completely different team with style and agenda from The Dukes, who created One of a Kind and Hero's Welcome. One of a Kind was purposefully designed to be reminiscent of popular aspects of While Guthix Sleeps and the Dukes chose to do the most quests this year meaning they chose to do updates with figures with long lore histories. In short, the Dukes made a dedicated effort to engage and appeal with the lore. The Watch in many regards in the opposite. They chose to develop Call of the Ancestors because they didn't want to have to work with races with long lore histories. Furthermore, they were the only team this year to chose not to do a quest until the schedule was shifted and they were made to develop Fate of the Gods 2. If you go back to the livestreams discussing the tales of the god wars, you will see the developers don't really tend to answer the lore questions seriously and are more "Oh look how cool this is". Whilst this might work on the PvM crowd (different strokes) it doesn't really provide a well explained backstory for the generals.

So yeah. The explanations for the GWD2 generals backstories were deliberately left open so there is no in game explanation and I doubt one will come soon. Mod Avatar's statement about the Queen Black Dragon prolonging Vindicta's life is likely the best you will get for a long time and even that raises several unanswered questions.
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15-May-2016 20:34:58

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Hmm. Well I guess that'll have to suffice for now then.

I'm personally really interested in the Ilujan*a, I just wish we knew even more about them and their world.
As Mr. Mordaut says about Hannibus. "Still, perhaps there is hope that we might see him again in the future."

Especially with Zaros back, with his promise to the Ilujanka as seen in Last Riders.
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15-May-2016 20:55:59 - Last edited on 15-May-2016 20:56:44 by ZevrantáBapt

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Well, Vindicta was under protection from the stasis spell that existed over the Queen Black Dragon. Hannibus was stoned... err, I mean he was a statue.
but as for Sharrigan, she is said to be Hannibus' great-great-great-great-granddaughter. She is his child's child's child's child's child's child. That's 5 generations that have happened since he was gone. assuming the Ilujan*a came towards the end of the 2nd age, the Gielinorian God Wars lasted for about 4000 years, the 4th Age, as you pointed out, lasted 2000 years.. the 5th Age lasted only 169 years, and we are in the first year of the 6th Age.
That means that, in the span of around 6170 years, only 5 generations have passed for the Ilujan*a. Funnily enough, if you divide 6170 by 5, that actually comes out to 1234.. So, does that mean the average expected lifespan of an Ilujankan is 1,234 years?

Edit: Mis-spelled the word "generations" as genreations.
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The others already pointed out about Vindicta.

There's another way to look at it.

In some lores, "older" races tended to trade off fertility for lifespan. They could live longer, but have children less frequently.
In addition, the Ilujan*a come from a world where they lived Agrarian lives and had virtually no known predators or conflict (the concept of war was relatively foreign to them). So the only things that would typically kill them were accident, illness, or essentially old age.

But yes, by the time Zaros came to them, they were aware of their fertility issue.
A number of their race left to go to Zaros' wars. but they didn't completely commit their numbers.
Since they reproduced via eggs like reptiles or bids, it is possible the females that departed, left behind a number of eggs to at least try to have hatched, even if they were gone.

Even then, with generation after generation of declining birth rates, it would take a long long time for them to reach the point where even though they mathematically "could" reproduce, the odds were against them.
Without wars or outside calamities, here we are, thousands of years laters (since the time of the God Wars), the Ilujan*a have finally reached their critical mass/fated end and have simply accepted that there is nothing else they can do. Even the addition of Hannibus and Vindicta to their numbers wouldn't do much to stave off the inevitable. At best, it could buy them one to more more viable generations.

Their only help to have a future would have been someone with the understanding of the sciences like Kerapac, or a high tier god who can weave energies and change mortals (basically Elder Tier Gods)*

**;dr
Their lifespans in general could be long, simply because they are and don't have much that would kill them off quickly.
Hannibus and Vindicta's lifespans were not naturally extended, but instead used stasis.

16-May-2016 06:33:22

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Sepulchre said:
Funnily enough, if you divide 6170 by 5, that actually comes out to 1234.. So, does that mean the average expected lifespan of an Ilujankan is 1,234 years?


Makes me wonder if Sharrigans exact quote is not accurate, but just shortened for the sake of ease. Her quote is "I am also Hannibus's great, great, great, erm... great granddaughter."
That 'erm...' could mean that she doesn't know how long ago exactly and just leaves it at that.
But that just makes everything even more vague and creates more questions.

sir eos lee said:
In some lores, "older" races tended to trade off fertility for lifespan. They could live longer, but have children less frequently.
In addition, the Ilujan*a come from a world where they lived Agrarian lives and had virtually no known predators or conflict (the concept of war was relatively foreign to them). So the only things that would typically kill them were accident, illness, or essentially old age.

Their only help to have a future would have been someone with the understanding of the sciences like Kerapac, or a high tier god who can weave energies and change mortals (basically Elder Tier Gods)


Even more questions about the lives of Ilujan*a, ones I would love to have a solid answer to at some point.

Talking of Kerapac and Gods who can weave energies, I would love to see a follow-up to One of a Kind, where we possibly have to choose between Kerapac and Zaros who to focus on aiding the Ilujan*a.
If Ilujan*a do have such long lives, I can see logic in letting Kerapac investigate despite saying it could take decades. But then there's also the possibility that Zaros has promised Vindicta too and has possibly gotten closer to figuring out how to aid them than Kerapac currently has available. After all, Zaros has known about them for a much longer time, Kerapac had only recently found out about them.
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16-May-2016 08:45:46 - Last edited on 16-May-2016 09:25:40 by ZevrantáBapt

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ZevrantáBapt said:
Sepulchre said:
Funnily enough, if you divide 6170 by 5, that actually comes out to 1234.. So, does that mean the average expected lifespan of an Ilujankan is 1,234 years?


Makes me wonder if Sharrigans exact quote is not accurate, but just shortened for the sake of ease. Her quote is "I am also Hannibus's great, great, great, erm... great granddaughter."
That 'erm...' could mean that she doesn't know how long ago exactly and just leaves it at that.
But that just makes everything even more vague and creates more questions.
It is also possible the 'erm...' was just because she forgot where to stop with the 'great' and remembered to add one more. :P
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16-May-2016 08:53:21

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Sepulchre said:
ZevrantáBapt said:
Sepulchre said:
Funnily enough, if you divide 6170 by 5, that actually comes out to 1234.. So, does that mean the average expected lifespan of an Ilujankan is 1,234 years?


Makes me wonder if Sharrigans exact quote is not accurate, but just shortened for the sake of ease. Her quote is "I am also Hannibus's great, great, great, erm... great granddaughter."
That 'erm...' could mean that she doesn't know how long ago exactly and just leaves it at that.
But that just makes everything even more vague and creates more questions.
It is also possible the 'erm...' was just because she forgot where to stop with the 'great' and remembered to add one more. :P

Exactly my point with it being more vague.
It could be either, and we don't know which. And either of them lead to very different ages.
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16-May-2016 09:21:57 - Last edited on 16-May-2016 09:22:09 by ZevrantáBapt

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