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So I shared my Draynor theory, and people didn't kill me for that, so I thought I'd share some of the other theories I have. Instead of making a bagillion thread I'm just making one. I'm not going to claim I'm the first person who's come up with this stuff though. I'm well aware that a lot of these theories contain stuff others thought about long before me.

I'll start by sharing some of my own theories, but hopefully people will start sharing their own. Think of this as a place to do that.

My Theories:

- Draynor Was Banished For Being Zarosian: Draynor didn't want to betray Zaros with his siblings and so Lowerniel cast him out. See the other thread for this theory.
- Avernic Theory: Demons are more powerful when they're closer to The Heart of Pandemonium.
- Guthix and The Chosen One: Entertaining fan theory, but not very serious. Guthix might have made us the World Guardian because he met us in the past.
- Enchanted Key: The Enchanted Key's creation is a time loop
- Dragon Theory: A little headcanon about dragons and Camorra, very little evidence****;DR: Dragons were stronger in the 4th age, but we then chased underground and into the wilderness in the 5th age.
- Wyrm Theory: Wyrms are alive and in The Eastern Lands. They are similar in appearance to real life "Chinese Dragons".
- Bane Theory: Bane does not need to be attuned to harm Dragonkin. Banes natural state is to "hate" the kin.
- Green Order Theory: Trying to make a seemingly outdated lore story make sense.
-Sliske's Plans: Sliske wanted our soul so that he could be fully immune to the power of the gods.
- Robert the Strong: This is by far the best one (and the one most likely to be true). I believe Time Travel is an integral part of Robert the Strong's story.

More to be added as I come up with more stuff (or remember other theories I've had).
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:07 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:33:01 by AesirWarrior

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Cool Theories From Other Players in This Thread (if it becomes popular that is):
- Lethalintent: Sliske primary motivation is his fear of death.
- Big Storms: The Illujanka are becoming infertile because their world is old and its anima mundi is fleeting. Their similar origin to Dragonkin also escapes the link they appear to have with Dragons.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:14 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 22:15:49 by AesirWarrior

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Avernic Theory

I believe that Avernic Demons are more powerful the closer they are to The Heart of Pandemonium. Basically, if they're far away they're weak, if they're close they're strong. I think it's the source of their power and they constantly draw energy from it. Some stuff that could support this theory:

Hazeel's memory claims they generate the energy they need within themselves, OR from some other place:

Even more so than Mahjarrat, they seem to generate the energy they need within themselves, or perhaps they channel it from some other place. Unlike a Mahjarrat, they leak this power constantly in the form of heat pouring from their bodies. This is why they combust on death.

The Avernic Book claims they are born from The Heart of Pandemonium, and that it burns within each demon:

The heart of Pandemonium is an eternal, burning fire. From fire all demons are born, and to the fire they shall return. The flame of Pandemonium burns within each demon, sustaining their vile thirst for destruction.

Now, of course, you could argue that the fire within each demon is independent and only returns to the heart upon death. However, it's also possible to interpret it as demons are constantly drawing power from it.

Agrith Naar was more powerful on Infernus! He can throw lightning bolts and create huge storms that he can't otherwise.

This is really what sparked this theory in the first place. Why would Agrith Naar not be more powerful back home if it wasn't the source of his power? Of course you could (again) argue that he's not usually connected to the heart and the reason he's more powerful back home is because he can "connect" to it, as opposed to it having anything to do with distance.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:19 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:00:31 by AesirWarrior

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A few relevant quotes from Shadow of The Storm:

Agrith-Naar is not so much a demon as a force of nature. While he is in his own dimension his evil magics can reach everywhere in the world. - Father Badden

If Agrith-Naar were to be removed from his own dimension he would be unable to work his magic on the world, and so I came to believe that summoning him would not be an evil act, but a good one. Therefore I secretly studied the forbidden books and conducted magical experiments, until I had discovered the means by which Agrith-Naar could be summoned... - The Confession of Ellemar

So the reason he assembled us was to send him back to his own plane, where he would be much more powerful! - Matthew

That's it for Theory #1. I'm also trying to figure out why some demons can only be harmed by silver/darklight while others can be harmed by anything. I suppose the ones that can only be harmed by Silver/Darklight are usually ones that have only recently been summoned.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:24 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:01:44 by AesirWarrior

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Guthix and the chosen one:

I have to admit. This isn't really a serious theory. Think of this like headcanon, or even fan fiction. It's an interesting notion, but little more.

What if the reason Guthix chose us to open the gates to his resting place was because we met him back in The late 3rd/early 4th age? Kind of makes sense, doesn't it`? After witnessing this strange traveller enveloped in his own power, who might even spoil stuff about the future, doesn't it make sense that he'd watch out for us?

Ok so Guthix made us WG because he already met us in the past, but... there is more. After meetings us it seems logical that he'd keep an eye on us. Did you ever find it strange how often we were in the right place at the right time? What if all along Guthix was guiding us to where we needed to go? What if Guthix used us as a tool to help keep Gielinor in balance? And once we were ready, he took us to his resting place so he could give us one final gift...

It's all one big time loop! Wonderful, isn't it?
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:28 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:03:07 by AesirWarrior

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The Enchanted Key's Creation:

We know from The Light Within that the enchanted key was made by Seren and the elves, but where did they get the idea from? Well...
It's another time loop!

What if Seren and her elves tried to create The Enchanted Key in an attempt at replicating The Enchanted Key that Seren saw us using back in Meeting history?!
If you use the Enchanted Key on Seren while in her broken state you get the following dialogue:

You! You gave me hope...that I could fix...but I couldn't.

So Seren sees us with the key. It gives her hope that she can fix the elves' situation. However, it's a failure because the key is very limited in its power. It might seem a bit too coincidental that Seren just happened to be in the right place when we Time Travelled, but it's implied in The Light Within that the key has a mind of its own. It could have engineered it so everything happens/happened as it should.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:32 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:03:40 by AesirWarrior

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Dragon Theory:

I always found it strange how Camorra was made out to be this huge hero for killing the dragon Garak. I mean, with some exceptions, most dragons really aren't that powerful. I know the player is incredibly skilled compared to most npcs, and just because we find fighting them easy doesn't mean it's necessarily easy for them, but Camorra is compared to Arrav! In the Hero's guild her statue stands next to the great hero of Varrock, who fought Zemouregal! Heck, it takes 300 quest points before Xenia admits we might be comparable to her! There's no way just killing a dragon is going to be as impressive as that. Even by npc standards killing a dragon isn't that hard. Just look at all the dragon heads rich people decorate their houses with.

So Why is Camorra a legendary hero? Simple, dragons were stronger back in the 4th age. I admit this is bordering on fan fiction territory (pretty much everything I say from here and out is speculation) but hear me out here. I think that back in the 4th age dragons were a much, much bigger threat. They flew around burning and eating whatever they wanted and were far too fast for most archers. What Camorra did was so impressive because at the time there was no such thing as dragonfire protection and dragons were almost impossible to catch.

What changed? The 5th age happened. Once humans mastered magic Dragons became much easier to kill. They were hunted down and chased into caves or The Wilderness. That's why you almost never see dragons out in the open anymore. They're hiding from humans. Ok, so why would that make them weaker? Simple, they're starving, with almost no source of food or exercise. Not to mention most of them are in areas where they can't fly.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:36 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:05:16 by AesirWarrior

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One final thing, Elvarg. Why would Elvarg be considered such a big threat? I have to admit I've had some trouble fitting him into my theory, but I believe I have an answer. With most Dragons deep underground, and with most of Crandor's city lying on wharfs and piers, the citizens were quite simply not prepared for a dragon attack. I also suspect that before this point, Anti-Dragon shields and potions were either rare or non-existent. After Crandors' destruction in 139, Misthalin and Asgarnia might have created Anti-Dragon shields and Antifire Potions respectively, out of fear of another dragon attack.

Garak:
Alternatively, Garak could just have been a really special dragon (he was named after all). Hey, who knows, maybe he was a dragonkin mistaken for one!
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:40 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:05:55 by AesirWarrior

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Wyrm Theory:

The colossal wyrms, of whom today's dragons are a pale reflection, turned all the sky to fire, while on the ground armies of foot soldiers - goblins and trolls and humans - filled the valleys and plains with blood. - Juna

This is one of the only references to this seemingly extinct race. Here's what we know about them:

- They were related to dragons and could breather fire.
- They were stronger than (most) Dragons.
- Stryke***ms are (supposedly) descendants of Wyrms/ evolved Wyrms.
- You can summon a small spirit-Desert Wyrm with 18 summoning.

So we have a large serpentine species related to dragons that haven't been seen in centuries. Now, don't you think that sounds familiar? Almost like a Chinese Dragon, isn't it? The Desert Wyrm certainly looks like one. The Runescape version of China, and the rest of Asia, is of course The Eastern Lands. We also know from the legendary portal in ports that they have creatures similar to Chinese Dragons. So... What if Wyrms are not extinct and instead still live in the Eastern Lands?
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:44 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:07:24 by AesirWarrior

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Bane Theory

This is a theory I'd say has a lot going for it.

I'm positive that Dragonkin are naturally weak to bane (think Kryptonite) and that the metal doesn't need to be tuned to harm them. In other words, Bane naturally "hates" Dragonkin.

Consider the following:

- The Kethsians managed to kill their first Dragonkin using bane. To attune bane to a creature you need their remains, something that the Kethsians obviously wouldn't have if it was their first kill.

- Bane seems to be created by the SOJ. The Dragonkin are bound to the SOJ. Maybe it's related to the curse somehow?

- Hero's welcome has several references to Bane harming Dragonkin. The dagger could have been attuned, of course, but the tons of rock that fell on Tarshak probably couldn't (unless experimenting on it had something to do with that). You could argue it was the sheer weight of the Bane that harmed him, not the metal itself, but we know from Phalak's experiments that he was (probably) far too durable for that. It also seems a bit strange that the quest explicitly points out it's bane if it doesn't matter.

Experiment Log - Abomination tissue samples
Resistance to heat, cutting, acid and magic all in excess of samples taken from Dragonkin, human, elf and troll control subjects. Analysis at the smallest level shows a level of integration between muscle and bone that makes it difficult to tell where one ends and the other begins. This would lead to a level of flexile movement unthinkable in all but deep-sea creatures while retaining a bone density equal to refined dragonite.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:49 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:25:42 by AesirWarrior

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Green Order theory:

On the lore page of the website (Runescape.***/lore, btw don't read history of gielinor it's even more wrong than it's supposed to be) there's a story called A True and Concise History of the Discovery of the Runes. It's set sometime in the 5th age and has an old man reminiscing about the discovery of runes in the late 4th/early 5th age. Now, when this was released, I'm positive that the idea was that V------- was going to be a character who lived in the 4th/5th age. So the original intention was probably that "the man in the north" referenced in the story was V.

Now there's obviously been a change in plans and we know V probably found the Stone of Jas in the early second, or possibly late first age, but that doesn't make this story non-canon or anything. The "man in the north" is never referred to by name so he could be someone else. Who is this mysterious person who supposedly discovered Magic in the early 5th age? The founder of The Green Order of course! Look at this quote from Rune Memories.

Since Guthix guided my order's founder to the rune essence cave, the tower has struggled with the problem of transportation - Az*is the Green

Note: After looking at the story again it seems the references to it happening in the fourth/fifth age have been removed. Interesting, it seems this could be about V after all.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:56:57 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:27:02 by AesirWarrior

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Sliske's "Plan":

(only part of his plan sorry, not the full thing)

Sliske has a chalkboard with a mahjarrat (likely himself), soul runes and chemical equations. He also has a book written by a Terragardian Magister about the nature of the soul and how it might be possible to transfer one.

He's clearly been looking into soul transfusion, and we know from the end of the quest that he actually figured out how to do it. In fact, the entire quest is about making our soul compatible with his, which he's apparently been trying this entire time.
Why did he want our soul? He wants our soul so that he can protect himself from the gods during his endgame!
I also liked Lethals idea that he's afraid of Death. By taking our world guardian powers he's ensuring that he'll be safe from whatever powers comes his way. I also suspect he's going to take a fair amount of risk during his endgame.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 20:57:01 - Last edited on 25-May-2016 00:16:23 by AesirWarrior

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^ Hi Leth

Robert the Strong and Time Travel:

ANOTHER TIME LOOP!

After having a few discussions with lore peeps, and rereading Roberts notes from RoTM, it seems incredibly likely to me that time travel is a big part of Robert's story. Forget the other theories, this is pretty much canon in my eyes. There's far too much stuff supporting it

Dear adventurer, Welcome to Kethsi. I'm sorry that I have no means of knowing your name. I don't have much time before the magic takes hold and my reincarnation takes place. I also enclose a note to myself, which you must give me when you see me, but NOT as a cat. I enclose a necklace crafted by my sweetheart, Ilsinor. there is no other like it. You will need it to convince me that the note I sent myself is worth remembering. There is information on this island that will be needed if the enemy is not to overtake us all. It's protected by an ancient Kethsian puzzle. I enclose vital items to help you complete that puzzle. I hid them here many years ago to keep them from getting into the wrong hands.

Good luck.
-Robert the Strong
P.S. DKQ is a code which could become useful to you at some point.


Robert says that we have to give him a note when we see him, but not as a cat. The first assumption would be that this is sometime in the future when he's human again, but that might not be the case.

Dear Robert, I know none of this makes sense to you now, but I have seen the alternative, and this information is very important and should not be forgotten, not idly revealed. The code to what you seek is DIRAKS. You must preserve the secret at all costs and make sure only the right people learn it. This will not be the only time the enemy will rise. The stonetoucher must also know what to do. The Temple Knights will be at the start of the stonetoucher's trial. The animal is a cat. The time is plus 2139. Put the key to the secrets on your collar.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 21:13:08 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:16:07 by AesirWarrior

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Good luck.
-Robert the Strong.

Robert says to put the key to the secrets on his collar. But the thing is... The secrets are already on the collar! We all remember how we found the fairy ring code to Kethsi on Bob's collar, right? But this note, that we're supposed to give to Robert, that we haven't given to Robert yet says he has to put it on the collar! HOW COULD IT THEN BE ON THE COLLAR ALREADY?! Time Travel.

But wait, there's more. Notice that it says "The Time is Plus 2139"? 2139 years ago was the year 30 of the fourth age(actually 31 now since we're no longer in the year 169). Guess when Robert lived? The beginning of the fourth age!

It also says that the animal is cat, something future Robert would know, but past Robert who hasn't reincarnated yet wouldn't.

The code to what he seeks is DIRAKS (Kethsi). What is it on Keth*i that he seeks? The secret to bane ore! He needs bane to defeat the Dragonkin. It also says that he'll have to keep it a secret because this will not be the only time the enemy will rise. Robert is telling his past self that the fourth age is not the only time when the enemy (The Dragonkin) will threaten the world. The stonetoucher (us) will have to know what to do, which is why there's a note to us on Kethsi. He also says the Temple Knights will be the start of our journey, which is why their library has a note from him.

To learn the secrets of the dragonkin, the stonetoucher must first take the collar from my reincarnation. On it is the code to the plane of Kethsi and the key to the puzzle once he gets there.' - Robert the Strong.

Confusing? Yeah it kind of is. I hope I explained it in a way that makes sense. I'll try to explain it somewhat linearly now:
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 21:13:16 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:17:55 by AesirWarrior

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In the fourth age Robert was an enemy of The Kin that lacked a weapon to take them down. Around the year 30+- he receives a message from a future version of himself (sent by us), that tells him the fairy ring code to Kethsi, which has the secret to bane ore, the weapon he needs to defeat the kin. However, future Robert warns him that this is not the first time the Kin will threaten Gielinor and that the stonetoucher (us) will have to know what to do, and that our journey starts with the temple knights. He tells him that the animal he'll reincarnate into is a cat, and that he'll have to write down the secret to Kethsi on his collar. Before the magic takes place and Robert reincarnates into a cat, he leaves a message for us, and a note to himself, on Keth*i that we'll have to give to Past Robert in the first place. At some point he also leaves a note for us in the temple knight library that we read during RoTM.

There's still a lot of stuff we don't know, because we haven't actually completed the loop yet. I theorised what the number +2139 means but I actually have no idea. It seems to be a set number of years after a point in the early 4th age, but what does it mean? Could it be when Robert becomes human again? Could it be how long Robert was in the underworld before he reincarnated into a cat (because Bob can't have lived for thousands of year, could he)? Could it simply be the year we find the message?

Hey! What if when we eventually go to Terragard we meet Robert before he was Robert the Strong and it turns out that entering the schism sent him back in time? Who knows?

I hope you understood the theory and that it wasn't *too much* back and forth*.

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That's it for my theories at the moment, or at least those I could rememeber when I randomly decided to write them down. Feel free to post, debate, share your own theories and all that good stuff.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 21:13:28 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:29:31 by AesirWarrior

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Should be done now, but I have to look through it to check if I missed anything... Or put anything in the wrong order. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 21:20:30

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That's a great theory, and reminds me of another theory I had.

I think it's possible The Dragonkin's homeworld is actually Freneskae. Simply because there's a lot of sources that claim Dragon metal comes from Freneskae, yet it's also associated with The Kin.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-May-2016 22:17:59

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