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Kirsakatsuki
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I'm basing this on a theory I formed in this thread.

Once the Stone of Jas pillar ends, that leaves the Dragonkin and Elder God stories. Jas was purposefully left out of the options for the Heart of Stone poll because there were already plans in place for her. Considering how the Stone is supposed to be her egg, I could see the egg becoming the "new" Jas. But, it's boiled. Which makes me think of what Sliske's goal is. Now, here's where my theory comes in. Maybe the Stone of Jas needs a vessel?

In the art for Sliske's Endgame, the Stone looks like it's shell is breaking, showing molten flame inside. I believe this means that it's going to hatch. Unfortunately for the unborn Elder God, it needs a body. As such, Sliske's entire contest is about deciding who will become the new Jas. We're used to thinking of people as either False Users or Stonetouchers. However, I think the vessel will be considered the "True User", and Sliske's role is to decide who that will be.

Sliske hasn't chosen the eclipse as the end of his contest on his own whim. Instead, the Stone is going to hatch because of the eclipse. Our role in the Countdown will be to decide who will become the Heir of Jas. For the Stone of Jas story to end permanently, there must no longer be a Stone, and Jas' egg hatching would remove the Stone as a factor, while leaving a replacement - a successor - to play a part in the Dragonkin and Elder God pillars.

Zaros intends to become an Elder God to prevent a Great Revision. If deciding the True User could advance that story, then manipulating the score could allow us to influence the success or failure of that plan.

Even if this theory may not be anywhere close to accurate, who do you hope to see win Sliske's Big Game?

18-Oct-2015 06:02:53

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It's certainly not the worst theory I've heard about the whole thing, but at this rate I'm also thinking more along the lines that Jas might be looking for a new guardian for its stone instead of an outright heir. Mostly because so far the current 'guardians' sorta suck at actually guarding the damned thing while we've at least been attempting to take steps to prevent it from being abused during the last few encounters we've had with it.

But that's just headcanon at this rate. Going back to the hard boiled egg thing, is it even possible for a boiled elder egg to even hatch if it was modified to its current state? Zaros' dialogue during Fot* seems to imply that the Stone is no longer an egg at all, but at the same time I don't think he specifically mentioned anything about it being inert or anything other than an egg in the first place.

Anyways...

Kirsakatsuki said:

Even if this theory may not be anywhere close to accurate, who do you hope to see win Sliske's Big Game?


Nobody. History shows that the prize tends to be a lot more trouble than it's actually worth in the long run, nor do I trust any of the factions showing up to the game to be responsible with it should they win for real (barring Vorago, who may not really care enough to use it. But that's up in the air at this rate until I see what it thinks about the Stone itself). :|
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18-Oct-2015 06:54:38

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I'm not a fan of the "True User" part, but otherwise here's some relevant information.

JUN 2013 Campfire
1) Q: "Is the SoJ Jas herself in egg form? Or in a defensive sphere? Or sleeping?"
Mod Osborne: "I love this question! It's not Jas herself, no. But you are right about the shape of the Stone of Jas having some significance."

2) Mod Osborne: "Strangely enough, the dragonkin are the only entities tied to an Elder Artefact (TokHaar are similar, but not quite). I heard an interesting notion from one of the devs recently that the artefacts might have souls. That gets my creative thoughts going in various directions..."

3) Mod Osborne: "Jas created almost all of the artefacts. The Stone of Jas, you see, is the means by which the artefacts were created. This is because the other Elder Gods, for reasons we can't reveal, are not of the power of Jas."

TWITTER 2014
4) Mod Stu ‏@JagexStu Mar 26 TokHaar also made some erroneous assumptions**** That Ful created the Elder Kiln.

Q&A 2014 (lost, now recorded in the old scryingpool forum)
5) Q: "So is there really a baby elder god inside the Stone of Jas?"
A: Mod Rowl*y: "I would describe the Stone of Jas as a hard-boiled elder god egg."
Mod Osborne: "Yeah, that's the best way of describing it, and by being hard-boiled that concentrates something."
Mod Rowl*y: "But it's no longer viable for life."
Mod Osborne: "And then you have to start thinking about why that happened, why that decision was made to do that."
Mod Rowl*y: "That's the important thing actually, the reasoning behind it."
Mod Osborne: "And so Jas, the elder god, likely had a good reason for it."

OTHER
6) In TLW, Zaros mentions there are 6 Elder Gods, 5 of "form" and 1 which is not.
6) Guthix made the Balance Elemental partly with "time" - Jas reference?
8) SoJ decorated in hexagons, Jas' symbol (check her Egg on Freneskae)
9) In DaT, the stone seems to be cracking open just like in the Sliske's Endgame concept art
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18-Oct-2015 07:30:20

Kirsakatsuki
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@A Mad Hatter

Jas wanting a new guardian would make sense. How exactly they would come about is uncertain, though I do think that Sliske has somehow been "chosen" by Jas, and he's doing this more on her behalf. It might explain why he's able to defeat Strisath, as Jas would allow him the power to supplant the dragonkin. I think we still don't know why Strisath went after Sliske, but I think that might have been dictated by Jas somehow. As if, for some reason, she wanted Sliske to do all this. Though I'm just pulling stuff out of hammerspace by this point.

Like Rowl*y said, the egg isn't viable for life, which is I say it needs a "host" body, as there's a "distilled" form. I believe that, prior to Fate of the Gods, there was speculation that Zaros would need to possess somebody. Now that I think about it, this theory is, admittedly, a retread of that. But a simulacrum isn't enough. We need a proper, divine form to act as the host for whatever is in the boiled egg.

I'm not sure what line from Fate of the Gods you're referring to where Zaros implies that the Stone is no longer an egg, unless you mean how her prefers to call it the Catalyst.

Fair enough that you won't trust anybody with it. How do you want to resolve the contest?

18-Oct-2015 15:16:18

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@Ere* Lapucet:

1&5: Those especially seem to point towards my idea. Even if it may not be an egg, there is going to be some kind of new element that will come into play during the Endgame.

2: If Stone of Jas has a soul, that goes back to what I was saying about Zaros. The Echo of Jas might be an example of a soul, and how that ties other entities to an artefact.

3: If they're not of Jas' power, that might be why even the TokHaar aren't like the dragonkin. I'm guessing that the reason only Jas has the power is because of her element of Progression. The other Elder Gods simply are secondary to her authority over time.

4: This is mostly related to the last two points. It may not fit in with this theory just yet, though since Ful is the closest in power to Jas, it would certainly be interesting to see what sets the two of them apart.

6: I've seen a theory that the sixth might be related to the Void, though now I'm inclined to believe that it's the boiled Elder God, so thanks for pointing that out.

7: Ooh, that's a good idea. The identity of the Balance Elemental is one of those mysteries that just fell by the wayside, but considering what point in the story the Endgame is meant to represent, this could be a good time to show how the Balance Elemental came to be.

8: This makes me wonder why Jas has in mind. Azzanadra is still looking for the Elder Halls, and I'm not sure if they'll be found during the Countdown. The blank observation also has the hexagons, and I do think that it will see a use here.

9: Hmm… yeah, I could see that. There shape doesn't seem to have changed, but there are red lines appearing through the cracks, like the molten flame I've referred to is spreading.

18-Oct-2015 15:38:54

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Kirsakatsuki said:

*snip*

I'm not sure what line from Fate of the Gods you're referring to where Zaros implies that the Stone is no longer an egg, unless you mean how her prefers to call it the Catalyst.



I was actually referring to this dialogue you get in the Elder Halls if you let Zaros tag along for the ride before you make his new body:

Original message details are unavailable.

If you inspect the southwestern fragmented sphere:

Player: What is that thing?

Zaros: Does it not seem familiar?

Player: Yes... but it can't be the same one, can it?

Zaros: Not exactly. The one you have encountered is unique; altered to become what it is. This one's purpose was quite simple, and was fulfilled.

Player: So this one is...?

Zaros: Debris.


At first I thought the italicized part meant that the Stone was no longer a viable egg, but looking back Zaros didn't state anything of the sort. He just said it was altered, which may actually support your theory in some capacity.

Kirsakatsuki said:

Fair enough that you won't trust anybody with it. How do you want to resolve the contest?


Honesty, I'm not 100% sure myself. Ideally the Catalyst and Siphon should be destroyed somehow and the Gods go offworld to find other sources of power instead of fighting over the same 2 artifacts that drove the story to this point, but realistically we have no clue if they can even be properly destroyed (as in, once they're gone they're gone for good. No power left over somewhere, no remains to fix, nothing) in the first place by the time the contest's end come around.

Though as I said earlier, I wouldn't be completely against having Vorago winning if he (it?) shows no interest in actually using the Stone.
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18-Oct-2015 21:37:18

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So then Zaros at least knows something about how the Stone of Jas was altered. Maybe he's aware that the Stone might create a vessel? Wonder if he told Sliske that, though that seems unlikely for Zaros. It does sound like information Sliske would twist into making this game, though.

I'd like to see the Siphon returned to Armadyl, but otherwise, I agree with you about the Catalyst. As it is, that thing is going to just cause an endless cycle of wars, even if they are going to be far apart. The sooner it's completely destroyed, the better.

19-Oct-2015 03:44:26

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Quite possible.

Will the Heir of Jas be the same god though? Or will this corrupt them somehow? Becoming the host of an elder god that is. Remember the elders are the ones trying to devour the universe right now.

Which then leads me to wonder how the story will develop from there.
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24-Oct-2015 23:30:59 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2015 23:36:34 by Roland Lyons

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I suspect that corruption may come up, but the degree of it may change. They'll either behave as they otherwise would, or they'll begin to hurry up the Great Revision.

My expectation for the Sixth Age is that the dragonkin pillar will be the focus after the Endgame, and the Heir would be the focus. We might see some standalone quests or some overlap with the Countdown to deal with the False Users like Zamorak and Saradomin, while the Heir would become their primary focus. Either the Heir - either through by ascending at all or through their own will - would make it so that they're no longer bound to the curse, or the dragonkin would still be bound, only this time they would have a new target that they would have to break free from.

The overlap between the dragonkin and Stone of Jas pillars is the curse, and the dragonkin story is split between the two factions. The Dactyl have their own scientific plans, which aren't quite specified yet, though we could have gotten a quest devoted to them severing the curse before we got Heart of Stone. Maybe that's what Hero's Welcome was about, though that quest was more specific with the dragonkin by showing them wanting to kill the False Users.

God stories are also supposed to continue even after the contest ends. However, will they continue by skipping requirements similar to other Sixth Age quests, or will those who may be transformed by the Endgame be locked behind this?

Here's what will need to be considered for the story going forward:

- Which gods would be free to have their stories continue regardless of the Countdown
- How both dragonkin factions will adapt to what the Endgame means for the Stone of Jas
- What the direction for the Elder God pillar is supposed to be

25-Oct-2015 15:59:02

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