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Solanumtinkr
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So there I was nattering away about gods the tiers and wondering if Guardians has something similar. Now don't get me wrong there is a lot wrong with the tiers of godhood, it's just a basic grouping the same way that total level would describe players. It's a general guide but does not cover what their actual skills are, just like a players skill levels.

Anyway,Guardians would have to have something otherwise it's just a title and evidence suggests otherwise. At least some get an honorary Tiers mention but that is very simplistic, as in a oh look they all have brown hair... O_o

Still some gods seem to have specific jobs in the day to day running of Gielinor. Yet gods are an aberration, not the norm. So I was left thinking about Amascut and co, goddess of rebirth...I had a thought, would this job normally have been filled by a Guardian? They do seem to be a bit more than just a one off for death. Yes, maybe some gods are creating Avatars, but that is neither here nor there. Guardians pop up to fill in certain job roles and smooth out the workings of certain things or stop something from happening.

But could these jobs have normally been filled by uplifted Guardians, the same death got his job?

Could gods and Guardians have skill trees of a sort? Tiers is after all just a very basic grouping and no absolute.

If Amascut was goddess of rebirth, who had the job before here? Or has someone else been uplifted to fix, or replace that? Has this been done anywhere else already?

What jobs (of a sort) have or could be filled and who got lumbered with it?

Is a god filling in out of necessity as they bumped off the poor slob that had the job before?
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13-Nov-2016 08:24:30 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2016 08:28:09 by Solanumtinkr

Solanumtinkr
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It could be that until the gods started shaking things up that these people would have gone completely unnoticed in the normal scheme of things?


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13-Nov-2016 08:25:05 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2016 08:29:23 by Solanumtinkr

Solanumtinkr
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Not quite lore but I was wondering about the Slayer poll result. Now I realise that people really wanted more slayer but others are also worried about about extending it 120. Now this gets a bit more lore like here as I wonderd if a new elite skill could fill the gap with 80 Slayer being one of the requirements?

I mean what do Guardians do? Stand around and wait for trouble? Go looking for it?

Or is Guardianship a skill all of it's own?

Can we make followers and other things to do jobs that need to be done?

Do we have to hunt things down and slay them as part of being a Guardian?

Do we have to hunt them down or send anima automatons after them?

Some one throw me a bone here as most Guardians have well defined roles, where as our seems to be about....well smacking trouble in to the next dimension. A very important job to be sure, but I can't help thinking that we're missing something along the way, we didn't anyone to show us the way beyond a pat on the head from Guthix before he did suicide by Sliske.

What do you think?
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13-Nov-2016 13:34:13

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When you say guardians are you meaning guardians of guthix or like a set group of guardians each world has?

Myabe tumeken accidentally killed the guardian of whatever icthlarin's doing and now he has to take over the job, like that santa clause movie where the dude murders santa and has to become him, and tumeken's too lazy so he gets his kids to do it while he up and destroys the entire country

the last sentence implies you mean guardians as GoGs. Most of them are just guarding against Guthix's mess-ups... and not all the GoGs are actually 'guardian-ing' something (jmods have said that, which I'm not overly a fan of, they seem cooler if they have a thing guthix set them up to do). Ocellus as an example, isn't guardianing anything Guthix asked him to do, he's just gardending his own mess-up... he was a gardener before that. a guardianer, I mean
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15-Nov-2016 05:05:38 - Last edited on 15-Nov-2016 05:10:03 by Maiden China

Solanumtinkr
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There seems to a few classes of Guardians, some just seem to pop up out of thin air, some are created by the anima mundi and the last created by gods. So Let's cover all the bases here.

When in myths Death supposedly collects souls and escorts them to the river, but then he takes them no further? That's like a package only being delivered to the nearest depot instead of carrying on to your door. That left icthlarin and Amascut for the last leg. That all sounds very slack on Death's part. In my option someone is missing, the boatmen (guardians)?
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15-Nov-2016 05:47:42

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AS far as it is known, according to jagex, Some of the Guardians are blessed with great power and/or wisdom on Gielinor, greater even than some low-tier gods and divine beings.
Us who are able to withstand godly magic and block it, as well as fight fragment of elder gods magic. WE were made to protect Gielinor from them.
Valluta, who, according to the Void Knights, is able to easily defeat the pest queen, making it look like she was stomping an ant. Made to protect the Void.
Juna, who has vast knowledge of most things, as well as being extremely powerful when near the tears.made to protect the tears.
Death, OF course he seems strong enough to kill a god, reap it's soul it had. Given the task to balance life and death.
Cres, who had extreme and magical capability. Given the task to guard Guthix's resting place with alarm to wake Guthix up.
Fiara, who is extremely powerful to fend off against group of fighters. But is more skilled in her knowledge of a lot of things. Made to protect an site that leaks SOJ energy.
Ocellus, who has great knowledge and magical ability, being able to seal his own order from escaping (failed a bit.) And with magical ability that seems almost like crystal magic. No Task.

So I assume that Guardians of a god(if more were made for other gods.) Would wait for their god themselves to call them, or for other guardian to call them for their god is in-danger.

There are more guardians of Guthix we have yet to see, however it was confirmed that Death only managed to collect those he could in a hurry.
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16-Nov-2016 16:40:07 - Last edited on 16-Nov-2016 16:42:02 by Adventurerrr

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Solanumtinkr said:
There seems to a few classes of Guardians, some just seem to pop up out of thin air, some are created by the anima mundi and the last created by gods. So Let's cover all the bases here.
telos, yakamaru, vorago, and death are a very different sort of guardian than fiara, juna and most of the rest of the GoGs... and I dont feel like both groups should share the same title. With the exception of death, the GoGs all just guthix's main followers, like azzanadra and nex are to to zaros. Death, ofcourse, is also one of guthix's followers but he's not *just* that, he's also, and in the first place, a part of gielinor's... uhm... life
Char (or nex, can't remember) might be tasked by zaros to stop the younger gods from abusing the elder artefacts, but that doesn't make her a 'guardian'... it just makes her a follower of zaros who's doing something zaros asked her to do
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17-Nov-2016 16:38:33

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None of the Zaros follower were ever set up as Guardians in any way shape or form. Whatever his goals they never included him sacrificing some of his power to empower a someone to do a specific job. Nex was his dabbling to create life and he only gave the meanest slither he could to give them sentience, not power. The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
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17-Nov-2016 20:56:22

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God is a being that somehow got a part of elder god power, and he/she can do anything he wants and is able to.

But usually they choose a certain philosophy that they incline to, actually like many mortals do. But god of war isn't a war itself, god of order isn't order itself and so on, they only like it most of other things :D

Zaros and Seren are somewhat different since their minds work differently, being directly created by Mah. Desert gods behave like classic gods, perhaps Tumeken/Eli are stranger too, like Z/S. Ami and Iccy were given actual job by Tumeken, but only Iccy choose to do it :D

Even a beast can ascend by accident and that works...weird than.


Gilenor/Vorago/Cres/Telos are constructs like golems. They don't have much of their own mind, they are more like programmed to do certain mechanical task :p

Guardians were given a job that Guthix wanted to be done and didn't want to do himself (zzzzz...), yet they still have their own minds like before they got power.

I suppose skill tree is only about getting more power :D I guess Zammy can make a flower garden and Sara joke and troll like Sliske with their powers but they don't want to :P

Yet wg's job and power is exception even amongst gods and guardians. I'd compare us to dragonkin. They can be umm...I 'd rather say destroyed than killed, but hey, they survived great revision :D They are not gods nor guardians nor constructs but part of each. They have ''job'' and some ''try'' to do it, some go rampage :D They have their own minds and characters but ummm...it's not always so certain :D They have their kind of power but even this works differently ;)

17-Nov-2016 22:26:16

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Solanumtinkr said:
None of the Zaros follower were ever set up as Guardians in any way shape or form. Whatever his goals they never included him sacrificing some of his power to empower a someone to do a specific job. Nex was his dabbling to create life and he only gave the meanest slither he could to give them sentience, not power.
giving someone power to protect the world from problems you created doesn't put them on the same level as actual guardians of gielinor, like vorago and such

it's like... making a safeguard to prevent your nuclear power generating plant from... messing up... versus some magical being the universe created to balance itself

I know very little about nuclear physics, sorry :p

by your words, you'd probably put the sphinx up there with the guardians since icthlarin made her immortal and as far as I know, she only protects cats

'the universe' would never have made a guardian to guard the void, or the fist of guthix or guthix's tears, it just made guardians to regulate dead people and to stop overly powerful beings from messing up the world
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18-Nov-2016 19:17:49 - Last edited on 18-Nov-2016 19:19:25 by Maiden China

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