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iXavior

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Zamorakianism = freedom


I hear this association a lot from the Zamorakian playerbase (and by a lot, I mean annoyingly A LOT), and I want to know what thought process led them to come up to this conclusion.

Most Zamorakian players I see in-game believe Zamorak should take the throne of Gielinor, as by doing so, the world will be free from oppression and tyranny. Freedom for all. Freedom from "evil" Saradominist/Armadylean hypocrisy, freedom from slavery, and to live by your own rules. All this wonderful stuff.

What they are wishing for is anarchy, and what Zamorakians should know is that anarchy does NOT equate to freedom. Anarchy means the absence of a government, but people can still suppress others. Zamorakian players I see think envision a world where they will be able to run around without clothes on, to not have to pay taxes, to be able to live without judgment or criticism.

Why do people think this? Misinterpretation? Delusion? Naivety?
To think Zamorak represents a world of "true freedom" is bind-boggling. His game is about destruction and chaos!

If Zamorak does ascend to power, the world will get dark. Everyday will be a fight for survival. Wyd zamorakians?
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25-Jun-2016 08:46:22 - Last edited on 25-Jun-2016 09:05:32 by iXavior

Solanumtinkr
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The problem being that freedom is an ill defined word that relies on external definition to give it true meaning. There is no one meaning as freedom is normally defined by law, culture or religion and they are many and varied. What most people mean by freedom is bound within the restrictions of acceptable behaviour, which probably makes the word an oxymoron. It is a buzz worded use to rally the masses yet give leave each individual to define what freedom means, thus making the speakers job far easier. It also lets the speaker set a boundary on behaviour so that they can demonise and dehumanise anyone they target, that makes normally unpalatable action against such target far easier.

Other such words that can fit into this category include evil, good, bad, honour, criminal, righteous, acceptable, unacceptable, unnatural, abomination, heretic...the list goes on. Yet each such word is only truly define by the list that they act as a heading for.

I think it could be better to list Zamorak as something along the lines of corrosive.
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25-Jun-2016 09:23:51

Hguoh
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Not entirely true. While we don't have many, we have seen some examples of Zamorakian rule, and they tend to not be anarchic.

Yes, it is true that people are often oppressed in these systems. However, it is also true that there are typically little to no consequences for overthrowing those who oppress you in such a system (as long as you are strong and clever enough to remain free of further oppression).

In the case of powerful individuals, such as out character, Zamorakianism indeed offers a semblance of absolute freedom (justifying our ability to do whatever we want to). That being said, we've run into a few characters that blatantly trounce us (the most recent being Sliske) and who would be very capable of making us significantly less free even under a Zamorakian system.

25-Jun-2016 12:58:10

Hazeel
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First thing you need to understand is that universal freedom is impossible. Gods like Saradomin would make laws that make everyone (except himself) equal to each other politically. Well the truth is, we're not all equal to each other, and laws that keep artificial equality prevent those few elite from going above and beyond, showing their potential.

Also, having everyone as equals doesn't mean everyone is happy, it just means everyone gets to share the same crappy conditions. And if you don't like it, there's nothing you can do. In Zamorakianism, yes, you might be enslaved, but you can do something about it. You can fight it, rebel with the other slaves, and completely turn the tabels so you're living the good life and the original slaver has to wash your feet.

There are consequences to everything, whether we live in a world of law or not, but in Zamorak's world--the one I would consider free--those consequences are decided by us, not by some archaic law. If you decided to take justice into your hands and kill someone, the law would have you arrested no matter how justified it was. But if the rest of us are calling the shots...well, we're probably not going to do anything about it if this person really deserved to die. There are always rules, written or unwritten.

Saradominists and Armadyleans believe in the law. I don't. It's crude, horribly flawed, unyielding, too slow to evolve, and stunts the growth of all that it governs. You can believe in Saradomin's Holy Law, but I believe in taking matters into my own hands and shaping things how I desire, without artificial boundaries.
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25-Jun-2016 16:31:40 - Last edited on 25-Jun-2016 16:32:31 by Hazeel

AesirWarrior
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Zamorakianism is not anarchy (not true anarchy anyway). That's been made pretty clear both in-game and from the mods. Zamorakianism is about self improvement through chaos, which is not the same thing. If any god has a philosophy centered around anarchy it's Bandos.

I recommend listening to the zamorak podcast on podbean if you don't understand his philosophy.
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25-Jun-2016 18:22:38

Tempra
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iXavior said:
Zamorakianism = freedom


I hear this association a lot from the Zamorakian playerbase (and by a lot, I mean annoyingly A LOT), and I want to know what thought process led them to come up to this conclusion.

Most Zamorakian players I see in-game believe Zamorak should take the throne of Gielinor, as by doing so, the world will be free from oppression and tyranny. Freedom for all. Freedom from "evil" Saradominist/Armadylean hypocrisy, freedom from slavery, and to live by your own rules. All this wonderful stuff.

What they are wishing for is anarchy, and what Zamorakians should know is that anarchy does NOT equate to freedom. Anarchy means the absence of a government, but people can still suppress others. Zamorakian players I see think envision a world where they will be able to run around without clothes on, to not have to pay taxes, to be able to live without judgment or criticism.

Why do people think this? Misinterpretation? Delusion? Naivety?
To think Zamorak represents a world of "true freedom" is bind-boggling. His game is about destruction and chaos!

If Zamorak does ascend to power, the world will get dark. Everyday will be a fight for survival. Wyd zamorakians?
when i was in zamorak cult i started to see how the zamorakians in that clan had that exact state of mind, and have witnessed on 2 occasions another zamorakian clan disrupt a group of role players,its obvious some of them have the belief that zamorakianism=trolling and setting things on fire for the lulz

25-Jun-2016 21:39:35 - Last edited on 25-Jun-2016 21:50:38 by Tempra

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You can do and have anything you want as long as you have strength to get it. Even Zary, Army and Sara are doing this, their power is what keeps their order and laws.

Yet Zammy gives ''freedom'' to constant improvement. You never reach his throne, because there is always something to improve and higher throne to reach. Unlike Zammy/Army/Sara's laws, which are saying ''You will do as I tell you, no matter what you want, you have to follow my orders''. And I guess that's the stagnancy in their order that Zammy doesnt like so he embrace chaos and sort of ''anarchy'' instead.

I can't say what's better, it depends on people themselves. Some need and like strict orders to live in peace, some are capitalist-darwinist-anarchist sort, that can't live without constant challenge and competition, that's what drives them.

Yet in the end everyone needs some sort of system, they only differ in reasons to have it.

25-Jun-2016 21:40:14

Hazeel
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Tempra said:
when i was in zamorak cult i started to see how the zamorakians in that clan had that exact state of mind, and have witnessed on 2 occasions another zamorakian clan disrupt a group of role players,its obvious some of them have the belief that zamorakianism=trolling and setting things on fire for the lulz


Or maybe they didn't care what Zamorakianism says and just wanted some lulz? =P

...That's why I do it anyway XD
Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

25-Jun-2016 22:38:35 - Last edited on 25-Jun-2016 23:04:19 by Hazeel

Tempra
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Hazeel said:
Tempra said:
when i was in zamorak cult i started to see how the zamorakians in that clan had that exact state of mind, and have witnessed on 2 occasions another zamorakian clan disrupt a group of role players,its obvious some of them have the belief that zamorakianism=trolling and setting things on fire for the lulz


Or maybe they didn't care what Zamorakianism and just wanted some lulz? =P

...That's why I do it anyway XD
that's more sliskean than zamorakianism though, and if that's the way you want to act then you need to change factions.

25-Jun-2016 22:48:50 - Last edited on 25-Jun-2016 22:50:44 by Tempra

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