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Dr Curls
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There is a difference between being a Stone Toucher and a False User. Sliske said it himself. False Users draw heaps of power from the Catalyst all at once whereas Stone Touchers use it bit by bit and gain knowledge slowly.
Here's the dealio. I've come up with a theory that could explain something.

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Perhaps Stone Touchers don't aggravate the Dragonkins curse as much? They killed V on the spot just because he was a False User but we have been around Dragonkin a number of times and we're still all good.
This also happened with Sliske who is also (according to himself, a Stone Toucher. Although i'm not sure how accurate that could be considering how he loves to lie and also this quote. "If nothing, you can always trust that you can't trust Sliske." ~Wahisietel.)

But anyway, my point is that I think that Dragonkin's curse and how much they get angry/powered up depends on how much power someone/thing draws from the Catalyst.

EDIT: This just came to me. False Users have a 'tether' connected to the SoJ, do we Stone Touchers have it as well?

EDIT2: Grammar, fixed up some spelling and wording.

30-Jun-2015 03:07:42 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2015 03:15:38 by Dr Curls

Hguoh
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Considering that Strisath (I believe it was him) only saw the impressions of false users on the stone, it doesn't appear that stone touchers get tethered to the stone.

All things considered, this is supported by how the kin act, a False user causes the kin pain both from their initial power draw and from the constant drain via the tether, while stone touchers only cause the kin pain while they tap into the knowledge within the stone. As a result, False users are hated more for being constant torture and Stone touchers are treated more as a scraped knee or at worst a broken bone (immediate pain, but it goes away).

All things considered, I wouldn't consider us very safe around the kin seeing as one of them tried to fry us simply out of annoyance during the quest. Most of the time, it seems, we are simply left unharmed because the dragonkin believe that they have more important things to get to.

30-Jun-2015 04:31:39

Lego Miester
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I think the thing is we've tapped the Stone of Jas multiple times, but we've never taken power. We've borrowed power, which always fades momentarily. It seems like the greedy, the false users, feel the rush of strength in their bodies and hold onto it, forging that sort of bond between themselves and the stone that makes them addicted to its power.

You might say "What? Guthix wasn't greedy!" but he still kept the stone secluded away for only his access. Maybe he was kind of like Gandalf and the One Ring, thinking that he could channel the power for good.

Hguoh said:
Most of the time, it seems, we are simply left unharmed because the dragonkin believe that they have more important things to get to.


They made it painfully clear by killing V but leaving us (relatively) unharmed (9890 damage, ow....) that we do not cause the same sting to them as the False Users. Perhaps Sliske, tapping the stone for knowledge rather than permanent power, is also under their radar, which is how he was able to release one on the gods without it immediately turning on him.
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30-Jun-2015 06:14:46 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2015 06:19:51 by Lego Miester

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Lego Miester said:
]They made it painfully clear by killing V but leaving us (relatively) unharmed (9890 damage, ow....) that we do not cause the same sting to them as the False Users. Perhaps Sliske, tapping the stone for knowledge rather than permanent power, is also under their radar, which is how he was able to release one on the gods without it immediately turning on him.


That's not how I understood the events. When V was killed, the necrosy*tes present very clearly wanted to kill the player. It was only Tarshak insisting that they had more important things to do that saved our butts.

As for the all but 10 lp shot on us, that particular dragonkin then promptly complained about how his ribs hurt and expressed frustration that he didn't kill us (he was just badly battered by Tarshak after all).

All I'm saying is that we are tolerated better than a false user by both Necrosy*tes and Dactyl but are treated no better than any other mortal by the Necrosy*tes (the Dactyl are another story).

30-Jun-2015 06:37:11

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As Lego said, I'm pretty sure it's because all power we've obtained from the Stone has only been temporary as opposed to permanent.

While on the topic of the SoJ, and in light of Hero's Welcome, do you think every-time anyone uses the Stone gets a little mutation added to them? Think about it, look at the difference between gods that have used (V, who has glowy skin. Sara who is blue. And Zamorak who has sprouted an extra pair of limbs.) as opposed to gods that (we know of) who haven't (Bandos and Armadyl, who just look like larger members of their species (presumably for Bandos)(Armadyl's whole "six wings" thing seems to be a choice on his part to have or not))

I know the above may be stretching things a little, but it's just something I've noticed. It may just be how the gods choose to show themselves instead of an actual mutation, but whatever.

Anyway, for us, do you suppose every time we touched the Stone, we got some little tumour in our brain, a tumour of added knowledge? When we touched the stone for the first time we got a vision and somehow gained knowledge pertaining to the stone, so we were subject to a direct injection of 'knowing' instead of just ourselves interpreting what we've seen.

Now, Jagex and it's developers may have gotten away with us touching the stone in DaT because we didn't know of it's more malignant effects, but now after Hero's Welcome they'd sure better not try to pull that again. Seriously if they try to force me to touch that thing again, I'm just logging out.


I apologise if my phrasing is off or nonsensical, I had bad sleep because, ironically, I kept getting nightmares about HW and it's Abomination and mutating stuff. :|
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30-Jun-2015 10:51:11 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2015 10:52:02 by Velia

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It's difficult to say, we know that the gods can change form at will (Guthix certainly could, Zamorak/Saradomin/Armadyl/Bandos resized too).
In fact changing form appears to be associated with divinity, Mahjarrat who are partly divine can shapeshift and some of the life spawning on the lowest planes (demons and vampyres) can change their form in a limited way.
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30-Jun-2015 15:22:18

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Dishonour Among Thieves made a point about how we could only channel the energy for a short time because we're the World Guardian. The tether between False Users and the Stone of Jas sounds to me a like a game of tug of war. Thanks to the divine energy shield surrounding us, imagine a giant scissor coming around to snap the rope. When we fought in DAT, we couldn't contain the divine energy within ourselves, and instead had to disperse it. Taking this analogy further, once the rope has been snapped, there's really no point in us using the part of it that we got stuck with, so we have to get rid of it. The energy we took for ourselves simply cannot return to the Stone of Jas, so we turn it into a destructive force.

30-Jun-2015 19:38:19

Talonstalker
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i'm surprised nothing got mentioned of dat in hw. zamorak used the stone to rise a tier again, and yet the dragonkin don't sound and look so mad about it. D:

edit: or seem to aknowledge it. :c
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30-Jun-2015 21:20:31 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2015 21:21:46 by Talonstalker

Kirsakatsuki
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I think it's because DAT is more reliant on choices that are important to the Stone of Jas pillar, and Tarshak's grudge was with V, while Kalibath seems more interested in Saradomin. It might be a hint that, now that we've seen DAT, it's time for Saradomin's side of the Stone of Jas pillar. While he did have Death of Chivalry, that was before MPD, so the Stone of Jas pillar hadn't really been established yet. Now that it has been, Saradomin should pick up the pace. While we have Rite of Passage as an idea to follow through on Armadyl's side of things, we don't really see that for Saradomin.

30-Jun-2015 22:15:58 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2015 22:17:23 by Kirsakatsuki

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