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Volterhn
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Iceey said:
Although what I said it is possible, maybe not too possible.

I misunderstood some of what I read about the desert. I originally though the entire desert was once a vast jungle, but that does not appear to be the case.

I think something in Do No Evil, something the monkeys say, made it sound like they were talking about the entire desert once a jungle.

I also thought it was based on the Egyptian Desert, which was also once an entire Jungle.


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11-Jun-2017 12:58:22

Iceey
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Volterhn said:
Iceey said:
Although what I said it is possible, maybe not too possible.

I misunderstood some of what I read about the desert. I originally though the entire desert was once a vast jungle, but that does not appear to be the case.

I think something in Do No Evil, something the monkeys say, made it sound like they were talking about the entire desert once a jungle.

I also thought it was based on the Egyptian Desert, which was also once an entire Jungle.


Jabari works for Marimbo.

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Lol well Marimbo isn't part of the Karamja Pantheon :p But I see what you did there. Or at least not that we know anyway.
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12-Jun-2017 16:15:53 - Last edited on 12-Jun-2017 16:16:08 by Iceey

Joakim Smith
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Mod Rowley said:
Small clarification. Camel god wasn't retconned to be Akthanakos - there is no camel god, never has been. It's only ever been assumed there was from a single line of (throwaway) dialogue. We decided to connect that line up to Akthanakos as it's logical it was a reference to him, and also to make it clear there isn't a ninth member of the desert pantheon.


But that doesn't make sense. The line of dialogue in question says that Akthanakos "took on the aspect of one of the local gods". No one ever said there was a "camel god"; we only assumed there was because Akthanakos had a camel head and it said that he had done that. He can't have taken on his own aspect.
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14-Jun-2017 00:03:13

Elf of Seren
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Mod Rowley said:
Small clarification. Camel god wasn't retconned to be Akthanakos - there is no camel god, never has been. It's only ever been assumed there was from a single line of (throwaway) dialogue. We decided to connect that line up to Akthanakos as it's logical it was a reference to him, and also to make it clear there isn't a ninth member of the desert pantheon.


I *swear* in 2013 Osborne or someone said in a stream or a podcast or something that he was, in fact, a god. Whether that was a troll or not, some people took it as canon. Regardless, technically it still fits the definition of retcon...

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Edit: Actually, I think you were in that stream (I think it was you. Whoever the early Desert Quest Curator was, I'm pretty sure it was them). They were on about how they didn't plan on us ever meeting the desert gods, and so on. I remember they seemed pretty frustrated that the story was going in a different direction than what they had planned.
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21-Jun-2017 02:59:08 - Last edited on 21-Jun-2017 03:02:37 by Elf of Seren

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Strictly speaking, only something that is in-game can be retconned. If a mod says something contradictory in content outside of the game, either they are mistaken or we subsequently decided on a different path. :)

21-Jun-2017 08:48:32

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Joakim Smith said:
Mod Rowley said:
Small clarification. Camel god wasn't retconned to be Akthanakos - there is no camel god, never has been. It's only ever been assumed there was from a single line of (throwaway) dialogue. We decided to connect that line up to Akthanakos as it's logical it was a reference to him, and also to make it clear there isn't a ninth member of the desert pantheon.


But that doesn't make sense. The line of dialogue in question says that Akthanakos "took on the aspect of one of the local gods". No one ever said there was a "camel god"; we only assumed there was because Akthanakos had a camel head and it said that he had done that. He can't have taken on his own aspect.


That's kind of the point I was making. The existence of a camel god is an assumption. We're not saying Akthanakos is an actual camel god, just that some may have mistaken him for one.

The best interpretation of this dialogue that I've seen is that Akky just saw the desert gods with their animal heads and mimicked them, not that he specifically saw a desert god with a camel head and outright copied it.

Even if you interpret that line of dialogue as "upon seeing a camel-headed god, Akthanakos gave himself a camel's head", it's also worth remembering that sometimes NPCs don't know what they're talking about. Quite often, in fact.

A character can only speak of what it knows, and what it knows may well be incorrect. Whichever character said this line could just be talking nonsense about something they know nothing about.

21-Jun-2017 08:58:50

Aquamancer
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Mod Rowley said:
A character can only speak of what it knows, and what it knows may well be incorrect. Whichever character said this line could just be talking nonsense about something they know nothing about.


Well then, it's possible that Aristarchus' sources for the information could've been rather inaccurate. After all, it's been over eight millennia since the Mahjarrat came to Gielinor, and a lot of information has likely gotten distorted over the ages, so it's possible that the Menaphites came up with several deities that never existed, based on misinterpretation of available evidence.

For example, in Klenter's Pyramid, there are two snake/lizard/frog-headed statues, which cannot be attributed to any deity we know of. What the statue is supposed to represent is unclear, so it is possible that it represents one of the non-existent Menaphite deities. The Camel God might be one such example: if people ever thought they were real, it's because of a culmination of millennia of misinterpretations, false connections and fanciful stories. This could mean that while there are only eight true desert gods, there could be many more non-existent gods, similar to Birman and Hanalan.

This would allow a neat resolution where the Camel God is and is not canon: even if the Camel God is not a real deity or even a fictional deity worshipped in Menaphos, some people in the Desert might believe that there is a Camel God and actively worship them or incorporate them in folklore.

Besides, the Camel Warriors slowly manifested into the Spirit Realm after Akthanakos had Ugthanki tell stories about them, so with a sufficient powersource and enough believers, it might even be possible to create the Camel God in the Spirit Realm and have them summoned to Gielinor...

21-Jun-2017 19:05:44

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