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Zu Zu

Zu Zu

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The Occultist from POP:

-became immortal using a ritual involving twisting the intestines of several sea creatures
-has immense magical powers since youth and was feared by the other soothsayers of the land.
-cannot die from physical weapons nor a ritual to sap her powers + immortality
-killed a wielder of an elder artefact (which MAY suggest she can't be killed by them.)

How does one explain her condition, this eternal life? Is she stronger than a god now not being able to die? What is she even considered now?


She is definitely not a human anymore. She gave up her humanity the moment she defied the laws of life, the basic principles of being an organism: being capable of death. It's almost the same way Armadyl is no longer considered an aviantese but a "god". They have transcended beyond the rudimentary limitations of their race. They are something else now.

I am invincible, a true god with nigh-omnipotence! True gods can't die! And with an eternity to evolve my already strong powers, I will kill the other gods, rule the world, and make the World Guardian my wife/husband! Muahahahahaaa!

But seriously, discuss the questions in red.
I am a God-slaying Goddess! Worship me, the immortal Occultist! The new Khan of the Seas!
Muahahahahaahah!!!!

03-Jul-2016 06:05:04 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2016 06:11:44 by Zu Zu

Maiden China
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Maiden China

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I imagine her immortality can be cured by simply... doing another weird ritual or using a powerful enough weapon on her
I dont think she'd survive a blast from the SoA but fortunately for her, the people who want to kill her don't have access to that thing

gods are, in most cases, just as immortal. Jododu Otoku is probably an exception since he was using all his power, even the power than normally protects gods from most weapons, to protect the world. Every other god's been killed either by another god or a powerful weapon (please dont mention the chap who got killed by drinking from the elder wine jug)

aviantese is the plural, aviansie is the singular :P
Carn

03-Jul-2016 06:45:30

Zu Zu

Zu Zu

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I don't consider gods immortal. If they wanted to take their own life, they could (like Seren or Tumeken). Fortunately for Tumeken, he left four pieces of himself (apmeken, crondis, het, and scabaras) so he can resurrect himself when the day comes. The occultist however has tried to kill herself countless times but she has failed.

Also, a god's resilience is tied to their immense divine power. An example, as you said, is Jodudu Otaku. A god could "lower" their defenses to the point where they can be harmed by normal blunt weapons any time for whatever purpose. Jodudu had to channel his defenses to power up the great barrier around the planet. Guthix lowered his guard down because he wanted to die on purpose. The Occultist's immortality however, doesnt seem to leave no matter how much she begs. Even with the most powerful ritual she knew, her curse would not leave
I am a God-slaying Goddess! Worship me, the immortal Occultist! The new Khan of the Seas!
Muahahahahaahah!!!!

03-Jul-2016 07:42:35 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2016 07:44:11 by Zu Zu

Maiden China
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Maiden China

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When Guthix became a god, he was given some insight into what he actually was now, which helped him... 'be' what he was now. Bandos has much the same thing, knowing how to teleport off-world moments after killing [that guy who's name I always forget how to spell]. I imagine all other gods (except ZnS) would have had the same thing. ZnS might always have known or figured it out themselves.

Zuzu doesn't have that, she has no real idea of what she is now, only an idea of how she made herself that way, and she doesn't know how to undo it. And since she's stopped trying to end herself for the moment and she isn't making herself much of an annoyance to anyone overly powerful, she's unlikely to find out any time soon

The gods were immortal once (or twice or several thousand times) before Zamorak/Sliske/every-other-godslayer killed them and after everyone forgot. 'Every ship is unsinkable.. until it isn't' :P
Carn

03-Jul-2016 08:11:44

ZAmorakZaros
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ZAmorakZaros

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She still cannot surpass the world guardian and his/her great powers, plot armour, role as a protagonist and infinite armies of parallel themselves that can be called to aid when ever the threat is too great for just one. Like Tuska NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

03-Jul-2016 22:23:36

Hguoh
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Zu Zu is interesting. She's not necessarily immortal (that remains to be seen and tested by the passage of time). Rather, she appears to be invulnerable, having survived multiple attempts on her life with nary a scratch on her even when aiding those trying to kill her or attempting to kill herself.

Her invulnerability could potentially be removed by an even more powerful ritual, but, given she sacrificed a 'family' of sea monsters (which are constructs of anima) for her initial ritual, it would likely take even more anima to undo the first and it would need to be wielded with sufficient knowledge in order to actually do so rather than just bounce off of her invulnerability.

I'd say she's nowhere near the strength of the gods. They may not be able to kill her, but the gods are blatantly able to do far more with their abilities far faster than Zu Zu can. Beyond that, it is likely much easier to imprison or otherwise deal with Zu *u than it is to kill a god (outside of the ones who either want to die or are too busy to defend themselves).

As for what to consider her now... Let's call her Zu Zu or The Occultist if you prefer. What? Azzanadra, despite considering us more than human, still calls us by our name or title. I see no reason to treat Zu Zu differently.

03-Jul-2016 23:36:28

AesirWarrior
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AesirWarrior

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A god could just as easily survive everything Zuzu has. However, unlike her they can actually fully control their powers and they often find themselves in situations where they can be harmed because they fight beings of similar power, many of which have elder artifacts. Just because their powers work differently than hers does not make her more powerful. If anything, the fact that the gods have greater control over it proves their "immortality" is greater.

Would she survive a continent destroying blast from Saradomin or being stabbed with the SoA? Most likely not.

Just because you haven't seen the extent of someone's power doesn't mean they're somehow 10000x more powerful than they've been shown to be so far. Imagine a super strong character that's been shown to lift cars and large boulders. He's shown no upper limit so far, but does that mean it's likely he can lift the earth? No, because there's absolutely nothing that indicates his powers are actually that extreme.

If she actually survived something that a god wouldn't I'd consider her durability greater than theirs, but she's not shown anything close.

And, you know, even if she's more durable that doesnt make her more powerful. Wolverine is far from being among the most powerful comicbook characters around, despite being one of the most durable.

03-Jul-2016 23:39:45 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2016 23:42:25 by AesirWarrior

Raleirosen

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Depends on how you want to define immortality. Is it a lack of aging, or incapability of dying?

In Zu Zu's case I'd say it's a moderate mix of both. She's almost certainly not completely invulnerable, but she's managed to stop aging and she seems immune to your average weapons/magic. Which is good enough, I guess.
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04-Jul-2016 01:12:41

Nolhiir
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You're severely overestimating her.
It sounds to me that she may have accidentally achieved lesser godhood. Which would be... interesting, to say the least.t
She killed someone using the Elder Horn. We have absolutely no idea what this does, but I think we can all agree that it isn't that god-slaying type weapon.
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04-Jul-2016 03:49:15

Maiden China
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Maiden China

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Nolhiir said:

She killed someone using the Elder Horn. We have absolutely no idea what this does, but I think we can all agree that it isn't that god-slaying type weapon.
we can't all agree on that... since it's aleady killed a godMaiden China said:
(please dont mention the chap who got killed by drinking from the elder wine jug)


elder artefacts are basically like screwdrivers for the elder gods. Someone who isn't familiar with their use, and assumes its a weapon, can still poke people's eyes out with it
Carn

04-Jul-2016 19:56:21

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