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Allarla
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Oookay, in hope of some responses that might shed a light on this for me (and that are shared in a civilised manner, if possible, thank you!), what the f… um… freneskaen frenzy was that with Sliske in the new quest?!
In more detail, up to the part with Verac, let's say it's more or less okay. But then I kinda lost it. What I understand is that we found Sliske's secret laboratory (which is another "Oh, really?" moment btw, more on this later), read those books (which are just scattered around in plain sight, riiight…) and watched that memory by touching the crystal (at least that one was a bit hidden). From all this we've learned that:
- Sliske has a master (yet another :P (if it is indeed another, but I don't want to argue about that point here, pls, as it's sort of irrelevant to my question)), who's identity is yet unknown (aside from that it's not Xau-Tak, as Mod Wilson confirmed in another topic)
- the Stone of Jas is used to lure the gods (well, duh…)
- Sliske is pretty much obsessed with us (yikes!), had learned our name back in the 2nd Age already and because of that, he was watching us since our birth (Why is a gielinorian backstory being forced on our character lately btw? First Ashdale, now this… :@), and he sees us as a key element to his plan, whatever that is
- his plan has something to do with extracting souls
Then we went on to the next room, but there, for some reason Sliske got bored with his little Saw rip-off and went to siphon our soul right away. Then seeing our memories, he realised that we've been to his secret room and learned all that stuff about him that I listed above. He got enraged, beat us up, then haven't killed us, but had the Brothers set on us.
My questions are: how did all this make any sort of sense and what was this whole Barrows thing good for? And exactly what part of our discoveries made him so angry in the first place?
(to be continued)
The Green World Guardian of Guthix and of Gielinor

24-May-2016 20:59:14 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:05:48 by Allarla

Allarla
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(continued)
Because okay, we did find out he has a master, but have no idea atm who that is. So not much to reveal about him here. (Not to mention that it could be someone whom he intends to double-cross in the end anyway, as usual. :P) We've already seen as he actually lured the gods together in MPD, and we could guess anyway he's most likely not going to give up the Stone in the end. He dragged us into the game for the Stone by putting us up on the scoreboard for beating Nomad after Nomad's elegy, and he knows darn well that we're called upon whenever something happens - that's how he got us into Kindred Spirits too -, so he clearly "wants us around", especially since we're the World Guardian. That we also could have guessed already, not much new there either. And he wants to temper with souls - yet again, not enough info, we might guess of course that we're one candidate, but until he actually attack us with the Staff, that could be anybody's soul really, and we cannot know either yet who he wants as a host for our soul, or if he wants to make us a host for someone else's soul, but then why does he wants our soul at all… So I don't think we promote here from a pawn to anything else just by getting some knowledge, cause I think that knowledge is far not enough to make us able to start to play this game on our own and not by the rules of Sliske. The only thing we can do is walk away and try to stay away from him as far as we can. But us trying to walk out of his game getting him that ******? Really? I think he overreacted here a little bit. Don't tell me he really had to go full berserk mode here (I would have saved that for a much greater revelation about his plans later on, then it would have been in a place where it actually had made sense). Getting a bit rougher, of course, to make us stay – he had hostages at his hands after all –, and he could have made us stay. But he called the show off earlier anyway, so the point was? (tbc)
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24-May-2016 21:00:52 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:06:49 by Allarla

Allarla
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(part 3)
And then he had us at his very hand – to be honest, he had us from the start, making the whole "game" a bit pointless maybe, because true, one of his books says that the more one experienced in their life, the stronger their soul will be, but did those Barrows "puzzles" give us that much experience and therefore made our soul that much stronger that it made all the trouble with setting them up and going trough with them worth it (especially that he himself abandoned the whole thing after a while)? –, started siphoning our soul and then… he stopped, just because he saw in our head that we knew some parts of his plans. I respectfully ask, so what then? If he just siphoned our soul there, what good this knowledge would have been to us? But okay, he just had his little temper tantrum and needed to let some steam out. But why didn't he just kill us there if then he meant to have us killed by setting the Barrows on us? Not to mention that once we make it out, we quite literally emerge unscathed as the Barrows don't hurt us afterwards – but Sliske takes no notice of this, and let's us just walk away, not even coming after us after giving a good "scolding" to the Brothers for not managing to get and finish us while still underground? But then again, if he gets us killed, what about his brilliant plans that he sees us to be the key for, huh? So sorry, but his whole behaviour seems pointless and out of character to me – him a) being pointless with his actions, b) loosing his cool so easily and over so little (that one paired up with his extremely stupid and crappy dialogue there – ugh, I mean please, he sounds like a lousy villain of some B-rated movie, for Guthix's sake!), and btw c) didn't he want something to liven up things a bit? But when he gets it, he goes all butthurt? (one more)
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24-May-2016 21:02:54 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:12:33 by Allarla

Allarla
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The only things I could bring up in his "defence" are that he's either losing his marbles there a bit, or this was all just an act, and he actually meant for us to find his secret laboratory and learn all that we've learned (or simply that this quest is another case of bad storywriting :P). 'Cause other than that, what would explain having his so-called "secret" laboratory in a place where we could find it as we play along with his game – don't tell me he didn't realise that the staues were going to fall and they could break the walls! If he didn't want his books to be found, would he just leave them lying around on his desks? Remember, we're talking about Sliske here – I would think of him as someone who has all the strings, even the thinest little thread firmly in his hold, and pays great attention to every single detail, even the smallest. But don't misunderstand, I don't think Sliske is any good news for us (I'd actually hate it if he turned out to be the Snape professor of this story :P), it's just that he, as I indicated earlier, plans to double-cross that master of his, using us somewhere in that process, but just now he had to put up this little show to mask his true intentions until the right time comes for him to unveil what he's been up to all along.
Or is it really just me not getting it?
The Green World Guardian of Guthix and of Gielinor

24-May-2016 21:03:14

Raleirosen

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Allarla said:
(Why is a gielinorian backstory being forced on our character lately btw? First Ashdale, now this… :S)

Sorry to pick out a relatively tangential point, but the only thing Kindred Spirits "forces" onto the player character's backstory is that our current name is in fact our birth name. And even that can be handwaved away as a simple convenience on the developers' part if one so chooses.

Comparing that to Ashdale is a bit of a joke.
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24-May-2016 21:08:37

Allarla
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Lethalintent said:
Holy crap space your sentences
Holy crap, learn to read more complex texts! Or a bit about punctuation and its use, that might help too. :| (Sorry to be this blunt, but I don't really like irrelevant posts, especially if they clearly show your own shortcomings in stuff you complain about...)

Raleirosen said:
Allarla said:
(Why is a gielinorian backstory being forced on our character lately btw? First Ashdale, now this… :S)

Sorry to pick out a relatively tangential point, but the only thing Kindred Spirits "forces" onto the player character's backstory is that our current name is in fact our birth name. And even that can be handwaved away as a simple convenience on the developers' part if one so chooses.

Comparing that to Ashdale is a bit of a joke.
I'd like to point out that Sliske's Death at sea contains our actual birthdate too (even though not giving an actual date in numbers, but still) and with that it suggests that Sliske has been watching us from that point. But how did he do that if we, let's say, entered Gielinor at a later point of our life, and up till that point nobody on Gielinor even knew we existed? :P There might be many ways of that - you know, portals and stuff, plus the fantasy setting, but simply the game being a RPG should allow us actually to have the freedom to decide how we ended up in RS for ourselves. (Maybe just simply by not stating actual facts about us here and there, may they be ever so little?)
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24-May-2016 21:28:16

Raleirosen

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Allarla said:
I'd like to point out that Sliske's Death at sea contains our actual birthdate too (even though not giving an actual date in numbers, but still) and with that it suggests that Sliske has been watching us from that point. But how did he do that if we, let's say, entered Gielinor at a later point of our life, and up till that point nobody on Gielinor even knew we existed? :P There might be many ways of that - you know, portals and stuff, plus the fantasy setting, but simply the game being a RPG should allow us actually to have the freedom to decide how we ended up in RS for ourselves. (Maybe just simply by not stating actual facts about us here and there, may they be ever so little?)

I'm fairly certain there's been previous lore that confirms we are in fact both human (pre-World Wakes, at least) and Gielinorian. If someone were to have elements in their backstory that contradicted either of those two points (i.e. nonhuman and/or of alien origin), then they would be bending existing lore to the breaking point even without the specifications provided by Kindred Spirits.

Maybe it's just me but I have trouble finding "You're a human and you were born on this here planet at this particular date" to be very restrictive in terms of RPG mechanics. In any case, Ashdale is guilty of far more crimes.

EDIT: It's also worth noting that a specific date of birth is meaningless given RuneScape's nebulous timeline. I would concede the point if Death at Sea forced a canonical age on the World Guardian, but it doesn't.
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24-May-2016 21:41:46 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:46:28 by Raleirosen

Kittyphantom
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Personally I don't think we're special enough for Sliske to have been watching us our whole lives; The way I see it, he simply stumbled upon mention of our birth and took note of it due to our name matching what the sailor had said thousands of years ago - but didn't actually investigate us and only actually crossed paths with us many years later when we became an adventurer.

(Also, on the matter of otherworldliness, consider our dialogue with the rector of the church in Lumbridge)

And don't knock Ashdale; I love it.
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24-May-2016 21:43:09 - Last edited on 24-May-2016 21:44:43 by Kittyphantom

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