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Oookay, in hope of some responses that might shed a light on this for me (and that are shared in a civilised manner, if possible, thank you!), what the f… um… freneskaen frenzy was that with Sliske in the new quest?!
In more detail, up to the part with Verac, let's say it's more or less okay. But then I kinda lost it. What I understand is that we found Sliske's secret laboratory (which is another "Oh, really?" moment btw, more on this later), read those books (which are just scattered around in plain sight, riiight…) and watched that memory by touching the crystal (at least that one was a bit hidden). From all this we've learned that:
- Sliske has a master (yet another :P (if it is indeed another, but I don't want to argue about that point here, pls, as it's sort of irrelevant to my question)), who's identity is yet unknown (aside from that it's not Xau-Tak, as Mod Wilson confirmed in another topic)
- the Stone of Jas is used to lure the gods (well, duh…)
- Sliske is pretty much obsessed with us (yikes!), had learned our name back in the 2nd Age already and because of that, he was watching us since our birth (Why is a gielinorian backstory being forced on our character lately btw? First Ashdale, now this… :@), and he sees us as a key element to his plan, whatever that is
- his plan has something to do with extracting souls
Then we went on to the next room, but there, for some reason Sliske got bored with his little Saw rip-off and went to siphon our soul right away. Then seeing our memories, he realised that we've been to his secret room and learned all that stuff about him that I listed above. He got enraged, beat us up, then haven't killed us, but had the Brothers set on us.
My questions are: how did all this make any sort of sense and what was this whole Barrows thing good for? And exactly what part of our discoveries made him so angry in the first place?
(to be continued)
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(continued)
Because okay, we did find out he has a master, but have no idea atm who that is. So not much to reveal about him here. (Not to mention that it could be someone whom he intends to double-cross in the end anyway, as usual. :P) We've already seen as he actually lured the gods together in MPD, and we could guess anyway he's most likely not going to give up the Stone in the end. He dragged us into the game for the Stone by putting us up on the scoreboard for beating Nomad after Nomad's elegy, and he knows darn well that we're called upon whenever something happens - that's how he got us into Kindred Spirits too -, so he clearly "wants us around", especially since we're the World Guardian. That we also could have guessed already, not much new there either. And he wants to temper with souls - yet again, not enough info, we might guess of course that we're one candidate, but until he actually attack us with the Staff, that could be anybody's soul really, and we cannot know either yet who he wants as a host for our soul, or if he wants to make us a host for someone else's soul, but then why does he wants our soul at all… So I don't think we promote here from a pawn to anything else just by getting some knowledge, cause I think that knowledge is far not enough to make us able to start to play this game on our own and not by the rules of Sliske. The only thing we can do is walk away and try to stay away from him as far as we can. But us trying to walk out of his game getting him that ******? Really? I think he overreacted here a little bit. Don't tell me he really had to go full berserk mode here (I would have saved that for a much greater revelation about his plans later on, then it would have been in a place where it actually had made sense). Getting a bit rougher, of course, to make us stay – he had hostages at his hands after all –, and he could have made us stay. But he called the show off earlier anyway, so the point was? (tbc)
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(part 3)
And then he had us at his very hand – to be honest, he had us from the start, making the whole "game" a bit pointless maybe, because true, one of his books says that the more one experienced in their life, the stronger their soul will be, but did those Barrows "puzzles" give us that much experience and therefore made our soul that much stronger that it made all the trouble with setting them up and going trough with them worth it (especially that he himself abandoned the whole thing after a while)? –, started siphoning our soul and then… he stopped, just because he saw in our head that we knew some parts of his plans. I respectfully ask, so what then? If he just siphoned our soul there, what good this knowledge would have been to us? But okay, he just had his little temper tantrum and needed to let some steam out. But why didn't he just kill us there if then he meant to have us killed by setting the Barrows on us? Not to mention that once we make it out, we quite literally emerge unscathed as the Barrows don't hurt us afterwards – but Sliske takes no notice of this, and let's us just walk away, not even coming after us after giving a good "scolding" to the Brothers for not managing to get and finish us while still underground? But then again, if he gets us killed, what about his brilliant plans that he sees us to be the key for, huh? So sorry, but his whole behaviour seems pointless and out of character to me – him a) being pointless with his actions, b) loosing his cool so easily and over so little (that one paired up with his extremely stupid and crappy dialogue there – ugh, I mean please, he sounds like a lousy villain of some B-rated movie, for Guthix's sake!), and btw c) didn't he want something to liven up things a bit? But when he gets it, he goes all butthurt? (one more)
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The only things I could bring up in his "defence" are that he's either losing his marbles there a bit, or this was all just an act, and he actually meant for us to find his secret laboratory and learn all that we've learned (or simply that this quest is another case of bad storywriting :P). 'Cause other than that, what would explain having his so-called "secret" laboratory in a place where we could find it as we play along with his game – don't tell me he didn't realise that the staues were going to fall and they could break the walls! If he didn't want his books to be found, would he just leave them lying around on his desks? Remember, we're talking about Sliske here – I would think of him as someone who has all the strings, even the thinest little thread firmly in his hold, and pays great attention to every single detail, even the smallest. But don't misunderstand, I don't think Sliske is any good news for us (I'd actually hate it if he turned out to be the Snape professor of this story :P), it's just that he, as I indicated earlier, plans to double-cross that master of his, using us somewhere in that process, but just now he had to put up this little show to mask his true intentions until the right time comes for him to unveil what he's been up to all along.
Or is it really just me not getting it?
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24-May-2016 21:03:14

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Lethalintent said:
Holy crap space your sentences
Holy crap, learn to read more complex texts! Or a bit about punctuation and its use, that might help too. :| (Sorry to be this blunt, but I don't really like irrelevant posts, especially if they clearly show your own shortcomings in stuff you complain about...)

Raleirosen said:
Allarla said:
(Why is a gielinorian backstory being forced on our character lately btw? First Ashdale, now this… :S)

Sorry to pick out a relatively tangential point, but the only thing Kindred Spirits "forces" onto the player character's backstory is that our current name is in fact our birth name. And even that can be handwaved away as a simple convenience on the developers' part if one so chooses.

Comparing that to Ashdale is a bit of a joke.
I'd like to point out that Sliske's Death at sea contains our actual birthdate too (even though not giving an actual date in numbers, but still) and with that it suggests that Sliske has been watching us from that point. But how did he do that if we, let's say, entered Gielinor at a later point of our life, and up till that point nobody on Gielinor even knew we existed? :P There might be many ways of that - you know, portals and stuff, plus the fantasy setting, but simply the game being a RPG should allow us actually to have the freedom to decide how we ended up in RS for ourselves. (Maybe just simply by not stating actual facts about us here and there, may they be ever so little?)
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24-May-2016 21:28:16

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Raleirosen said:
I'm fairly certain there's been previous lore that confirms we are in fact both human (pre-World Wakes, at least) and Gielinorian. If someone were to have elements in their backstory that contradicted either of those two points (i.e. nonhuman and/or of alien origin), then they would be bending existing lore to the breaking point even without the specifications provided by Kindred Spirits.
Well, that's exactly the point, that there shouldn't be such lore at all imo. I would just like it to say a big fat nothing on my origin. Then there'd be zero bending of existing lore. Simple as that. But that doesn't mean I would want my character to be anything more/else, than human. (I already told you this in my other topic.)

Raleirosen said:
Maybe it's just me but I have trouble finding "You're a human and you were born on this here planet at this particular date" to be very restrictive in terms of RPG mechanics.
Oh, it just restricts your race, age and where you're from, not much else, really. :P

Raleirosen said:
EDIT: It's also worth noting that a specific date of birth is meaningless given RuneScape's nebulous timeline. I would concede the point if Death at Sea forced a canonical age on the World Guardian, but it doesn't.
Well, Runescape does have a calendar, doesn't it? And as I was saying, the devs were wise enough to get around that problem by writing a full sentence that tells you it's your birthdate there, instead of any actual numbers, and I'm fine with that, it's just that Sliske wrote down that date, and from that comes that he knew it and based on how the story went in that book, it came down to me as Sliske having watched the WG from birth, which would only be possible imo if we were born on Gielinor. So there we go, gielinorian origin (sorta) confirmed. :P But once again, I don't want to come from anywhere fancy, but how about e.q. the real world?
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24-May-2016 22:15:08

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Kittyphantom said:
(Also, on the matter of otherworldliness, consider our dialogue with the rector of the church in Lumbridge)

And don't knock Ashdale; I love it.
It's good for you then, my only problem it is that's an in-game thing that makes that origin a canon origin for all of us, even if we don't like it or we have a completely different backstory for ourselves. :(
And for the matter of otherworldliness, consider our dialogue with the bartender of the Blue Moon Inn in Varrock too. ;)

Lethalintent said:
Work on that passive aggressiveness bud. It's unkind.
Having read some of your other posts in other topics, I can say the exact same to you.
Now if you don't have anything to say on topic, you are very kindly requested to stay out of this topic, please. Was that kind enough?
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24-May-2016 22:22:54

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Ancient Drew said:
You're forgetting one little thing...the Enchanted Key... plus Xau-Tak theory
I'm not sure how what you've written comes to what I've asked (sorry, I really don't see the connection), but I actually had the enchanted key in mind, though more as a mode of how someone could be not necessarily of gielinorian origins. (Not necessarily the Enchanted Key itself, but hey, it's a magical item that can make us travel time, so other similar magic items could exist that could make us travel space as well.)
On your theory on Xau-Tak, I have one question: how did he know our name, instead of just challenging the 'World Guardian' in general? Or is it that he learned the name after the events of The Light Within, when we went back to Guthix and because of that he learned that he indeed made a World Guardian and known their actual name as well from that point on?
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24-May-2016 22:43:12

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Lethalintent said:
I think I'll stick around till my discretion. Probably going now.

Not sure what's difficult to get really. Apart from actually reading this quite messy thread. Please put a little more effort into your thread structure next time. Thanks pal.
Not writing in just proposizione semplices... oh, please forgive me, I meant: simple sentences makes my thread messy... Riiight...
You know what, stay as long as you like. Just excuse me ignoring your stay from now on. Thanks.
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24-May-2016 22:49:27

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Kittyphantom said:
Allarla said:
Kittyphantom said:
(Also, on the matter of otherworldliness, consider our dialogue with the rector of the church in Lumbridge)

And don't knock Ashdale; I love it.
It's good for you then, my only problem it is that's an in-game thing that makes that origin a canon origin for all of us, even if we don't like it or we have a completely different backstory for ourselves. :(
And for the matter of otherworldliness, consider our dialogue with the bartender of the Blue Moon Inn in Varrock too. ;)
Oh, no, you've misunderstood - You might actually like the dialogue with the Lumby priest. Check it out; You might find it interesting.
I already had that chat with him. :) Or weren't you referring to the part where he says he thought all otherwordly things are all slime and tentacles? But I answered him that I'm not that kind of otherwordly. ;) I just threw in the Blue Moon bartender as he's actually telling us that Rs is a computer game, which puts irl in there a bit. (I don't like it though that our only answer option is to call him mad for that. There should be another option telling him that we also know it's just a computer game. :P But that's just me. :))
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24-May-2016 23:07:33

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Cthris said:
That's kind of what happens when you don't use sentence structure :P... it makes it rather difficult to know what you're trying to get at.
As far as I remember, I put my questions down there in really simple sentences, but okay, I'll try to be even more simple:
Why did Sliske beat the heck out of us? Wasn't that a bit too much just yet? And was what we've learned of his plans really enough to set him off that much?
Why did he put us through all this Barrows Brothers reality show? What was the point of that?
And does he want us dead or alive now? If the first, why didn't he just killed us? (Aside from the obvious 'we cannot be killed or our gameplay would be over'. :P) If the latter, why did he set the Barrows on us?
Structured enough? :P

Cthris said:
Anyways, I doubt the key plays any part in this mystery. Previously, somewhere around the time that Within the Light came out, Mod Raven has mentioned his distaste for using the key, and telling time travel storylines so I highly doubt that he would be willing to use it here.
I personally didn't say it had or should have anything to do with Kindred Spirits. :P

Cthris said:
Moving on to the topic at hand. Sliske losing his cool when things don't go his way is nothing new. Have you played Fot*? If not, don't continue reading. In Fot*, Sliske gets excommunicated by Zaros from the Zarosian faction. Sliske gets super mad when this happens and even starts threatening the player. So him going off the handle is in line with his previous actions.
Yes, I have, but there I felt it was the right amount of anger. Here I felt it was too much just yet. Later in the Endgame, after revealing something bigger about his plan, it would have been perfect. But as I've said, it might be just me, that's why I'm asking you guys about why he went into such a frenzy already.
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24-May-2016 23:22:58

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Raleirosen said:
That would place an undue burden on the storytellers, especially with how RuneScape's story content has developed. We are a pivotal character -- the main character, one could reasonably argue. Imagine constructing a story in which the protagonist is not only a generic blank slate that millions of people must be able to project onto, but also completely originless. Absurd.
Ever played Quest for Glory? The only restriction there is that the character is a male, but that's it. And that game was made back in the 80s.

Raleirosen said:
Almost all RPGs give you some framework within which you construct your character.
Of course, I'm not arguing with that, up to a point it's necessary, if for nothing else, but because the game has to be programmed. But I think the framework here is the given world and storyline. What I'm trying to say is that I don't feel where we ended up in RS from should be specified in any way, because it's sort of "irrelevant" to the gameplay itself. Like you still have to slay Elvarg for the rune platebody or Guthix still makes you World Guardian, no matter where you're from, or Varrock is Varrock for everyone etc. What matters is what you've done, once in Gielinor, once in the story. (Which is ironically even more limited than our origin, but hey, as I've said, game's gotta be programmed. :P)

Raleirosen said:
RuneScape does not feature race selection, so that's irrelevant. As I said, age is left nebulous enough that your World Guardian can be anywhere from a teenager to a well-worn adult. And "where you're from" is similarly broad enough to include the entirety of the known world (i.e. Gielinor's major continent and surrounding islands). None of those specifications restrict the kind of character you want to play.
As I've asked in the previous post, what if my character is from the real world par example? That's not Gielinor. :P
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24-May-2016 23:47:40

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Cthris said:
*snips the answer that was actually a proper one, for which I thank you :)*
I don't think he wants us dead now. In Fot*, Sliske threatened our lives in a fit of rage. Later, like an abusive lover, he came to us a flowered us with gifts. I expect once he calms down he will think of new plans to make us compatible. I actually believe this quest takes place before DaT, and Elegy. So in my eyes it definitely does.
Arent't 6th Age quests coming out now in order? (Not arguing here, just wondering.)
And funny, I always thought of Sliske as being more "cunning" than that. I mean he plans big, so can he really afford such temper tantrums? Don't think so. Like, what would have happened if he or the Barrows had managed to kill us after all, I wonder? I know Sliske doesn't care for us personally, but then it would have been even more "Bye bye, nicely thought up plans, back to the drawing board with minus one World Guardian!" :P (Yeah, I know, we respawn, but lorewise that's a bit fishy to me tbh. :P) I wouldn't have been this surprised if it was Zemouregal for example, but Sliske... Okay, he gets angry, but such an outrun should be his very last option imo, for as long as he can, he should stay within the zone the spreads from taking a big gulp to threating us verbally, but then rearrange his plan within a second to make us continue doing what he wants us to do. Maybe I overestimated him. :P
And does that mean I am to expect Sliske to show up at my door any time now, with a dozen red roses and a box of chocolates, saying he's very sorry? (*goes all Kerapac saying "No!", and slams door*) :D
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25-May-2016 00:12:15

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N7spongy said:
The reason why he stopped siphoning our soul is because for one time in the entire game, he lost control of the situation. The adventurer learns his secrets from the shadow focus off screen, and he is so annoyed that simply killing us is not enough for him, he gives us a beat down and threatens to kill everyone that we know and love. He's furious to know that we have seen part of his true self.
Sooo... we actually know even more than what was shown on-screen? That would make it more sensible, but please, what kind of gameplay is that what hides facts my character learns along the way even from me? O_o
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25-May-2016 00:15:30

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Cthris said:
Not necessarily. There are no requirements for DaT or Elegy that make it so it has to come after. The jmods have never specifically said either. I think it just makes more sense to have it come before the two. Sliske's journal excludes the death of Tuska, which is odd seeing as he mentions all the other World Events, so I think it fits better with it happening before Tuska, and thus Nomad's Elegy, and I doubt Sliske would fail to mention Zamorak's heist in his book seeing as it mattered enough for him to mark it on his sword.
*sigh* Just when I was hoping that the 6th Age would finally mark quests coming in sort of a linear order... It was bad enough having to keep tying back to the 5th Age every now and then. :P But oh well. :D

Cthris said:
Anyways, you just reminded me. When Sliske is raging about in KS he mentions killing everyone in the room, and everyone we care about, and specifically mentions us respawning in Lumbridge. I'll take that as canon tbh. Seeing as he was planning on us respawning, I'd say he can afford to have that fit of rage.
Yeah, I know he said that, that's why I put it there, but I dunno... Gamewise, of course, I'm totally for respawing, I really wouldn't like to start all over again after every death (or getting a message after one death that says: "Oh dear, you've died! Thus your adventure is over. Thank you for playing RuneScape. Goodbye!" :P :D), but lorewise... It kinda makes everything lose their weight a bit, because even if we die, it's like "Hey, I'mma respawn anyway, then I'll just restock and try again!", until we finally get it right, making us sort of invincible. So, I tend to overlook it and just think of it as a necessary game mechanic, not as actual lore. :P
But isn't killing our loved ones an empty threat then? If they count as NPCs, they'll just respawn too anyway. :D
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25-May-2016 00:53:08

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AesirWarrior said:
Basically, Sliske has been trying this entire time to make our soul more compatible with his. He wants to take our soul, all of it, and make it part of himself. Why he wants our soul is up for debate, though I personally think he wants our anti-god powers, but it's clear this has been his goal for some time.
As far as I remember, he already has anti-god powers due to slaying Guthix. In FotG, he even points it out to Zaros that he's not within his reach anymore.
"Are you sure it's not just because me killing Guthix puts me beyond your control?"

AesirWarrior said:
This entire quest, heck it might run back longer than this quest, he's been trying to make us more compatible with him. He makes us share an experience in the dungeon, makes us torture the barrows brother and so on, all so that our souls are compatible. The soul, you see, is made up of experiences.
Yeah, but if I torture the Brothers only because I must (so the innocent ones don't get tortured instead), and only as much as necessary (at least that's what I was aiming for), and only because Sliske made me do this in the first place... If he could actually talk me into doing it willingly and I'd enjoy it, then I would see a point in this, but if he knows me just a little bit... Not the best of plan he had come up there with, I have to say. :P

AesirWarrior said:
his "plans" were revealed to the player when we looked into the focus... But not to us.
I once again have to ask, what kind of gameplay is that which reveals things to my character but not to me (as player)? O_o

AesirWarrior said:
he punches us to a pulp because he has to prove just how little we are to him, just how angry he is...
As I've said earlier, this has Zemouregal written all over it for me, not Sliske, but that's just my two cents.
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25-May-2016 01:17:03

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AesirWarrior said:
A popular theory is that Sliske is incredibly afraid of death (ironic considering the wight thing), and wants to ensure he can't die. He's already a mahjarrat, he lives for thousands of years, he has the powerful elder artifacts, but the gods... The gods could ***** him away with a flick of their glowy fingers, so he needs protection.
Then why didn't he just ascend? Wouldn't that solved this problem for him? (Well, not 100%, but would have raised his chances a lot imo.) Yet he never fails to mention how much he didn't want to ascend. :P
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25-May-2016 01:19:38

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Cthris said:
Allarla said:
AesirWarrior said:
A popular theory is that Sliske is incredibly afraid of death (ironic considering the wight thing), and wants to ensure he can't die. He's already a mahjarrat, he lives for thousands of years, he has the powerful elder artifacts, but the gods... The gods could ***** him away with a flick of their glowy fingers, so he needs protection.
Then why didn't he just ascend? Wouldn't that solved this problem for him? (Well, not 100%, but would have raised his chances a lot imo.) Yet he never fails to mention how much he didn't want to ascend. :P

I'm pretty sure a jmod mentioned that Sliske thought it was too much responsibility. But also I think it would interfere with his plans. See he's using a god killing contests in order to draw all the gods together in one area. As Sliske mentions, it would be pretty dumb of him to host a god killing contest when he is a god. That's like hosting a human killing contest when you're a human.
Like every god is responsible... :P Don't think so. Sliske could just take the advantages of godhood and not give a rat's ass about the responsibilities part.
And as long as he holds the Stone (along with the Staff), he has a pretty good chance of winning, thus having the Stone awarded to himself in the end and getting rid of all the other gods along the way. But he could go for ascension once the contest is over.
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25-May-2016 01:34:45

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Cthris said:
AesirWarrior said:
See personally I dislike respawning being canon. I'm fine with the explanation, it's not that it doesn't make sense, but I just feel like it devalues the story. Hazelmere rescuing us, Akrisae sacrifising himself, all those deaths... Are meaningless because we can just respawn.

I think it makes their deaths beautifully more tragic. It's almost on a Shakespearian level. Their deaths are so unnecessary, if they had paid a little more attention, like Sliske has, then they would be among the living.
Or simply more moronic, 'cause wouldn't someone with the knowledge that Halzemere has know about this respawning thing, especially if it's something connected to the anima mundi? Akrisae is a bit different then though, because he saved us not from dying but from becoming a wight, and if that nulls respawning as Kastor said, than his sacrifice actually wasn't in vain. But I have to go with Aesir on this one still.
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25-May-2016 01:42:06

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Raleirosen said:
1) You're human
2) You were born on Gielinor during the Fifth Age
3) You dislike cabbage

Okay, in my case that goes as:
1) Yup.
2) Nope.
3) And this is a bad example, I'd say, as it's a thing of personal taste. Just because many don't like cabbage doesn't mean that nobody does. So yes, once again a detail that shouldn't really be in game actually, but hey, after lvl 3, I don't think anyone eats cabbage anymore, so can be ignored on the long run. :D And is this really relevant anyway? (Well, maybe because of this, I won't eat Brassica Prime right away, I guess. :P)
And sorry, but I don't think my backstory is any worse than any other, just because it doesn't meet requirement no. 2. And that doesn't affect my story within the gameplay much.
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25-May-2016 01:52:50

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AesirWarrior said:
Being a god also makes you a much bigger target, and you don't get an afterlife. Of course, Mahjarrat presumably don't go to an afterlife either, but with a human soul....
Hans Christian Sliskensen: The little Mahjarrat? :D
AesirWarrior said:
As for why they reveal something to the character and not to us... It's to build suspense. Jagex aren't going to reveal his plans until endgame, but it makes sense that they'd be in his home, wouldn't it?
That's true, but it's still pretty stupid gamewise imo. Do not reveal the full plan yet then, we already learned enough to want to walk out of Sliske's game, which could enrage him just as well, if enraged he must be - fits the criteria of us not acting like good little pawns anymore, things not going as he planned etc., not to mention he'd know we had a glimpse of his real plans anyway, sooo... It could have been like we were about to look into the shadow focus, but as that cuts to the meanwhile part with the others anyway, we could have just watched that cutscene and show up at its end as having heard Sliske getting louder, ergo realising he most likely discovered that we're not there, so giving up on the shadow focus for now so he wouldn't hurt the others because of us. But once again, that's just me.
AesirWarrior said:
Sliske raging out kind of makes sense when you realise that we don't really know him. He's putting on a play for everyone and he's a schemer, but beneath that mask, do we really know who he is? He couldn't keep up the playful attitude forever, eventually he'd snap (which is something quite a few people predicted).
It's one thing that I can't say I know him, another is that I never expected much good when it came to him. If nothing else, he's a Mahjarrat. Have to be careful with them, no matter what. Just thought he's more of a cunning schemer and it would take more for him to go straight brutal.
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Raleirosen said:
You're quite right, this is all totally beside the point of the thread. I didn't mean to insult you either...
I didn't take it as an insult. :) I was just giving you my reasons on why I see this the way I do. But btw the "Is this relevant?" part was for 3) You dislike cabbage. Because, well, seriously now, does it make any difference if we like cabbage or not? :D
Raleirosen said:
... that's probably just my disdain for edgy mediocre role players bleeding through.
I don't consider myself as such. I just had my backstory (that I have, that is to say, which is mine /Monty Python/ ;)) since way before Ashdale, and don't like Jagex tampering with that, whether they write the story otherwise or not. :P :D On a more serious note, I find it to be a bad idea and unnecessary to go into any sort of detail on us, as we were fine without that before and I think everyone will have their own story anyway, and all of them is just as good as any other backstory, 'cause it's not changing much on what happens in Gielinor otherwise (unless one really goes and blends the given story, like they claim to be a kid of an NPC known for not having kids etc.). The scenery's set, the questlines will go the same (not the few decisions we can actually make, but like you won't be able to do WGS, RotM, TWW or DaT before Cook's Assistant, at lvl 3 and so on).
Raleirosen said:
As one final tangential question, if you'll permit it: is your World Guardian actually from the real world? I ask out of sheer curiosity.
Why do you think I've kept asking you that what if WG is from irl? :P :D But yes, though this might be because of her "coming to life" in 2009 when Ashdale was nowhere to be found on the map, and Lummy was the starting point. At first she was to have a Lumby origin, but after running into one irl reference after the other, it made more sense that she'd be from the real life.
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25-May-2016 04:22:58

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Raleirosen said:
Allarla said:
Why do you think I've kept asking you that what if WG is from irl? :P :D But yes, though this might be because of her "coming to life" in 2009 when Ashdale was nowhere to be found on the map, and Lummy was the starting point. At first she was to have a Lumby origin, but after running into one irl reference after the other, it made more sense that she'd be from the real life.

I actually quite like that.
Glad about that. :)
Raleirosen said:
I've always loved games that manage to provide a compelling story of their own while simultaneously being self-aware enough to gently remind you of what they really are. As an MMOR** RuneScape has the absolutely perfect combination of tone, setting and gameplay for small meta hints like that... y'know, things that poke lightly at the thin fabric of virtual reality. It's unfortunate that those sorts of things have really fallen by the wayside since RS3.
Well, we still get a small reference here and there every now and then. :)
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25-May-2016 19:10:18

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Hguoh said:
And the new information doesn't prevent you from having this backstory, you just need to account for it. As far as we know, the character's current body was born on Gielinor some time during the 5th age and is human.

There is nothing to state that your character's current consciousness is the body's original. You can easily maintain your backstory by claiming that their mind originated in the real world before ending up in the body of a fledgling adventurer on Ashedale (which, if you think about it, is pretty much how playing RS appears to work).
I know I'm gonna be the stubborn one here, and sorry about that, but no. :P My character is from the real world, both body and brain, she got transported into Rs (but not Ashdale - that came only later on with Shadow over Ashdale and Morvenna, but that one as another adventure of hers, not the first one -, but Lumbridge as a starting point), and is trying to stay alive there before it's time for her to come back to irl. ;)

Hguoh said:
Oh, and to address your concern about the character knowing something we don't, I see it as a similar situation to the events of the Dwarf quest line (the character having had their mind wiped (it prevents us from being able to act on the info until the next quest). Heck, they can even play it off by having the piece of our soul which Sliske took be the part containing the memory of those events.
Yeah, but in that quest, at least I 1) knew I was brainwashed, 2) still saw before what my character saw, so I knew as a player what my character was made to forget. But yeah, I guess I'll have to go along with that removed part of the soul theory. :P
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