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This theory actually has a lot of sense to it, I'll be interested to see how it develops.

One argument to go against the whole is it the same mine or a different mine to the Lunar Island idea is that the traditional Rune Essence mine is in fact the Elder Halls of Gielinor, hence why it has so many different blocks from which you can mine essence and it has the four chambers etc.

The Lunar Isle mine is the original place where the Elders left their artefacts including the Catalyst, where they lay for thousands of years longer than they remained anywhere else, hence why they changed this area to such a large extent compared to any other areas. This would suggest that Daeyalt ore is a type of prelude to rune essence that lacks the full exposure to an Elder God / Elder God egg.

There are also more cracks in the mine blocks now than there was back in the day, which could indicate that the Elders may be starting to wake up? If y'all feel like a conspiracy theory that is ;)
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29-Sep-2014 10:58:45

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One thing I'm pondering is how V---- found the Stone in the Lunar essence mine cave (presumably in the late 1st / early 2nd ages). Did Guthix return it there after he had used it throughout the 1st Age?

Actually on that note I think we can conclusively theorize that V---'s discovery of the Stone HAD to have been in the early 2nd Age, since technically the 1st Age ended when Guthix went to sleep, and I doubt he would have just left the Stone lying around while he was still awake and active in the world, so it reasonably shouldn't have been in the 1st Age.

Basically if the theorised timeline is correct it goes something like this:


Pre 1st Age: Elder Gods create Gielinor and leave the Stone of Jas somewhere, most likely in the area north-west of Ardougne where most of Guthix' 1st Age activities seem to have taken place, including the settlement of humans coming through the World Gate and it is also close to the forests of Tirannwn where Seren and the Elves were located (my own personal theory is that it was stored in the area which later became the Lunar Essence Mine due to its hyper prolonged exposure, which is technically geographically close to the Elder Halls if the theory about them being the regular Essence Mine is correct).

1st Age: Guthix discovers Gielinor and the Stone and brings mortal races to Gielinor to live including humans and elves as well as Seren. He finally decides to hide the Stone back in the Lunar Essence Mine where he originally discovered it??? and goes to sleep.

2nd Age: Stone is discovered by human V---- and is subsequently taken away by the Mage Conclave of Kethsi aka "those who walk a higher astral path" to investigate its properties. Dragonkin destroy Kethsi after the Stone is abused and the Stone is abandoned on Kethsi. Zamorak, using the World Gate which is under Zarosian control by this point, discovers the Stone on one of his missions for Zaros and brings it back to Gielinor to use against Zaros in the coup.

etc etc.
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30-Sep-2014 06:33:41

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Pantamalion said:
OR
the stone was always in the Lunar Isle site and the Rune Essence Mine is caused by the presence of the "active" eggs of the Elder Gods themselves(with each mining spot forming above/around each of the eggs)?


That is what I am theorising, yes.
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01-Oct-2014 00:46:34

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Alchimous said:
This is a very good theory and it works well, but it does have one issues if the Stone was always at the Lunar mine, until Guthix hid it. When was it in Morytania?

We are assuming that Guthix found the Stone on Lunar Isle and returned it to there, where it was found by V- in the second age, then moved elsewhere(Morytania goes here?). Then it was found by Zamorak and used to usurp Zaros ...


Rondstat has a great timeline on the Catalyst. Our personal theory is that it was taken away from V---- in the 2nd Age by the Kethsians whilst on their missions through the World Gate and it was returned to Kethsi for study and use, too much so resulting in the destruction of Kethsi by the Dragonkin who left the Stone on Kethsi (we theorise they left it due to how uninterested they seemed in it following Lucien's demise in RotM, just leaving it in the open).

Here, it was found by Zamorak when he was on campaigns throughout the universe for Zaros using the World Gate and he took it, realising its power, and returned it to Gielinor with him and hid it in Morytania to await the chance to use its power to help him usurp Zaros.

After which, Saradomin took it and used it throughout most of the 3rd Age, with Zamorak claiming it again at the end and blowing up Forinthry.

Guthix awakes, confiscates the Stone and hides it deep under Lumbridge and tasks Juna to protect it with the Balance Elemental as a fail safe.

Here it remains until it is discovered by the adventurer in the Fifth Age.


Cthris said:
I still wonder, why the heck did all the elder gods sleep on this continent, whats wrong with the other one(s)?


I wonder if they siphon a small amount of anima from the planet even whilst sleeping to sustain themselves? They must, or they would end up like Mah. They would want to remain on Gielinor for this reason I suppose, strongest anima generating planet they've created this cycle.
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03-Oct-2014 00:49:48

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@ Ezekial

Just because technically speaking there should only be 3 chambers for 3 Elder God eggs moving on to the next cycle, doesn't mean that this one having 4 is particularly discrediting. Perhaps Jas is storing something other than an egg in her chamber. Like herself. Or some chocolate.

Perhaps Jas thinks that her current self can live on throughout the duration of this cycle and also in to the next one somehow.

That's an idea we've never really considered, what would happen if an Elder tried to "live on" past their intended life span by consuming Anima, what would happen?

We're talking about beings that can create planets here so I don't think we can apply much logic here, but I don't recall anything saying that this is absolutely impossible?
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03-Oct-2014 17:13:04

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Gwennol said:
Went to check out the essence mines and the runestone blocks have indeed changed - those cracks weren't there before. Can someone trace down when those have appeared? Last time I was there was during Wanted! quest and it was a long time ago (about 2009, I think).

Also, the exit portals have distinguishing colors now - they used to be just white. Colors (clockwise from North) - green-yellow, violet-blue, violet-purple, yellow-orange. They differ if Bloom is on, hence the blend.


They have been there for quite a while I think, a few years perhaps?

This theory just has so much working for it I'm gonna be hella mad if this isn't true.
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04-Oct-2014 14:26:49

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Robo Hobo said:
Dionysius said:
Pantamalion said:
also, if Jas can only lay one egg, then the extra mine may have been formed from some other source(perhaps it held the Catalyst at one point)


Perhaps it holds Jas herself?


I don't think Jas would be there due to this:


"Q: Are the Elder Chronicles we can find with the Measure after the quest indicative of the current locations of the four Elder Gods?
Q: What is the association between the Elder God of Earth and Entrana?
Mod Rowley: Yes. So, you know when we said you'd interacted with elder gods in the past...? 'Walking on' is an interaction."

-Fate of the Gods FAQ

(Jas's chronicle is near Ullek)


True. Possibly it is an avatar or projection of her awaiting the other three to awaken or something.

Jas strikes me as the type of Elder to have everything planned out.

Maybe she isn't asleep after all and is planning to return to her tunnel thing.

We don't really know much more unfortunately so I guess speculating is all we can do.
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07-Oct-2014 12:28:40

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Actually, can we just examine the wording of the Seren Memoriam Crystal #8 for a moment?

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Thankfully, upon our arrival, my elves embraced Gielinor, recognising its perfect beauty. The elves chose a lush forest as their new home, and I instructed them to build a new city. I left Haluned with them so they would not suffer while I set out to explore this world with Guthix. Guthix showed me much of what he had discovered and done. All the while I was looking for sign of the elders, but to no avail. But then Guthix showed me how their magic was all around us. He had wrought strange stones, infused them with the world's latent power, that could be used to wield the strange elements and work wonders. It was a magic far beneath anything Guthix or I could muster, but it was magic nonetheless, and its origin was clear. My elves came to understand magic through their connection with me, but Guthix's humans literally plucked magic from the ground. As I cannot find the elders, then these runes are my best chance. I must study the source of their power, for within it I feel will be a solution.


Feel free to offer alternative view points but is Seren hinting that the Elder Gods themselves are the source of the magic that creates rune stones, not just the Stone of Jas (which in effect is also an Elder God egg, albeit hard-boiled)?

Is this another step in the right direction to indicate that the Rune Essence Mine is in fact the Elder Halls of Gielinor?
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07-Oct-2014 13:15:44

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Interesting theory Noct, it would be interesting as well if this is something that Jas did not tell the other three Elders she was doing either, and disguised it as her own egg, hence the hexagonal markings on the Stone, thereby ensuring her own reincarnation and also the successful creation of the universe. She is so smart. The original Wise Old Man

08-Oct-2014 08:24:04

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Pantamalion said:
Dionysius said:
Interesting theory Noct, it would be interesting as well if this is something that Jas did not tell the other three Elders she was doing either, and disguised it as her own egg, hence the hexagonal markings on the Stone, thereby ensuring her own reincarnation and also the successful creation of the universe. She is so smart.

I really hope these theories are true, but we may be over thinking it


Lorehounds don't know the meaning of not over thinking things.
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08-Oct-2014 09:48:43 - Last edited on 08-Oct-2014 09:49:04 by Dionysius

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Kylian said:
sooo, do the other elder gods have "eggs" aswell then? or are these (according to this awesome theory) in the essence mine rock formations?


Yes, every living Elder God should (if everything was as it should be) have an egg to hatch their reincarnation.

As for where they are, I would suggest that they are either buried within the rock formation that we mine the Essence from or they are located exactly below these rock formations.

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Also @Noct I remember Mod Rowl*y confirming the shapes denoting the pecking order of the Elders, i.*. that Jas is up the top because hers has more sides and Mah down the bottom. However that doesn't invalidate your opinion, as Pantamalion suggested perhaps that one was meant to house Jas' essence but instead they used it for Mah's and just did a little switcheroo.
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09-Oct-2014 09:10:05

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Edzter said:
It's a nice theory and I had lots of thoughts about it after I found that seren memory.

One thing that bugs me is that the rune essence mine is full of snow and cold, and there is only 1 elder god that can emit cold (according to the elder halls in frenes**a). Surely FuL's presence would not let the snow stay there like that.

And let's not forget the elder chronicles we found with the measure.


But then there's one of the guys from the wizards tower that has a theory that we wont be able to use the rune altars forever as they will eventually run out, and could that be linked towards the great revision.


Well we know from a few in-game sources, I think someone in Rune Mysteries said this? That the Essence mine was located in the far frozen North, hence why the environment is the way it is in the Mine itself. And as others have pointed out, the Elder Halls on Freneskae were only minorly affected by the "elements" of the Elders, with only their own chambers being affected by the looks of it.
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12-Oct-2014 12:12:43

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Browncow45 said:
While I doubt that it will do anything, has anybody actually tested the measure in the essence mines? I really like this theory though. It's cool seeing things concluded right where they started. Now if only they hadn't fumbled whether our hand in rediscovering rune essence were canon or not, I would be thrilled.


I haven't actually, good idea.

I doubt there will be any dialogue but it would still be fun to try.
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14-Oct-2014 09:22:53

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Slayer Gem said:
The Measure is a tool to measure the level of anima right? Well, the Elder Gods are feeding on that anima, so that would mean that if the rune essence mine is indeed the Elder halls, it would be the first to be sucked dry from anima i think. The measure won't work there.


Interesting conclusion, and a possible one.

However it did still work on Freneskae - a planet on which the anima was nearly entirely depleted, so not entirely conclusive.
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