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Robo Hobo

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Hmm, something that would go against this is if the lunar ess mine isnt the same area as the main essence mine we use. While I may prefer they be the same one for different reasons, the whole V---- being 1st or 2nd age theory (instead of late 4th/reason for 5th starting) heavily relies on the idea that the lunar ess mine isnt in the same area as the main ess mine. If they arent the same place then that would show the essence effect either isnt uniqe to the elder god eggs being there, or one egg is randomly in a different place.

Other than that though, those are some good points, maybe something further will be able to say one way or another with prif batch 2.

Though my bet still goes with it being under the tower of life :P
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29-Sep-2014 06:31:51

Robo Hobo

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Hmm, perhaps it could be based on the amount of time the Stone of Jas was nearby the rocks. While in the WGS cutscene it doesn't appear exactly that the nearby rocks are Rune Essence, the Stone seems to have been in a lower part of the Rune Essence cave on Lunar Isle (there's a chasm at which the rune essence rock goes further down), and the moonclan manual suggests the rock had been like that since upon finding the stone, only that he realized after coming back from a long expedition to find it again - since the Stone was taken, after all, they would have had to have been like that since he found it.

IF the theory that V found the Stone in the 1st or 2nd age rather than the late 4th starting 5th is true, then the Stone of Jas would have been there potentially for thousands of years, potentially 4000+ depending on the exact time and if Guthix had moved it from where he first found it.

If it's not, then it would have been there for at most, 2000 years. The Stone of Jas could have been in the FOG cave for some thousands of years potentially, and in Morytania for a similar although more likely shorter time.

If the V theory is true then it would have been in the WGS cavern for 2169 years.

Anyway the point I'm getting at is that regardless of what theory is true, the effects the other areas have had the Stone of Jas in aren't the same as the Lunar Isle or the Rune Essence mine cave, if it is based on the amount of time the Stone has been there, then there's not much room in the timeline for the Stone to be in the main Rune Essence mine cave for some thousands of years, not to mention how much bigger that cave is and with 4 mining spots - even the lunar isle one only has one mineable rock.

It's starting to seem this theory of yours may be rather plausible. :P

Would be rather interesting if it was right too, one of the most significant spots on Gielinor, a place we've all passed through many times oblivious to the fact.
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29-Sep-2014 15:23:36

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Pantamalion said:
OR
the stone was always in the Lunar Isle site and the Rune Essence Mine is caused by the presence of the "active" eggs of the Elder Gods themselves(with each mining spot forming above/around each of the eggs)?


Yeah, that's what I was getting from your original post of the theory, it seems better this way.
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30-Sep-2014 16:17:48

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@ Icyene-Gem

"~ Lunar Isle *

Feel something unusual here. Vaguely similar to the feeling I got in Morytania and also in the vicinity of Fiara's cave where many people engage in the activity referred to as 'the Fist of Guthix'. A feeling that there was once great power at these places."

"~ Goblins and goblin know-how *

Feeling inspired by ingenuity of cave goblins near Lumbridge Flabbergasted would be an understatement! Who knew that pale, cave-dwelling goblins could exhibit such fine motor skills and even finer thought processes? Language doesn't seem to be problematic. There are powerful forces in the area - can't quite put my finger on it. It seems to be familiar but just can't place it. Unsurprisingly, Juna continues to be a pain.

Should return with my Arcana Divining Apparatus to take some accurate readings. I wonder if they will be as misleading as the readings in Morytania, or as strong as Lunar Isle? Lucien will be pleased."

"~ Special considerations for Dorgesh-Kaan ~

Contact Darve and make sure he is properly prepared. Shouldn't run into any problems, but it doesn't hurt to have a bit of muscle in case it's needed. If that interfering Juna decides to cause some trouble, I've got some magicks prepared. Also, remember to pack the ADA for a more thorough research within that area. Must find out what that strange aura is. First Morytania, then Lunar Isle and now here, of all places. It seems different here, but there is no mistaking that familiar feeling."
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02-Oct-2014 19:19:32

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Healthorg said:
I, for one, enjoy this theory.

But here's another monkey wrench:
The four eggs in the Hall (assuming there are four because of the mines,) would be Bik, Ful, Wen, Mah; rather than Bik, Ful, Wen, Jas. Do you see something wrong with this picture?

Either the Elder Gods can produce more than one egg, or the theory is even weaker for the fact that Mah could not possibly have an egg on Gielinor.

Also, a tidbit: The layout of the Rune Essence mines existed long before the concept of Elder Gods and the Halls even existed. Now, it's possible that the Halls on Freneskae were modeled after the Rune Essence mines, but that's something we'd have to ask later.


Good point about the mah/jas thing, I had completely overlooked that itd be 3 instead of four due to not just mah but also jas.

I know its possible that they might be able to produce more than one egg, and I know theres nothing ecplicitly saying they cant, and Im also aware of that soj predessesor quote, yet still I feel it unlikely that they can, and would personally prefer they couldnt, as that would introduce a very interesting situation lore-wise, which would also show just how far Jas is willing to go to secure the future of the elder gods.

In any case it lessens the likeliness of this theory for mebbut I still do like it.
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03-Oct-2014 08:29:33

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Dionysius said:
Pantamalion said:
also, if Jas can only lay one egg, then the extra mine may have been formed from some other source(perhaps it held the Catalyst at one point)


Perhaps it holds Jas herself?


I don't think Jas would be there due to this:


"Q: Are the Elder Chronicles we can find with the Measure after the quest indicative of the current locations of the four Elder Gods?
Q: What is the association between the Elder God of Earth and Entrana?
Mod Rowley: Yes. So, you know when we said you'd interacted with elder gods in the past...? 'Walking on' is an interaction."

-Fate of the Gods FAQ

(Jas's chronicle is near Ullek)
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07-Oct-2014 00:01:02

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Well, the 'all magic comes from Elder Gods' thing is something that Zaros says too in Fate of the Gods.

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Zaros: I shall not speak of it here, but I sense you have an inkling of whom I speak. What I will share is that all magic comes from elder gods, and that magic is fuelled by anima – that which philosophers fancifully call a soul. The elder gods wield their magic to create anima generators * what we call worlds. The young gods’ power is magic stolen from the elder gods. It is limited, fleeting. My power derives directly from anima. I believe Guthix discovered this link, which allowed him to gain the power he did. And it was his knowledge of anima that enabled him to create his edicts... and to create you, World Guardian. With his death, the young gods' eyes have been opened to the divine. And their ignorance would see them tear this world's 'soul' asunder. This cannot be allowed to happen.
---

Probably my favorite chat option from that quest.
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07-Oct-2014 13:35:12

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Cthris said:
I wonder how the egg laying works. From what I see on this thread most people are assuming each elder god produces their own egg... But what if thats not how it works. What if they all work together to produce a batch of eggs, and infuse each egg with their respective essences, similar to the Tzharr infusing ghal with their memories.


This would mean that they would be able to create 5 eggs originally (Though less powerful then previous generations as they don't have mah) as they don't require mah to lay the specific egg.


This would be why Jas would hard boil an egg, most likely the one that would be infused with mahs essence, seeing as it would be useless since they though mah was still born. This would mean their is still 4 eggs left making this theory valid.

An interesting thing to note is that the stone of jas has never done anything that one would associate with jas, no time travel etc. But instead pretty much everything it has done is increase potential in things, from making the lunar clan, and the cave goblins smarter, to creating runes that allowed humans to rise up above the other races, to giving lucien vast amounts of power allowing him to dominate the other mahjarrat. These are all things i would associate with mah.


I rather disagree on the Stone of Jas (As we know it) containing Mah's energy, for few reasons.

It's given knowledge and power, I don't think that's restricted to just Mah. Furthermore, I could say that it does show some time-related bits in that it shows you visions of the past users of the stone. That said, I don't think that shows it anymore connected to Jas than it giving knowledge or power indicating it's any less or more connected to Mah.

But also there's a quote from Seren that may further imply it doesn't contain Mah-related energy.

"The newfound strength emanating from [Guthix] has a familiar feel. Not Mah... This is one of the others." - Seren Memory 5 from Prif
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08-Oct-2014 11:47:55

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[continued]

Although I do agree in the comparisons between the elder gods and TzHaar.

Except that Mah would, in this case, be the Ga'al, though, not the elder god eggs themselves. Jas/Ful/Bik/Wen would be correctly born 'TzHaar' in this comparison. And the elder god eggs would be the TzHaar eggs, and anima the sacred lava keeping them 'warm'.

But that's of course depending on how far the connections go. :P
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08-Oct-2014 11:54:42

Robo Hobo

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Cthris said:
Wahisietel said:
If your theory is correct, why does the Stone of Jas look like the egg that Jas hatched from and not like the one Mah hatched from :P?


Well I believe Jas is the one who put the most amount of work into it, hence why its called the stone of jas, seeing as it would be primarily created by her work, it may take on the more physical characteristics of Jas, she probably had to use some of her life force or something.





unrelated but another thing to think about is that if elder god all laid their own egg, and they weren't created in batches by all the elders like i suggested, then wheres Mahs egg?


i mean even a chicken can lay an egg, its not like anythings restricting her, unless my theory that elder gods help create the broods together, and don't make their own individual one.



The Stone of Jas looking like Jas's egg 'because she put the most work into it' rather than making it herself seems a bit flimsy to me. :P

And there wouldn't be a Mah egg. Does there have to be? I'd imagine due to her weakened state, having spent her energy on creating Zaros, Seren, the Dreams of Mah, and the Muspah, and not having enough anima on Freneskae and no memory of her past-selves, she'd not be able to. Or if she is she hasn't yet.
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08-Oct-2014 23:49:58

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