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Could the amulets have been given to Zilyana by a god, but maybe not saradomin? Perhaps they were meant to be cursed and other gods saw it as an opportunity to sabotage a vulnerable saradomanist general who was clearly desperate for an edge over an opponent.
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21-Feb-2017 20:16:08

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Pilkie said:
Could the amulets have been given to Zilyana by a god, but maybe not saradomin? Perhaps they were meant to be cursed and other gods saw it as an opportunity to sabotage a vulnerable saradomanist general who was clearly desperate for an edge over an opponent.


Possible, but very unlikely since all this did was give Saradomin a massive edge in the war.
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21-Feb-2017 20:22:50

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Ehh, I don't really see how allowing her to get the edge over all the opposing forces would be "sabotage" in any way...

And quite an error on the god's part if they'd managed to send through unintentionally un-cursed amulets first off, and then managed to send un-cursed ones through a second time when they didn't take...! Too much error to have much of a chance of being true, unless the person we're talking about here is either incredibly incompetent or incredibly unlucky.

No, I'm most inclined to believe that this is just straight-up Smurf. Seems to have his style all over it.

On the other hand, to play devil's advocate and go with the idea of someone else being responsible, who's to say someone wasn't listening in on Zilyana/the other generals? Give her a reason to distribute them, so that they're attuned to the thoughts of the powerful (which would still be the case even if she'd ended up just keeping them for bodyguards), and you've got a live feed of intrigue straight from the GWD. Helpful for anyone else who might want dibs on the Godsword -- or even Nex.

21-Feb-2017 20:28:08

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Hazeel said:
Possible, but very unlikely since all this did was give Saradomin a massive edge in the war.


But did they really? Saradominist and Armadylian forces were united up to the point. This caused a clear split in their forces. Yes, it did hurt Bandosian and Zamorakian forces, but the treachery was also revealed, leading to a complete break in alliances and all out chaos.

That sort of confusion is the perfect distraction for Sliske to sneak in and free Nex. It fits with Sliske's old more subtle ways of manipulation before he went theatrical after the death of Guthix.

If Saradomin really sent these necklaces...why didn't he also send a message? Speak to her? A piece of paper explaining the plan?

Frankly, it sounded like Zilyana was manipulated in a desperate moment (she's definitely zealous enough to not think rationally when the pressure is on).

21-Feb-2017 21:30:18

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Could you imagine if a mere human mage had created the amulets and tried to hand them to Silly Zilly to use? She'd have destroyed them outight and chopped the mage into fish bait after flaying them...but if they appeared to be from Sara. . . well...

Humans came up with anti vamp weapons, why not amulets and play Zilyana at them same time? Double the trouble, double the fun! And it would give a potential avenue of a Saradominist version of Virtus.
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21-Feb-2017 21:50:46

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Mewzard said:
But did they really? Saradominist and Armadylian forces were united up to the point. This caused a clear split in their forces. Yes, it did hurt Bandosian and Zamorakian forces, but the treachery was also revealed, leading to a complete break in alliances and all out chaos.


This didn't cause a split. All it did was give Zilyana the oppurtunity to better do it. Bandos and Armadyl might have been fighting with Saradomin, but they weren't fighting for him and that was always going to be a problem. It wasn't a matter of "if" they'd split, but "when". And "when" was coming soon with the completion of the Godsword.

Without the amulets, Zilyana would have had to make a stab in the dark as to how to cut the Armadyleans off and take the Godsword. The whole ordeal would have been a lot messier if the Armadyleans were on equal footing and the fighting would have lasted longer.
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21-Feb-2017 22:18:48

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Mewzard said:
If Saradomin really sent these necklaces...why didn't he also send a message? Speak to her? A piece of paper explaining the plan?


That's line of questioning is a two way street, you know?

If Saradomin really didn't send those necklaces, why didn't he send a message telling Zilyana as much? I mean, this is one of if not the most important general in his armies, one whom he already intervened to save before, in a battle for an incredibly powerful weapon that was made to kill his worst enemy.

Of course, this is the god who neglected to check in on Teragard even once, so I guess its not totally out of the question. In that case though, I guess Zilyana just got stupidly lucky that Saradomin happened to be watching her when K'ril struck her down.

23-Feb-2017 02:04:52

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Hguoh said:
That's line of questioning is a two way street, you know?

If Saradomin really didn't send those necklaces, why didn't he send a message telling Zilyana as much? I mean, this is one of if not the most important general in his armies, one whom he already intervened to save before, in a battle for an incredibly powerful weapon that was made to kill his worst enemy.

Of course, this is the god who neglected to check in on Teragard even once, so I guess its not totally out of the question. In that case though, I guess Zilyana just got stupidly lucky that Saradomin happened to be watching her when K'ril struck her down.


It's entirely possible that for some of the duration of the God Wars Dungeon fighting, he was too preoccupied with other fronts in the war to check in on Zilyana.

For all we know, he didn't learn about the necklaces because he didn't see their arrival or their use in spying/manipulating.

Both in the case of them being Saradomin's idea and Saradomin not being involved but watching closely...it wouldn't make sense for Saradomin not to communicate in a way to verify the truth of the situation.

This being the machinations of a third party for an ulterior goal (Sliske getting a distraction to free Nex for example) while Saradomin is blissfully unaware makes more sense. The God Wars were not one tiny front, but a cross-Gielinor affair of hard fighting and frequent back and forths in terms of progress. You can't watch everyone at all times.

23-Feb-2017 23:13:52 - Last edited on 23-Feb-2017 23:14:29 by Mewzard

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Hazeel said:
Pilkie said:
Could the amulets have been given to Zilyana by a god, but maybe not saradomin? Perhaps they were meant to be cursed and other gods saw it as an opportunity to sabotage a vulnerable saradomanist general who was clearly desperate for an edge over an opponent.


Possible, but very unlikely since all this did was give Saradomin a massive edge in the war.
Unless Saradomin cottoned on to the curse and changed it to his advantage?
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23-Feb-2017 23:21:30

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Mewzard said:
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1. Except that we know he'd been keeping an eye on Zilyana thanks to the RotM cutscene. In addition, this was the battle for the godsword, the weapon that was to be used to kill Zamorak (the god Saradomin had united Armadyl and, albeit partially, Bandos against). The god who Saradomin would later argue so stubbornly needed to die once he was at Saradomin's mercy. Sure, he might not be watching Zilyana all the time during her stay on the Temple of Lost Ancients, but that brings me to point 2.

2. The amulets didn't just appear once. In Zilyana's own words, the amulets appeared each day. I could grant you Saradomin missing them if they had been a one off occurrence, but these appeared repeatedly over the course of months. And then there's the fact that we know that Bree, Growler, and Starlight Zilyana's bodyguards wore them. So it's not like there weren't any around for Saradomin to see.

3. You base your assumption that Saradomin would tell Zilyana the amulet's purpose on what exactly? Given his unwillingness to spell out his plan in Sliske's Endgame even if you allied with consistently (wow, you plan to win the stone, shocker), I find myself rather doubtful that he'd be any more clear with Zilyana.

4. Yes, I guess it does make sense that it could be a third party. Considering the distinct tactical advantage the amulet's gave Saradomin's, his desire to end Zamorak, the purpose for the battle in the temple, and that the amulets appeared multiple times for an extended period of time and were worn by Zilyana's bodyguards, forgive me if I place my bets on it being Saradomin.

24-Feb-2017 03:13:53

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