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Elf of Seren
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As a side note, ages ago Osborn said that Tumekin went to sleep at the end of the God Wars. Clearly that is no longer canon, as he blew up, but we all know that Jagex like to pull things like this together, usually. I think that it may be fair to say that he was sleeping during the Second Age, as well, mirroring Guthix. Him waking and destroying everything, I think, may have just been a fun foreshadow of what was to come with Guthix. Moreover, it was said, I believe at RuneFest, that Amascut is tearing up parts of Menaphos looking for Tumekin.

So, it could easily stand that his body or something is hidden under the city, and his mind is asleep in the Kharid-ib, or something, and Iccy, Amascut, and the Facets just have to put their power together, and it'll be another Seren revival thing where we can pick and choose what parts to give him (I am assuming that the Revival quest will be released after Menaphos, and take place in the 6th age, like TLW did).

God of the Sun, Goddess of Light. I think it's fair that they have similar revivals. His story seems to mirror Guthix' as well, so there may be some history between the three that we have yet to hear about, which may explain why the lesser gods weren't banished as well, considering that they did not play a vital role, as Brassica, Icthlarin, and Amascut did.
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27-Mar-2017 04:10:49 - Last edited on 27-Mar-2017 04:27:49 by Elf of Seren

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Wahisietel said:
My point is that lore from before Tumeken's sacrifice was a thing is obviously not going to reference it.The phrase "within the last age or so" would include the current age (5th), meaning it happened in the 5th or 4th.


Now follow that conclusion through. If lore is written prior to a big decision about what it references is made, it's not likely to be all that accurate. Beyond that, I disagree with your interpretation that the sphinx must only be referring to the 5th or 4th ages (instead of referring all the way back to the 3rd) because new information contradicts that conclusion (and I'd prefer the sphinx not being outright incorrect on the subject).

Wahisietel said:
We know that Robert was reincarnated 2139 years after the fact, and that Bob has a completely different memories and personality to Robert, which is not the case with Neite/Ka.


How does when Robert reincarnated have anything to do with anything? As Ka explained, Icthlarin fully taking over reincarnation duties has made reincarnation more rare, not impossible. And as for his memories being different, again, we don't know the process that led up to him reincarnating. Personally, I'd think that the clergy of Amascut retaining their memories is more the exception than the rule due to Icthlarin needing them to reign in his sister.

27-Mar-2017 20:14:35

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Wahisietel said:
Neite's story says that she started destroying her own followers, and that HER LAST REMAINING FOLLOWERS cursed her. Amascut killing her followers and inexplicably not devouring the souls of a few of them so they get reincarnated makes no sense.


Amascut may be able to devour souls, but she's not the one able to sever them from their physical bodies. She'd only have from the time Death or his helpers severed the souls from their bodies to the time they were delivered to Icthlarin to intercept them and devour their souls. Is it truly so hard to believe that she wouldn't be able to intercept them all and that the 'Last Remaining Followers Neite refers to are the souls left undevoured?

Wahisietel said:
In-universe, no time has passed since Smoking Kills, so it still makes sense for her to take that form. There's nothing to indicate that Amascut is capable of taking any sort of non-physical form, or that the one in the event was, since all other living stuff in the underworld is mortal. Especially considering it's implied that her forms are a result of possession, and not truly her own.


That was true prior to the 6th age. Now, time is officially passing in parallel with the real world. So Amascut has been in the Sumona form for a few years now. And the very fact that Amascut can 'adopt a corporeal body' that will cast her out tells you that she must have some incorporeal form (otherwise, she'd just cease existing).

27-Mar-2017 20:15:02

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Wahisietel said:
Yeah, but Mod Rowley has stated that Amascut and Icthlarin WERE affected by the edicts (just not to the same extent as the other gods), so we should probably assume the High Priest's dialogue is based in some truth.


As much as I love Jmod statements, the in game information is much more pertinent. And the current explanation of how the Edicts work (Guthix's personal Ban List) doesn't really mesh with Amascut and Icthlarin being affected differently outside of just not being included in it (hence why Zaros was able to affect Gielinor upon the completion of the communion portal (he wasn't included in the Edicts as he and Guthix were never active at the same time) and why Brassica was able to manifest on Gielinor when the Edicts were up, (Guthix didn't see him as a threat)).

Wahisietel said:
At any rate, we're getting super off-topic, and my main point was that there was no single event that led to Amascut suddenly becoming mentally unstable, and that it happened over time as a result of a combination of factors.


Well no duh. But to say that certain events didn't play a significant role in her destabilization would be just as fallacious. And there are 3 particular events (seeing the Mahjarrats' Ritual while on Frenekae, going up the volcano to where Mah was, and Tumeken's self-detonation) that have been pointed out as doing just that.

27-Mar-2017 20:15:21

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according to legends, Tumeken entered a deep sleep and dreamed. Every day for four days he would visit a section of his lands and at the end of each day he would create one of four avatars of his essence: Het, Apmeken, Crondis, and Scabaras.


I'm gonna go with that. Honestly, this isn't the first fictional universe where powerful beings enter some transcendent sleep and creates aspects of themselves.
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