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Hazeel

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Just did Phite Club and....I have to say I'm pretty confused. Obvious spoilers.

OK so...why are we helping Osman obtain the throne? He was just established as an untrustworthy traitor, the Emir doesn't like him, Senliten says he's unworthy...and I agree he's unworthy. While he might be better intentioned, he seems like an even worse candidate for the Pharaoh as he is.

...So yeah, why help him? It seems like I'm doing all this work just to replace a terrible Pharaoh with another terrible Pharaoh. What's stopping us from just killing him where he stands? After all, it would have been the appropriate punishment for his treason, had it not been for the Emir's generosity. And with that out of the way, we could have either

1) Had Leela take the throne.
2) March in there and take it ourselves.
3) Allow Al Kharid or Sophanem to send in a replacement.
4) Just kill the Pharaoh and let the chips fall where they may

All of which seem like better alternatives to Osman. Why are we just ignoring all of his issues?
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11-Jun-2017 08:20:19

Hazeel

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Zulkir said:
Osman is certainly better than the disgusting fat mess the previous Pharaoh was.


Is he? Nothing's improved and whereas the previous Pharaoh was corrupted, Osman is willfully choosing to be a power hungry tyrant. The fact that he has good intentions doesn't make it better.
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13-Jun-2017 01:07:45

Hazeel

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Yeah, that whole thing is confusing. Ozan tells us that two of the faction leaders are evil, and the other two are incompetent tools used for evil, while Senliten tells us that Osman is currently unworthy of possessing the throne and would be just as bad in his current state. Osman has shown no signs of change, has shown several signs of rejecting Senliten's advice, won't try to better himself at all and the former Pharaoh is almost completely innocent by comparison.

As for "rights", the former Pharaoh came from a line of people whose "right" simply came from the fact that assassinated the current Pharaoh and nobody challenged it for hundreds of years. This whole quest seems weird...we're pretty much teaming up with the most corrupt government officials and taking over through bribery, lying, assassination and....basically everything Senliten said made for bad leadership and why Menaphos was in its current state.
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13-Jun-2017 08:02:58 - Last edited on 13-Jun-2017 08:03:37 by Hazeel

Hazeel

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Half Centaur said:
Wahisietel said:
The very little postquest dialogue the quest has with the menaphite citizens says that Osman is pretty much the same as the old Pharaoh. He played us for a fool.


That's not postquest dialogue now, is it?

You'd think mentioning the coup would be a pretty big deal, but as far as I've seen, none of them bring it up, and they just keep complaining about "The Pharaoh".


...The one right next to them?
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15-Jun-2017 06:06:38

Hazeel

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Zulkir said:
Osman is not a perfect Pharaoh, Infact I should replace him His daughter could very well replace him, still. Doesn't mean he's all bad. Wanting to broker peace despite everything that was revealed about his underhandedness is still a big step up.


If good intentions was all it took for a good leader, we wouldn't have any issues with Saradomin, now would we? =P
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17-Jun-2017 16:20:52

Hazeel

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Zulkir said:
Bad intentions followed by bad actions will always be worse than Good intentions followed by bad actions ;)


Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
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18-Jun-2017 02:01:22

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