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Zevrant Bapt
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So we all know Dragon Rider Armour, armour of the Ilujanka.
What most people know it for is its Prayer bonus.

...Why does this armour give such a massive connection to where we gain our prayers from?

Almost every item that gives a prayer bonus is heavily related to a god, yet Dragon Rider Armour itself has no immediately apparent connection to a god.
While Dragon Rider Gloves do have the symbol of Zaros on them, this symbol vanishes upon being upgraded.

My personal idea on the matter; since Zaros was the one who introduced the Ilujanka to battle, he was most likely the one who showed them how to create armour and weapons.
Leaving a direct impression and connection to him on the armour's craft.

But just having a connection to a god can't be the only reason, otherwise the Shard of Zaros would give an astronomical increase to prayer, and so would Crystal items in terms of Seren.

Any other thoughts on this?
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24-Aug-2016 19:56:14

AesirWarrior
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They armour doesn't have any connection to a god, but gods don't have to be involved with prayer (though you're right, of course, that most armour with prayer bonuses is god related). Remember, the Ilujanka believed in the force Olun'Dai, and they might have tried to express their relationship with it through their clothing.

It also seems to be like the Anima Mundi (probably their interpretation of it), which seems to be connected to the Afterlife, which IS connected to prayer.

EDIT: I don't think there's really any inherent physical power in equipment with "prayer points". It's more likely they just have symbolic value. Armour with a religious or spiritual connection simply strengthens the wearers faith. There's not some mystical energy from Saradomin in Monk Robes for example. The only power they hold is the good ol' fashioned power of belief.

- I also think Necrovarus' notes just straight out explaining how prayer really works was a bit forced. Nothing against the explanation, but the way it was handled could have been done better.
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24-Aug-2016 20:16:24 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2016 20:38:02 by AesirWarrior

Raleirosen

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I always just figured the dragon riders were super spiritual. Not necessarily devoted to a god, though. They seem like the ancestor worship type.

Edit: Nevermind, forgot they believed in the Force'dai. Thanks Aesir.
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24-Aug-2016 20:17:32 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2016 20:19:35 by Raleirosen

Ancient Drew
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^ It has been stated before that prayer power comes from the souls of the dead and not gods, so yes, I would say this prayer bonus comes from the connection with the Olun'dai. Prayer comes from burying bones or offering them to an altar, using the Ectofuntus etc. (as such offering respite to the dead, rather than offering said souls up to your god). If it was due to a connection with a god, then technically everything that's ever existed should give huge bonuses to prayer, especially in Gielinor as the Elder Gods are there. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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24-Aug-2016 20:24:45

Zevrant Bapt
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Yeah, I had thought it would be more connected to their belief in the Olun'dai.

Though more on this part.
AesirWarrior said:
I don't think there's really any inherent physical power in equipment with "prayer points". It's more likely they just have symbolic value. Armour with a religious or spiritual connection simply strengthens the wearers faith. There's not some mystical energy from Saradomin in Monk Robes for example. The only power they hold is the good ol' fashioned power of belief.


What exactly is it about belief that increases your connection to the spirits?
Could it be that the items you wear that are affiliated with a god attract the spirits who were of that faith in life, making them assist you more than usual?
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24-Aug-2016 20:48:07

Ancient Drew
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Possibly. But the main thing is, not only the prayer boost but also any experience gained, is done by appeasing the dead. Another instance of this is killing a ghost with the ectoplasmator, as the spirit's release is probably done by the ectoplasmator and not by actually killing it. The same goes with burying/offering bones, as the soul of the defeated lies within them.

Basically, assuming that magic, prayer, divination and summoning are the Anima skills, Prayer is the delivery of souls into the Anima Mundi, which may have created such souls to begin with. Summoning is borrowing spirits from the Spirit Realm (which may be a pocket dimension inside the afterlife), Magic is a combat style which taps directly from the anima and the energy is processed through runes, and Divination is recycling energy leaked from a dead god into the Anima Mundi.
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24-Aug-2016 21:04:00

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I do think there is a reason why it has a good prayer bonus, but I don't think that wearing it would ever actually help you in an in-lore sense... people who use prayer wouldnt be better of wearing it than otherwise

Not any reason I can think of though, not one that makes sense. I mean... I could guess that it's because nearly all of their race is dead and the rest are dying off. Maybe centaur and dragonkin armour would then have a large prayer bonus also (except you couldn't wear either... oh wait... nevermind, graardor's armour somehow fits)

and maybe it's a combination of their dying race and the fact (if it is a fact, it might not be) that they're older than this universe... meaning they'd have billions upon billions of dead people increasing the power of their 'prayer'.
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26-Aug-2016 08:51:10

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I don't think you can take things like armor stats and levels as strictly canon. Otherwise you have to start treating absolutely everything in game as canon, and that gets problematic pretty fast. Humorous 4th wall-breaking aside, the simple answer is that the devs wanted to make the KBD relevant again, but didn't want to massively upset the balance of PvM drops with such a low level boss, so they added BiS prayer items (a very niche stat). Raven happened to sneak some lore in with it, and the lorehounds ran with it far more enthusiastically than the devs even anticipated.

Flashforward to 1oaK, and the natural progression is to round out the BiS prayer gear. Now, I certainly do enjoy when game mechanics and lore are able to intersect. And perhaps we'll eventually see this addressed. But as far as I know, Void Armour does not canonically let you hit harder than anything else. A full suit of plate armour made of solid gold does not provide less defense than a tiny strip of leather around your head. And dragonrider armour is not holier than an item blessed by a god or enchanted by the dead.

27-Aug-2016 09:10:56

Kittyphantom
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Rondstat said:
I don't think you can take things like armor stats and levels as strictly canon. Otherwise you have to start treating absolutely everything in game as canon, and that gets problematic pretty fast.


Does it? It's kind of how I used to do things... ;P

Anyway, re: Necrovarus. What I'm about to say clashes with a JMod quote or too, pretty sure, but since some people ignore those anyway and prefer to focus on headcanons that contradict the ingame lore as it stands... I'll use that as an excuse here.

They don't call me the pious for nothing. I like to think of the gods as mystical and powerful. Quests that effectively depict them as such (like Hero's Welcome or The Death of Chivalry) are very welcome to me. I don't want to peg prayer down to spirits and stuff - There's way too much already in the game that goes against this retcon. Actually, was there an actual reason for the retcon beyond giving Godless players a justification for using prayer? If that's all, why not make the spirit thing an *additional* source of prayer rather than the sole one?

So I'd prefer to think that Necrovarus, being a priest from the Eastern Lands (where they don't believe in gods, the heathens) is simply biased. Learning they actually exist has forced him to rationalize to cope. (No ports spoilers pls, all I've seen is what John Strum told me)
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27-Aug-2016 16:06:37 - Last edited on 27-Aug-2016 16:07:50 by Kittyphantom

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Once upon a time everything was unrelated to each other. Magic came from runes, of course supplied by the gods.. Prayers came from gods. Summoning....was just there. The Afterlife was a place to go, created by the gods.. Jas was the bogyman who left a rock laying about. The gods obviously created everything and everyone. And special attacks were just pulled out of thin air.

The something changed. Prayers came from the spiritual realm, the Afterlife. Magic came from elsewhere...with runes just acting as catalysts. Summoning was related to a spirit realm. A god just ran about helping solve the current mess that the Afterlife was thanks to his sister, they didn't create it. Jas seemed to have been doing a lot for that just making a rock garden, but still the bogyman. And special attacks still came out of thin air. And Saradomin made everything and everyone.

Then more change. Magic, Prayer, Summoning, Divine essence, Special attack, Souls, ghost... the list is quite extensive.... was all link through one thing. Anima. Though it came in differing types, like an electromagnetic spectrum Divine seemingly super compressed into the soul housing it. Otherwise we'd all be gods already. And the gods didn't seem to have made any of this universe but ascended to godhood. Only the Elder Gods could create life.

Then we learn the Anima Mundi, while not alive in the way we tview it. Did create, change and tweak things at need, possibly by trial and error or instinct, though it could later use any avatars or life it was linked to, to streamline such an ability.

The Anima is an energy field, like a spectrum of various types and properties. It has wonderous uses, if only we could figure out how to manipulate the properties of one to get another. That journey has just started for us.

As for the armour? Colud it not simply have been imbued, even accidently, to act as a prayer amplifier?
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27-Aug-2016 17:09:35

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