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Renzler
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What was
Guthix's
opinion of
Zaros
?

Did he ever know anything of him? Did
Seren
mention him ever?

I know they never met, but I am curious to any information if anyone has any on Guthix's thoughts or perception of Zaros.



In the Memorial to Guthix I dont believe there were any memories involving Zaros, I forget if there were any on Seren.

Also does anyone know if there is any information on his opinion or relationship with
V
?
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20-Feb-2018 03:14:10

Hguoh
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From the Light Within:

Player: Zaros has returned in my time. He's corporeal again.
Guthix: 'Zaros'... I have heard this name before. Seren spoke of him. I am not aware of his presence. If he was here, he departed long before I awoke.
Player: He was slain by one of the gods you banished, but has since returned.
Guthix: To return from death is an unnatural act requiring great power. Be wary of this god, adventurer, such power rarely comes without a cost.

Granted Zaros really didn't die, but Guthix definitely wouldn't have liked the 2nd age Zaros. Considering, you know, Guthix wasn't a fan of gods interacting with mortals, and Zaros was very hands on with mortals at the time.

It's also fairly likely that Guthix wouldn't like Zaros as he is now even if we assume that Zaros is being 100% transparent and honest because Guthix didn't like worship of gods in general (even when done voluntarily without duress) and even worked to cease worship of himself at times.

20-Feb-2018 04:16:47

Adventurerrr
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It is as Hguoh said, Guthix trust on Zaros wouldn't be possible after learning what the god wants to do to reach his goal. Seren had informed him of Zaros. He knows little but never in person. He warns us of him.

As for V. There is no relationship. V respected Guthix's and his edict, Guthix allowed him to say goodbye to his fellow fremennik and moon clan. That's it.
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20-Feb-2018 17:48:26

Renzler
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Adventurerrr said:
It is as Hguoh said, Guthix trust on Zaros wouldn't be possible after learning what the god wants to do to reach his goal. Seren had informed him of Zaros. He knows little but never in person. He warns us of him.

As for V. There is no relationship. V respected Guthix's and his edict, Guthix allowed him to say goodbye to his fellow fremennik and moon clan. That's it.



It doesn't make much since to me that
Brassica
was able to avoid the edicts, yet
Marimbo
had to go,
Seren
had to leave but chose her alternative and wasn't even involved in the God Wars, but she was a powerful god I suppose.
V
was basically nobody and posed no threat yet still he had to leave.
WE1- Aligned/
Saradomin
(W)
WE2- Aligned/
Armadyl
(W)
WE3 -Aligned/
Godless
(W)

21-Feb-2018 02:53:07

Hguoh
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Renzler said:
Adventurerrr said:
It is as Hguoh said, Guthix trust on Zaros wouldn't be possible after learning what the god wants to do to reach his goal. Seren had informed him of Zaros. He knows little but never in person. He warns us of him.

As for V. There is no relationship. V respected Guthix's and his edict, Guthix allowed him to say goodbye to his fellow fremennik and moon clan. That's it.



It doesn't make much since to me that
Brassica
was able to avoid the edicts, yet
Marimbo
had to go,
Seren
had to leave but chose her alternative and wasn't even involved in the God Wars, but she was a powerful god I suppose.
V
was basically nobody and posed no threat yet still he had to leave.


Since Guthix had to personally remove each god from Gielinor, there's been some theories that Brassica may have ascended after the initial creation of Edicts and, therefore, was unaffected by them.

As for Seren, Guthix thought she had killed herself, so he made no attempt to expel her.

21-Feb-2018 03:08:13 - Last edited on 21-Feb-2018 03:08:58 by Hguoh

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Hguoh said:


Since Guthix had to personally remove each god from Gielinor, there's been some theories that Brassica may have ascended after the initial creation of Edicts and, therefore, was unaffected by them.

As for Seren, Guthix thought she had killed herself, so he made no attempt to expel her.


Last year's easter event had Guthix directly adress the problem of Brassica Prime:
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_egg_(cabbage)


Original message details are unavailable.
I had pondered long and hard what do to with Brassica Prime and our conversations troubled me at first.
It gave me complicated responses, full of confusion but still displaying a deeply profound connection to the Anima Mundi. Deeper than almost any other I had encountered.

It talked of 'concentrated nutrition', with a clear awareness of place in the cycle and acceptance of the sacrifices that we all must make.

And provided no small measure of amusement.

With further discussion it seems it in fact had an extensive understanding about our vision despite its obsession with 'deliciousness' and how that should be considered so important.

I was left to think both long and hard.

My only resolve was that I could not banish this one.
-
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

21-Feb-2018 11:43:34

Adventurerrr
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Renzler said:
Adventurerrr said:
It is as Hguoh said, Guthix trust on Zaros wouldn't be possible after learning what the god wants to do to reach his goal. Seren had informed him of Zaros. He knows little but never in person. He warns us of him.

As for V. There is no relationship. V respected Guthix's and his edict, Guthix allowed him to say goodbye to his fellow fremennik and moon clan. That's it.



It doesn't make much since to me that
Brassica
was able to avoid the edicts, yet
Marimbo
had to go,
Seren
had to leave but chose her alternative and wasn't even involved in the God Wars, but she was a powerful god I suppose.
V
was basically nobody and posed no threat yet still he had to leave.


Eh remember the desert Gods were not removed either, Same goes to Amascut who is a threat. Guthix only removed those that were a big influence to the world. Brassica was somewhat connected to the Anima mundi, as seren said "In his own crazy way" Guthix respected the world's anima that he allowed him to stay. The tier 7 gods of the desert were all tukeken broken personality with his heart seen as an artifact. So yeh. While they were worshipped, they did not have any direct influence to the mortals. Minus Ichtalrin who helps Death, and Amascut who used to, but she wasn't really doing much until after the edict.
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21-Feb-2018 17:14:45 - Last edited on 21-Feb-2018 17:18:41 by Adventurerrr

Adventurerrr
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Hguoh said:
Renzler said:
Adventurerrr said:
It is as Hguoh said, Guthix trust on Zaros wouldn't be possible after learning what the god wants to do to reach his goal. Seren had informed him of Zaros. He knows little but never in person. He warns us of him.

As for V. There is no relationship. V respected Guthix's and his edict, Guthix allowed him to say goodbye to his fellow fremennik and moon clan. That's it.



It doesn't make much since to me that
Brassica
was able to avoid the edicts, yet
Marimbo
had to go,
Seren
had to leave but chose her alternative and wasn't even involved in the God Wars, but she was a powerful god I suppose.
V
was basically nobody and posed no threat yet still he had to leave.


Since Guthix had to personally remove each god from Gielinor, there's been some theories that Brassica may have ascended after the initial creation of Edicts and, therefore, was unaffected by them.

As for Seren, Guthix thought she had killed herself, so he made no attempt to expel her.


WE told Guthix of her situation, plus in seren's memory when she was shattered, she had told Guthix of her elves situation, and what would happen if she leaves. He knew, wanted to help, even told her to hide with him, but she couldn't.
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21-Feb-2018 17:16:40

Hguoh
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Adventurerrr said:
WE told Guthix of her situation, plus in seren's memory when she was shattered, she had told Guthix of her elves situation, and what would happen if she leaves. He knew, wanted to help, even told her to hide with him, but she couldn't.


We told him she shattered herself and asked if she could be rebuilt. His response amounted to, 'I don't know, but you'll probably need the biggest chunks of her. The elves can sing crystal, so you'll probably need a pretty powerful song of theirs to affect her form. Oh, and good luck coming up with a way to patch up the parts that are missing because I've got no idea for that.'

So yeah, for all we told Guthix, he could only hypothesize a way to restore her comatose physical form (which we did in the quest, and was the reason we had to go through the puzzle trouble on Freneskae). He had no idea if Seren could be restored or was alive to be restored. In essence, she was as close to dead as a god can be without actually dying, and Guthix had no way of differentiating between dead and 1 millimeter from dead (especially not if you made him think that Zaros, a god, did manage to come back from the dead).

That's not even taking into account the time travel aspects of this. Did we change the timeline so that Guthix initially didn't know and now would, or was it truly that way the whole time? We don't know, cause Runescape has played time travel both ways.

21-Feb-2018 17:50:59 - Last edited on 21-Feb-2018 17:56:27 by Hguoh

Adventurerrr
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Hguoh said:
Adventurerrr said:




I doubt we changed it, remember we are the cause for a lot of things. DOD is an example. If we weren't around to time travel. But, let's say "we changed time" Then there is a loop that still states that we visited Guthix, so we were there in the past either way, before we knew it. He did know she lived, nowhere ingame do I recall him saying "dead/death".

Again, she told him of the elf situation and informed him of what she planned on doing in her memory, she states that she will hide, but not with him, she wants her elf to live. And this is without the logic of time travel, so he knew she lived if her essence was to keep them alive. He was only upset that she choice the matter of shattering herself, remember, Guthix knew she loved her people and stated she would rather shatter herself than leave them. He didn't know why, he would only later after he visited her.

So we can say for sure Guthix knew she was alive, (we can't say he thought or didn't because no where in game supports that thought.) He knew that she was going to shatter herself, and later found out why because Seren told him.

So, in this reality, we didn't change time, time took course as it was suppose to. If we did change it, The elves would have not been on Gielinor, or a mentioned when we traveled around before the quest was out.
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21-Feb-2018 22:24:53

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