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The Xau-Tak bit is interesting, but Xau honestly doesn't seem to fit in this case.

Keep in mind, this is Sliske we are talking about. And if we know anything about him, it's that he only ever serves himself and his own interests.

I guess what I'm getting at is this: it is far more likely that the mysterious voice is an ally of Sliske, rather than an actual master.

I'm rather inclined to believe the Schizophrenia idea (especially with the duality of his masks: light and shadow, positive and negative, etc...).

Or, alternatively, as the speaker seems to know quite a bit about the Siphon, the Catalyst, and the Dragonkin, the speaker might just be Jas (or maybe the stone itself).

23-May-2016 18:11:27 - Last edited on 23-May-2016 18:12:01 by Hguoh

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Michael200 said:
Am I the only one who wondered if it was Mah...or at least a Mah's consciousness...separate from her body?


Nah, Amascut fills that role better (explaining her desire and even ability to consume souls as well as what exactly happened when she went up the volcano and was left on Freneskae).

24-May-2016 02:48:14

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Miu said:
Sliske's master definitely sounds similar to Zaros, or at least someone or something relevant to the elder gods and their tools. Perhaps an artifact itself, perhaps the sixth elder god, maybe a dragonkin, but I'm betting on Zaros.

Considering we know that Sliske didn't make a journal about Zaros excommunicating him, and he wasn't truly angry until we saw his secrets, it's very possible the excommunication was a ruse he had planned with Zaros. He seemed more upset at the Easter Bunny than having Zaros abandon him.


That's more of an issue with KS not requiring Fot* (so Fot* can happen after KS and Sliske might not yet be excommunicated for every one).

27-May-2016 00:29:59

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Rondstat said:
Hguoh said:
Miu said:
Sliske's master definitely sounds similar to Zaros, or at least someone or something relevant to the elder gods and their tools. Perhaps an artifact itself, perhaps the sixth elder god, maybe a dragonkin, but I'm betting on Zaros.

Considering we know that Sliske didn't make a journal about Zaros excommunicating him, and he wasn't truly angry until we saw his secrets, it's very possible the excommunication was a ruse he had planned with Zaros. He seemed more upset at the Easter Bunny than having Zaros abandon him.


That's more of an issue with KS not requiring Fot* (so Fot* can happen after KS and Sliske might not yet be excommunicated for every one).


I think there IS a set order in which the 6th Age quests take place, just the approach to skew more lenient with quest requirements these days makes that order more vague. I would assume that, canonically, Zaros' return is set well before the Sliske endgame series, but it has little enough narrative impact that it doesn't matter gameplay wise.


Even if you take that approach to it (which has no support behind it), it still doesn't make sense for it to be Zaros. We would already know what his voice sounds like, so if it was Zaros we'd have recognized the voice (there's no reason for the speaker to disguise their voice when the recording was not meant o be seen by anybody other than Sliske or the speaker).

27-May-2016 02:32:06 - Last edited on 27-May-2016 02:33:12 by Hguoh

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Syrus Coy said:
That scene was a flash back before Fotg
Sliske literally was talking about how he just got the stone of jas and the staff, thanking the "mysterious voice"


Its zaros. everything fits


The only communication Zaros had with his followers pre-Fot* was via the portal at Senntisten. The cutscene was very clearly not happening in the restored Senntisten Temple. Zaros and Sliske literally couldn't have been talking to each other in that scene if it happens before Fot*.

31-May-2016 18:11:40 - Last edited on 31-May-2016 18:14:36 by Hguoh

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Hazeel said:
Hguoh said:
Syrus Coy said:
That scene was a flash back before Fotg
Sliske literally was talking about how he just got the stone of jas and the staff, thanking the "mysterious voice"


Its zaros. everything fits


The only communication Zaros had with his followers pre-Fot* was via the portal at Senntisten. The cutscene was very clearly not happening in the restored Senntisten Temple. Zaros and Sliske literally couldn't have been talking to each other in that scene if it happens before Fot*.


From what I recall, you don't need to be anywhere near the portal to use it. Zaros is supposed to be able to communicate with you mentally wherever you are.


Source?

01-Jun-2016 17:26:16

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Hazeel said:
Azzanadra: When that happened, we created a communication portal in this temple allowing us contact with our Lord. It was more successful than I dared hope, [Player]!

Azzanadra: I used to hear him all the time - in my head, guiding me, bringing me strength and wisdom.


2 bits from Azzanadra's memory:

Rumours are spreading throughout the empire that the Empty Lord was destroyed in the battle. I cannot believe that. There is no power in this world capable of destroying him. He must be out there, but the portal has failed to establish communication.

and

I hear him! I hear his voice in my head. Yes, Lord. I will do as you command. Saradomin will be crushed for his insolence. Zamorak will be punished for his betrayal. Armadyl will suffer for his arrogance. I will mete your vengeance upon all of them!

And I thought it had already been agreed upon that Azzy had gone a little nutty by this point.

01-Jun-2016 18:04:03

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Some of our favorite contenders can be rendered largely unlikely by certain aspects of what the voice said.

It's likely not some other personality of Sliske because the voice speaks at least once while Sliske faces toward us and we see he isn't speaking (granted, the crystal could have been recording his thoughts as well).

It's likely not Zaros or an elder god due to the use of the mortal names for the Siphon and Catalyst.

The concise and direct statements make Viggora an unlikely candidate as well (plus, he considered his fortress beautiful in the Declaration of Viggora, whereas the voice cares not for beauty).

Armadyl is unlikely given his advocation against Sliske and his position as a participant in Sliske's competition. He's also not known for speaking so curtly.

Even a Dragonkin is unlikely since Sliske wouldn't have had to capture another one in order to find the Stone if it was.

The rest of our options are either largely unknown (Queen of Ashes) or have no known significant experience with the Siphon (Hostilius).

Are we sure it's not gonna be a new character?

04-Jun-2016 21:41:04

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Hazeel, we've also heard Zaros's voice when listening to his memories, which are of a time long before he could have ever considered us or anyone else besides Seren or Mah as a potential listener (admittedly, this would be the sound of his thoughts, but if you want to make the case that Zaros was speaking to Sliske via the mind this still applies).

And as for the speaking through people's minds, we only have four occasions where Zaros has been observed to have or been said to have done that:

1. Drakan hearing Zaros's voice in The Old Blood.
2. Zaros entering the threshold of Zamorak's mind in the Empty Throne.
3. Azzanadra hearing Zaros's voice in the 3rd age after the communion portal did not work (by his own admission in his memory, he merely 'divined' Zaros's will prior to the coup rather than take direct orders).
4. Zaros entering the threshold of our mind in Fot*.

Due to his drained and defeated state, there's no way for Zaros to have been speaking to Drakan or Azzanadra in either 1 or 3. And as for 2 and 4, Zaros was in the immediate proximity to Zamorak and the Player, showing no capacity to do so over a long range.

Edit: Also, the voice specifically calls the Siphon the staff, while Zaros distinctly has only called it the Siphon (this appears to extend to the other artifacts as well as he only calls the stone the Catalyst as well).

05-Jun-2016 18:22:15 - Last edited on 05-Jun-2016 18:41:42 by Hguoh

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Hazeel said:
You missed one. He called Char to him mentally in the second age to investigate Seren.


For the life of me, I could only find information that Char had been ordered on the expedition to Seren's lands by Zaros, but nothing indicating it was by mental order. Even still, I would attribute such a communication to Char's own abilities, given her apparent awareness of everything happening in the caves during Firemaker's Curse (she also mentions not being able to sense Zaros anymore) as well as possess the Firemakers, rather than anything on Zaros's part.

05-Jun-2016 19:40:21

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Hazeel said:
Lethalintent said:
Rykan said:
I personally believe this mysterious voice to be that of Jas.
Sliske was standing next to the stone of Jas after all, we also know Sliske was attempting to further investigate the stone. I wouldn't be too surprised if he somehow found a way to tap into its power in such a way, that it linked him to Jas.

I like to think of it like a mobile phone.
A mobile phone that burns continents.
"Hello, this is Jas, please leave a message after the beep".


But the voice calls the artifacts by mortal dubbed names, Jas would never stoop to that level to use mortal slang.

It could be an elder god that never had anything to do with Artifacts, or perhaps creation itself. Wen, maybe?


Elders wouldn't use language at all. Period. They have no means of communicating to us except through their own creations.


Technically, Sliske is an Elder God creation though. And if we were hearing his thoughts (and not what was being spoken aloud), we would have perceived it how Sliske (as a creation of an Elder God) translated it. That still wouldn't explain why the mortal names were used, however.

12-Jun-2016 20:58:28

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Sepulchre said:
So... have we been told yet if it's someone we already know/know of, or if it's a new character?


According to Mod Raven, they already have decided who the voice will be. This does not eliminate the possibility of a new character, but it does make it seem unlikely.

13-Jun-2016 04:48:59

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^ The main issue with it being Kerapac, or any other Dragonkin for that matter, is that Sliske wouldn't have needed to trap another Dragonkin in order to use it's curse to find the Stone of Jas.

And it's likely not Strisath, the dragonkin Sliske captured, because he makes fun of the look on, 'that dragonkin's face,' in the cutscene rather than using a 2nd person pronoun (ex: the look on your face).

Edit: And the issue with the Raptor is a distinct lake of known experience with the Staff of Armadyl. It makes the possibility for him to suggest using the staff in some atypical way rather unlikely as well.

24-Jun-2016 15:10:38 - Last edited on 24-Jun-2016 15:14:51 by Hguoh

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Sepulchre said:
3.) Having a necessity/desire to gather all the gods together in one place. (Note that Sliske says all the gods will come, the Voice only says "This will bring them?" He could be referring to only one or a few of the gods, not all of them.)


Just a thought, but what if the voice isn't referring to the gods. But wait, I hear you saying, then Sliske's response doesn't make sense. Normally, I'd agree with that sentiment, but what if Sliske's response was simply stating the circumstances that will obviously draw 'them' out?

If that were the case, there are three potentials 'them' could be.

1. The elder gods (draw all the gods together, kick off a competition or brawl in the right place, and you could wake the elders).

2. The dragonkin, or at least the Necrosy*tes (so many false users in one location, potentially weakened or distracted by what Sliske has planned).

3. And this is my favorite. The player (would we really miss a meeting of all the gods?). Unfortunately unlikely since, you know, Sliske tried to steal our soul (unless, of course, he only needed our body).

24-Jun-2016 15:27:18

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Loristic said:
Snip.


Except Sliske appeared to be referring to the look on the dragonkin's face when he found to Stone of Jas (since the line immediately follows him crediting the voice for the tip off about the Stone and Staff). So again, no need to capture Strisath in order to find the stone if he had Kerapac, and no need to use a different term than 'your' if he was talking to Kerapac about his face.

And it's not a matter of the mysterious voice knowing just knowing the staff is useful. As I pointed out earlier, Sliske thanks the voice for the tip off about the Stone, claiming that he'd have never found it without the voice's help (in other words, definitely before the Ascension) and then mentions that he never thought that the Staff could be used that way. In other words, the voice knows enough about the Staff so that it could be used to find the Stone (and potentially how to repair it, given the orb on top was replaced).

26-Jun-2016 04:49:38 - Last edited on 26-Jun-2016 04:50:26 by Hguoh

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Well if we are going by my, the gods are bait idea, then we should consider who it is the voice wants to draw in.

As Sepulchre points out, the first to come to mind is the Dragonkin. Now, all things considered, who has such a beef with the Kin, or at least the Necrosy*tes, to want them all in one place and is either clever or powerful enough to actually do something to them once they are there?

Of course, there's an alternative. It could be that the goal is to get as many elder artifacts and their 'stolen' energy in one place at one time so as to act as bait (the Staff, Stone, and Crown will be there, the Measure and Kiln could be there, and most of the gods involved have taken some energy from one or more artifacts), but then you run into the wall of figuring out who or what would definitely be drawn to that.

28-Jun-2016 18:58:09

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AesirWarrior said:
Anyway this reminds me of a theory I had a while ago. In Death's office the stained glass windows depict Guthix giving Death his scythe. Now, this doesn't make much sense, as Harold was already Death before Guthix made him a Guardian of Guthix, and the scythe is vital in his role as it's the tool that severs the link between soul and body.

My theory is that Death's limitation of only being able to take those whose time have come was placed upon him by Guthix to maintian balance. Guthix realised how dangerous an unhinged Death would be that he tied a large portion of his powers to the scythe.

In fact, there's actually dialogue in TWW where Death says that Guthix did in fact bestow a weakness upon him. However, I'm not sure how "canon" that is, because it seems to have been made before the lore that the first person to die becomes Death and appears to imply that Guthix made Harold Death.


Considering Death can also kill with his touch, I highly doubt that the scythe is necessary for his job. Rather, it likely just makes it easier/quicker.

Also considering Guthix's jaunts about the universe, connection to anima, obsession with Balance, and the fact that he brought humans to Gielinor, it's entirely possible that everything Harold knows about being Death he learned from Guthix. This would mean that the scythe actually could have been Guthix's creation and that any limitations on Harold could either have been applied by Guthix's own power, or just points where Guthix misled him.

07-Jul-2016 16:57:33

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