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Lady Icyene
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Orikalkum Dragons, or Dragon Dragons, are mentioned in the journal of the dragonkin Forcae.
Even after the creation of the mighty Rune Dragons, Forcae knew he could do better. Orikalkum or Dragon metal, would create the ultimate metal dragon according to Forcae.
However, in order to do such a thing, he would need a pure vein of orikalkum ore. The problem is that would be much easier said than done. It is said in the journal that orikalkum only exist in ore form on the dragonkin home planet. According to known history, the dragonkin home planet was destroyed eons ago by the elder gods Jas, Ful, Wen, and Bik. While the dragonkin only survived by hiding in the abyss amongst the rubble of previous universes destroyed long ago.
Meaning unless there are either orikalkum ore on other worlds, or there is a decent quality ore vein on the ruins of the dragonkin home world in the abyss Forcae's dream will never be a reality.
Especially due to the likelyhood of the death of Forcae at the hands of his owns creations when he tried to "teach the Rune Dragons respect"

28-Apr-2016 14:29:11

Ancient Drew
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It's possible that a Dactyl could have salvaged some orikalkum from the previous cycle and kept it in a safe place. That same one could have been a genius smithy who made the armour and weapons that we can pick up from monsters around Gielinor. Here are some examples:

Mace: Dropped by muspah, adamant dragons, camel warriors, and Glacors.
Claws: Dropped by tormented demons.
Dagger: Dropped and sold around Zanaris.
Scimitar: Sold at Ape Atoll.
Magical equipment and tools: Dropped and/or sold around the Keldagrim area.

This equipment, and more examples, suggest that either the Dragonkin who made it had an accident with getting out of the Abyss and his equipment scattered around Freneskae and Gielinor, or that he gave them to his fellows to fight False Users. This also implies that wherever the Stone of Jas has been, you can find dragon equipment and, presumably, stores of orikalkum.
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28-Apr-2016 15:55:43

Cybernet377
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Lady Icyene said:
Orikalkum Dragons, or Dragon Dragons, are mentioned in the journal of the dragonkin Forcae.
Even after the creation of the mighty Rune Dragons, Forcae knew he could do better. Orikalkum or Dragon metal, would create the ultimate metal dragon according to Forcae.
However, in order to do such a thing, he would need a pure vein of orikalkum ore. The problem is that would be much easier said than done. It is said in the journal that orikalkum only exist in ore form on the dragonkin home planet. According to known history, the dragonkin home planet was destroyed eons ago by the elder gods Jas, Ful, Wen, and Bik. While the dragonkin only survived by hiding in the abyss amongst the rubble of previous universes destroyed long ago.
Meaning unless there are either orikalkum ore on other worlds, or there is a decent quality ore vein on the ruins of the dragonkin home world in the abyss Forcae's dream will never be a reality.
Especially due to the likelyhood of the death of Forcae at the hands of his owns creations when he tried to "teach the Rune Dragons respect"


Obviously there has to be some of it somewhere that we can get to for the Mining rework to go through, either on Gielinor or via the World Gate. That limits it down to the 10 worlds that can (theoretically) be traveled to, plus Gielinor.

And I hope that Forcae is dead.

Orikalkum Dragons, or worse, Necronium Dragons, would be horrifying to fight.

28-Apr-2016 22:57:00

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Well there's little doubt that Forcae's original body is dead (there's no reason for another dragonkin to have been there). The question remains, however, if it died as a result of him trying to discipline his rune dragons, if that was his orikalkum dragon's doing, or if he successfully transferred his mind into the orikalkum dragon and then incinerated his old body.

28-Apr-2016 23:17:37

Sepulchre
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It is certainly possible for an orikalkum dragon to exist.. in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if yes, Forcae IS the Orikalkum dragon. Wouldn't it be interesting to see this as a bossfight in the Dragonkin quest series?
Either way, the existence of the creature is highly likely.. or at least a plausible conclusion.
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29-Apr-2016 04:46:52

Lord Drakan
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It only makes sense that the Dragonkin would attempt to create a metal dragon using the Necrosy*tes' *own* dragon metal. So yes, I reckon Dragon dragons do exist, perhaps one will feature in a future Dragonkin quest as a boss. The Consortium of Extra-Planar Merchandise Transferral Specialists might not like it... Bizarre Boron Fusswell. Minigames&ninja fixes&cheevos&comp cape

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30-Apr-2016 17:40:34

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I'll toss in random theories:

- Metal Dragon development didn't start until maybe around the time Guthix ascended. (We know the KBD is old, as is the QBD, but I can't imagine that the Dragonkin's efforts to make dragons has been on going for too long in terms of the cosmic timeline)

- Dragon/Orikalkum were relatively rare, and as a weapon, just as rarely needed, since up till then, your weapon tiers were:
Bronze to Steel
Orikalkum
Rare but specialized/enchanted gear
Elder Artifacts

- Forcae or whomever had rampant success with the Orikalkum Dragons learning from all his previous "mistakes" with other metal species.
Orikalkum Dragon numbers multiplied very quickly.

- As we see with Bronze-Rune Dragons, the Orikalkum scales would drop bar quality at times when killed (either by other territorial Orikalkum Dragons, or when their handlers wanted to cull the numbers.) Thus, larger scale Dragon Weapon smithing could now commence.

- Many weapons were created, and managed to eventually fall into the hands of the annoying lesser races as they were stolen, dropped, etc.

- The lesser races could never figure out how to make new weapons, since they could never find the Orikalkum Dragons, but they could figure out how to repair damage/rusted out Dragon Weapons. Thus the term "dragon smithing" was born, though it was an improper usage of the term.

- Eventually, lesser races such as the Fairies and other races could become specialized in the repairs, to the extent that it seemed like they could make new weapons. And perhaps, they could do something like reforge a Dragon 2H into 2 Dragon Longs or Daggers.

- No new weapons have been produced in the last few ages because no one could find more Orikalkum ore or Orikalkum Dragons.
Though this will eventually change when the World Guardian lucks into finding their location.

01-May-2016 05:21:44 - Last edited on 01-May-2016 05:22:17 by sir eos lee

Sepulchre
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This may be entirely irrelevant, but I was looking and noticed:
The picture of a dragon can be seen on the Anti-dragon shield.. and it's red? Could this have something to do with Dragon dragons, since they'd most likely be red? Where does the shield get its dragonfire-resisting properties anyway?
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02-May-2016 06:40:28

Fat N Wacky
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Sepulchre said:
This may be entirely irrelevant, but I was looking and noticed:
The picture of a dragon can be seen on the Anti-dragon shield.. and it's red? Could this have something to do with Dragon dragons, since they'd most likely be red? Where does the shield get its dragonfire-resisting properties anyway?


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11-Jul-2016 07:14:54

Sepulchre
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Fat N Wacky said:
Sepulchre said:
This may be entirely irrelevant, but I was looking and noticed:
The picture of a dragon can be seen on the Anti-dragon shield.. and it's red? Could this have something to do with Dragon dragons, since they'd most likely be red? Where does the shield get its dragonfire-resisting properties anyway?


Asking the important questions!

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Still with no answer, might I add... :P
A
World Guardian
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11-Jul-2016 07:28:51

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