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Hguoh
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In the player character’s case, Death prevents our soul from crossing over, allowing us to be ‘revived’ by preventing a true death.

Therefore, there are two fairly obvious methods to prevent a ‘resurrection’ like the player character:

1. Irreparably damage the soul.
2. Reap the soul so they can pass over.

31-Oct-2018 21:38:53

Cthris

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Hguoh said:
In the player character’s case, Death prevents our soul from crossing over, allowing us to be ‘revived’ by preventing a true death.

Therefore, there are two fairly obvious methods to prevent a ‘resurrection’ like the player character:

1. Irreparably damage the soul.
2. Reap the soul so they can pass over.

Number 2 is wrong, or at least is far more nuanced than that. Zanik was reaped and she was able to be revived--the player has also visited the Fremennik spiritual realm upon his or her death suggesting the adventurer was "reaped" and crossed over before returning.

01-Nov-2018 00:12:25 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2018 00:16:04 by Cthris

Hguoh
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Cthris said:
Number 2 is wrong, or at least is far more nuanced than that. Zanik was reaped and she was able to be revived--the player has also visited the Fremennik spiritual realm upon his or her death suggesting the adventurer was "reaped" and crossed over before returning.


Zanik was reaped and revived yes. Do note, however that it was not Death but Icthlarin who revived her. My objection was to a death reviving somebody.

And yes, the player's soul crosses into the Fremennik afterlife in Blood Runs Deep. That being said, they are greeted by Eir who claims that they are not supposed to be there yet (echoing Death's sentiment that it is not yet our time), which appears to indicate that we had not yet been reaped much for the same reason Death has yet to (especially since Eir is speculated to be a death as well).

Do keep in mind that crossing over after getting reaped appears to be a feature of Gielinor's afterlife due to the presence of the River Noumenon acting as a barrier to souls that have yet to be reaped. Should the Fremennik afterlife exist on a plane without such a barrier, souls could temporarily cross over without being reaped (essentially allowing near death experiences on such planes).

02-Nov-2018 02:21:52

Cthris

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Hguoh said:

Zanik was reaped and revived yes. Do note, however that it was not Death but Icthlarin who revived her. My objection was to a death reviving somebody.

While yes, there is nothing that outright contradicts that theory that Death cannot revive souls he has reaped the theory is still needlessly complicated.

The simplest route to take is that any soul, as long as it is undamaged, can be revived by a god (Bandos, Icthlarin, Amascut etc.) or Death. The reason why it is the simplest route is because if we assume that the only thing stopping Death from reviving Pestilence's victim is that Pestilence reaped the soul then why does Death not ask Icthlarin to revive the soul like he did Zanik? Death and Icthlarin have a good relationship and as Icthlarin leads souls across the river it is not like Icthlarin would have to go out of his way to find the victim's soul. We would also need to explain why Death cannot revive reaped souls while others can in order for this theory to work thereby introducing further entities to explain.

It is far simpler to assume that Pestilence damaged or destroyed his victim's soul. There is no evidence supporting that reaped souls cannot be revived by a death--what need do we have for such a superfluous stipulation?

02-Nov-2018 02:52:17 - Last edited on 02-Nov-2018 02:56:48 by Cthris

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On a side note: was there not some lore at some point that said that Death gave pieces of his scythe to certain individuals for some reason or another. I feel like it was in a podcast but maybe it was in game.

02-Nov-2018 03:03:01

Hguoh
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Cthris said:
The reason why it is the simplest route is because if we assume that the only thing stopping Death from reviving Pestilence's victim is that Pestilence reaped the soul then why does Death not ask Icthlarin to revive the soul like he did Zanik?


It's actually pretty simple, and it's the same reason Saradomin sought the wand of resurrection: truly resurrecting somebody is normally both difficult to do and takes a lot of power. I mean, Icthlarin made it explicit that he could only resurrect one person.

Cthris said:
We would also need to explain why Death cannot revive reaped souls while others can in order for this theory to work thereby introducing further entities to explain.


Because, generally speaking, Death isn't too powerful (especially when you compare him to the gods), and has several limits on his own power. As he puts it himself:

I can only strike a killing blow on those who are due to die. I cannot take the lives of those whose time is not over, and equally I cannot save a life that is due to end... As much as I may sometimes wish to.

And it is pretty hard to save somebody after they've properly died.

Cthris said:
There is no evidence supporting that reaped souls cannot be revived by a death--what need do we have for such a superfluous stipulation?


Because he hasn't done it before. Because he explicitly saves us by refusing to reap us when he could just resurrect us if he were capable. Because Jagex has made a notable effort in expressing that true death is difficult to undo.

02-Nov-2018 13:07:12

Hguoh
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Cthris said:
On a side note: was there not some lore at some point that said that Death gave pieces of his scythe to certain individuals for some reason or another. I feel like it was in a podcast but maybe it was in game.


Missing Presumed Death: Icthlarin:

Death does have fail safes in place: helpers that are able to use shards from his scythe to release souls.

02-Nov-2018 13:11:43

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