Sleepy Trevsaid: If you looked not even 5 years ago blue phat was like 200m, which was like 5 nex drops in a trio/quad. It wasn't hard to get one back then and many people kept theirs. People worked and earned what they achieved, don't ruin their greatest possession in runescape. If you don't have one and want one, don't make it easier and buyable, work for it and earn it like most people did.
Blackwingsaid: Tbf, what's supposed to indicate sarcasm there? Without the winkie face, it'd be impossible to tell whether it's sarcasm or not, and even with it, you know, I've seen you use winkie face lots of times before where you haven't been sarcastic.
If you don't want to risk mistaken for being serious, just use the "/s"
Yet if you look at most of my other posts its clear i dont support this.
Turkstasaid: And suggesting a tradeable/ untradeable partyhat makes little to no difference. Most people would still disagree just from the simple fact that they don't want any more partyhats to be added.
Genuisdragonsaid: JOKKU23 take me off the supporter list I AM NOT A SUPPORTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I gave it some thought and came to the conclusion that it should NOT happen. So take ME OFF THE LIST!!!!!
Rip at this rate he wont have any
OT: Turkstasaid: Anyone who had a heart would understand that rereleasing partyhats will cause the items' value to crash and make the efforts and hardwork of partyhat owners go to waste. Honestly theoretically speaking most of your supports are probably players who don't even play the game much. If they did then they'd understand and respect the status of partyhats and leave it as it is.
Which reminds me once again, how long till this thread gets locked?
Jokku23said: More importantly, Tafy is missing the point why I'd like partyhats to be accessible to everyone. Not because they are used for investments and status symbols, but because they were supposed to be fun holiday items for everyone to enjoy.
So is the santa and chicken suits among others, yet those arent getting rerelease thus neither should phats.
Jokku23said: I'm glad to see the amount of faith you have on this thread! Only the very best suggestions reach 2000 posts. There's a long way to go, but maybe with all your support it will be possible! Cheers!
Please once again take my name off list.
I dislike how you think i said 'support' but i have never said it once.
We have been through this before so please stop adding me to support list.
If you dont comply, i can get some fmods involved.
Jmods have recently confirmed partyhats will never be released via TH
(Source [RS] The Month Ahead - March video on twitch) Time of statement on stream : (38:25) 38:25 says nothing about Treasure Hunter. He says "We're never adding partyhats", which is obviously a joke as they are all laughing. So don't worry! Your "confirmation" was just a joke!
Also, let's see... wildy, free trade, old school... Jagex confirmed that these would never come back. But, they did. Things can change. Especially if a lot of people support! Cheers!
Kalea Spritesaid: So, supporting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter would actually help Jagex increase two revenue streams, their sales of Bonds as well as their sales of Keys.
Thus, supporting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is a guaranteed method to help more people enjoy the partyhats, as well as help Jagex increase sales which means they will be able to fund the development of awesome new updates for everyone to enjoy!
Zooerastiasaid: Was looking for the lending thread for party hats when i stumbled across this.....
I've played Runescape for 13 years and only this year been able to afford a party hat after choosing to buy a AGS instead of a purple party hat when they were the same price.
It's a ridiculous concept to re release partyhats; it's something I've wanted for probably the last 10 years and finally got lucky and managed to get one. Think how unfair it would be on those who have spent years making GP to buy one for it to Drop instantly.
Micrometresaid: This has to be one of the most selective and patronising threads I've ever come across. The creator of the thread disregards all other points people have made and selects only the points they can argue whilst being patronising with the points they cannot argue.
No point trying to have a discussion with children people! Plus that Kalea girl who seems to reply a lot is so patronising with her responses I can't help but cringe.
Pkngsaid: No Phat holder has earned one with hard work, Please. You either picked one up in 2003 or actually merched your way ( I think its RWTD instead) So you can drop that. PHAT prices are all manipped at the moment and hope Jagex does something to control it.
Military Godsaid: I like this idea just as much but i couldnt agree more with Draco Burns. Why should a new player get the same benefit as a player from 15+ years ago it would be drastically unfair. And like he said not everyone was given a party hat, some ppl worked really hard for one. I think the rareness adds to the game giving ppl an amazing goal in trying to get one that only few succeed. The only thing i feel is they shouldve never exceeded 10b it is a bit much but so be it.
Kalea Spritesaid: It helps correct the markets, more people will be able to party with the Partyhats and, it helps Jagex raise funds to hire more people to continue developing the game and release awesome updates for everyone to enjoy!
Yet th as it is, w/o phats, seems to be doing this just fine.
D E L A Ysaid: I actually think if it was to be polled, a majority of people would vote for them to be released simply because a majority of the population probably doesn't own a party hat. Without trying to sound rude all I have to say in regards to that is too bad.
I mean look at the 07 splashing poll. Theres a reason it didnt pass you know
Why would anyone in the greedy mindset say no tp phr33 st00f.
a dogsaid: Why haven't you repeated your fantastic arguments in 20+ pages? Since 20+ pages, all I have heard are pointless and trivial arguments. If you expect people to come to your side, you have to start posting these compelling arguments.
The merchant aspect had been debunked by myself many times over that partyhats are not as OP as you think they are.
Also, RWT will happen with or without partyhats, look at OSRS. It is a rule in RuneScape not to RWT, and people already get banned for doing so.
0ld Nitesaid: Look people, nobody cares about your phats. Most of us are adults and only play this game for recreation. They already re released the phat on osrs so it already doesnt matter if you have one. Grow up
Exit Woundsaid: i agree with you juan but theres no point commenting on this thread, those who want phats released will argue against everything you said and think you're wrong no matter what you tell them. theyll complain about how badly everyone wants them, rwt, and price manipulation. save your energy and ignore this thread lol
Whatusaytomesaid: As a chromatic owner, I call it unfair that any other partyhats raise their values with no crash risk, for more profit than most legitimate hard workers in game make in months of work.
Blue has raised 8b since April, which is 5 months ago. That is not earned or fair and is extremely overpowered.
I find it unfair i cant win any other golden warpriest or barrows armors... /s
Ahurasaid: This thread is not so much about manipulation, rather this thread is a complaint on phats being so highly priced. Even if you stop the manipulation then all phats would likely still be 5b+ and not get the prices they were few years ago because of high demand. This would not satisfy those who think they're too expensive and 'manipulation' is used to justify making them available on TH and cause the price to crash. That's basically the goal of this thread, a big price crash to make them more affordable.
Ahurasaid: I can also turn it the other way around. You ignore the smaller group and only focus on your view and the group who supports your view, that's also selfish.
Bring up one suggestion from this thread that actually does something to stop manipulation but doesn't hurt the smaller group who already has phats and we'll discus that. But rereleasing phats...I will never support that. The end doesn't justify the means.
And yes, this thread is for a big part on complaining about phat prices, more about them being expensive rather than the manipulation, read the OP's post.
Like how he saying this isnt about prices, yet all he talks about is "manip being unfair"...
WOATOATOATsaid: Why are you singling out partyhats, again? Every single item in RuneScape --even the Rune 2h -- has been subject to price manipulation by the one-percenters at one point or another. What makes phats so special?
WOATOATOATsaid: Yeah. How about, like, leaving the people with the silly paper hats that don't look particularly good and offer less of a defensive bonus than a bronze helm to their own devices? You'll be all the happier for it.
And if you really must get your hands on one of those silly hats, OS has a huge supply. Go crazy.
Slathersaid: Putting Phats on TH will *only* affect the prices of Phats. A Noxious Scythe will not go down in price because Phats are suddenly on TH.
This entire thread is consistently attempting to sell itself as some new revolutionary fix to the RS economy which is a blatant untruth and a tad bit sad as it comes off as desperate to sell your cause.
A Phats value isn't due to the inflation of the RS economy. It's because that's what people are willing to pay for it.
M8, they can and will only see and understand one side of the coin.
No use trying to explain it to them, you only end up hurting yourself
This thread has turned into a troll thread basically. You can hope and wish for Phats to be re-released but that will never happen seeing it would crash the market INFLATING Any other item to an outrageous price leaving the cost of playing not even worth trying. Jagex knows better than to do this because it will cost them more money and players in the long run and eventually terminate the very existence of Runescape, and we know that they can't afford to lose anymore players than they already have so I have to agree with Key Player on this one.
Konotasaid: Jokku23said: They will learn that investing BILLIONS in paper hats was not a wise decision. This is good because then they will probably not make the same mistake again IRL! Bulletproof reason /s
Kiljutonkkasaid: This game is noob friendly enough.. you are not supposed to get everything you desire served on a silver plate. This is super stupid idea. Definetly not support. I dont have hats when I say this. I really would like to have one but can not afford. This is not the way I would like to get one.
Kalea Spritesaid: Oh yes, you may breath a sigh of relief!
Don't worry my friend, sooner or later they will release the Partyhats again!
Perhaps they'll release them again with some of the awesome ideas that have been presented around the forums. Clearly, one of the best ways to release the Partyhats again is with Treasure Hunter, it's a triple win!!!
Support Partyhats on Treasure Hunter!!
Like how you say this knowing the fact they wont.
How many times do you have to be told to understand?
Spider Websaid: "1. its funny how i can voice my opinion on anyone elses thread n i will not get the same type of anger or hatred out of anyone else except for YOU . YOU classify all rare owners into one category then defend it by saying most of them are all the same with the minor exception of a few"
Have to agree here. Every rare thread if someone doesn't support it, they're called elitists.
Thatdssaid: Wow. I don't think you could get any more pretentious if you tried.
I would most certainly acknowledge problems with Party Hats if there were any, and if you told me. I haven't spent a lot of time getting worked up over it, and just the idea of giving away some of the most ridiculously, unfairly expensive items in Runescape to only a few incredibly lucky people is ludicrous to me, especially if you can pay real world money to get more chances at getting one.
Off the top of my head, I can think of a few of these alleged 'problems' that you might be referring to.
1. Elitism. It's a status symbol. Have one, and it means you've been around since the beginning, or that you're rich as hell. It's a have and have not situation, and a lot of people either flaunt this status around or get angry at people flaunting their status around.
2. Arbitrary time exclusion. I'm sorry, I didn't even know Runescape existed in 2001, but that's okay. I don't mind missing out on time-locked content that the devs don't feel like putting back into the game. (I do, actually. I mind it a lot.)
3. Unsustainable pricing. As mentioned, these things are worth a lot, and the fact that their prices continuously increase, for whatever reason, makes it a race to get enough money to buy one. If you don't make enough gold to keep pace, then you're screwed.
4. The playerbase. Not its attitude, mind you, but its size. The last time we saw a new Christmas Cracker dropped into the game was, apparently, way back in December of 2001. The playerbase, meanwhile, has continued to increase.
This is just speculation, on my part. But I do realize that there are issues with Party Hats, and I'm sure you have a few other issues filed away to bring up. But, personally, I think that they're otherwise fine as they are.
Thatdssaid: Yes, my signature is 'get lucky or grind trying'. That's because if you want to get rich, you need to get lucky or grind until you essentially make your own luck.
I don't see how Treasure Hunter works its way into that. It's a system where the game just instantly gives you usually worthless crap, and occasionally good crap, but it's still crap. There's luck, but there's no grinding - or, there is, but it's only on your bank account.
If they want to manipulate the economy, then fine. If Jagex isn't coming down on them, then they're free to do it. I don't have to like it, but that's just their deal at this point.
And I'll let you in on a secret: just because something you have is 'worth' 24 billion doesn't mean you instantly earned 24 billion. Someone has to buy the fucking thing first. The money doesn't just appear out of thin air.
If someone is out there, willing to pay 24 billion for a Party Hat, then props to them. I probably wouldn't, but who knows? I don't have 24 billion to spend.
Giftedlysaid: No, we worked very hard to afford this and it would extremely affect the prices we paid/money we earned. If you just spend the time grinding by PVM or a Money Making skill, you can afford one too. I assure you!
Feel free and I can give you skill-related money making tips.
Konotasaid: ^" You can buy xp with th so why not a phat? "
Because little to nobody likes Treasure Hunter. Because it enormously devalues max cape / 120's and 200m goals with XP, doesn't mean every other goal in Runescape should suffer too. What's next, CW tickets, T92 weapons, ...?
Sintackssaid: I'm surprised this thread is still alive considering how ludicrous and absurd this suggestion is. OP and his supporters might say it'll be more fun for everyone to re-release phats on TH, but in reality, that is the most selfish thing one could ask for in this game. People have worked their asses off to obtain one, whether in the past when they were 300m or at their current price. Locking phats behind TH is downright despicable and greedy. It will essentially kill any remaining integrity Jagex has as a game developer and a company, and for what reason? Just so some beggars with irl money can open a bunch of chests for a chance at a virtual paper hat?
In conclusion, no support, nor will I ever support such an idea. If they ever consider this, it will surely be the final nail in the coffin for many players. If you really want a phat, consider begging at the GE in W2. You'll have a better chance of getting one through that than Jagex re-releasing them through TH.
Bazesaid: As an owner of many partyhats, the addiction to accumulate more and more wealth has consumed my life. I wish nothing more than to be free from the vicious hold these hats have over me, and therefore I support this proposition!!!!!
How would this "free" you from the "hold" they have on you?
Vorosaid: Support!!! I think party hats are way too expensive, it is impossible to accumulate the wealth to get one without cheating the system, manipulating prices etc. IMO everyone who has a partyhat manipulated prices or scammed the system and some point, so I really couldn't care less about their tears. They had it coming.. And to everyone saying they got it from PvM, well I don't believe you I do twin furies for 10 hours everyday and I get good killtimes (before anyone calls me out, about 1:30, scythe t90 prayer, augmented tetsu) and I am not even close to a partyhat. So stop lying.
Thanks for doing gods work OP!
Lots of things are "expensive" yet why should that mean ppl should get them practically for "free"?
Also i like how you claim everyone w/ a phat is a scammer and whtnot so why would you want to represent yourself with said group?
treasure hunter might as well be useful for something since you cant get anything good out of it currently anyway. no ones ever won 200m from that and remember how disastrous the parcel event was? not a single person got 500m or a huge parcel out of hundreds of thousands of stamps.
Although I personally have not complained about TH promos, a lot of people complain about them because they would like to see more cosmetic promos instead of continuous xp selling. That's why they support this thread.
IMO, this would do more harm than any of the cosmetic promos have done.
Blackwingsaid: It does, actually; buying keys is a risky action, because you aren't guaranteed to get what you want (and what you want is the desired result), so if you don't get lucky, you'll have basically wasted your money. TH might give a reward of some kind for every key, but it's there for legal purposes only, and doesn't change the practice, which is risking your money for potentially no return of your desire. > )
Just because you dont get what you want, doesnt mean you dont get anything.
With th theres always a result thus it isnt gambling.
I mean the same could be said about anything in this game.
Take bosses for example, most ppl either want pet or a certain drop, so if they go 1k+ kills dry does that mean they "gambled" their time?
Whatusaytomesaid: except it is never a gamble because no matter what you win, you always win something. You may be spending to buy an outfit, and I have no problem with outfits moving to Solomons to be fully avail for purchase so nobody overspends for something others get cheaper. But TH is fully functional and should be kept because it actually makes the game better for more people than you think.
M8 just saying, but th isnt ever going anywhere.
Id say sgs has better odds at leaving before th does.
Blackwingsaid: Well it kinda is a gamble as well, since you risk spending your time for no gain of your desired drop. Thing is though, unlike bossing, TH takes no skill, is not balanced, and exploits you for your money. One could even say that there's not just one type of gambling, and that the one TH is based around is predatory, for the reasons already explained before. > )
Yet the fact of the matter is that in gambling, there has to be a result that earns you nothing.
Yet from what i can see with th, thats impossible.
Like said before, it only "works" in OSRS, because it was made very clear from the beginning that partyhats would always get rereleased. (And I said "works" in quotation marks, because even though they're technically fine as they are because it was made clear from the beginning how they'd work, ironically they're more appreciated in RS3 than OSRS, because inevitably they lack value/don't matter in OSRS as a result.)
While it would be nice to be able to give everyone what they want and have it not hurt anything, some things are simply meant to be and best to be left as they are, in order to have a meaningful game experience with integrity. In those cases, it's best to look for other things, something entirely new or similar, yet with a distinct difference. > )
Micro transactions will be illegal soon, so you read it hear first folks. The end of Runescape was set in motion via the squeal of fortune in 2012 and the end game of this apocalypse will be the release of party hats on treasure hunter the week before MTX become illegal.
TFW ppl have said this time and time again and yet TH is still here.