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Blackwing said:
I thought I had already replied here but apparently not! > )

Support, however:

1. New colors & untradeable
2. Make existing ones untradeable

Cheerio! > )

edit: also nice convincing counter-arguments on the first page, I'd hire you as a lawyer!

New colours and untradeable - no thanks we have enough.
Make existing ones untradeable - yes and so everyone who has spent billions of coins on partyhats are now forever stuck being unable to sell them.
His arguments on the first page are so biased and stupid.

24-Nov-2016 07:59:55

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Tim Hortons said:
Felt I had to post in case some Jmod actually took this idea seriously.

No support, partyhats are generally seen as a financial endgame for a lot of people, take that away and people won't have a reason to play. You'll lose a lot of players, including myself.

And before you suggest substituting something else for phats while making them crash, it would never work because players would no longer trust Jagex when they can just play with the market however they wanted and constantly release crap.

Earn money, get phats. Welcome to Runescape.

^This.
If people can make enough money to afford a partyhat, so can you.
Which brings me back to my earlier Q: How long till this thread gets locked.

25-Nov-2016 01:48:34

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"Cheers! Also, if you have some basic logic, you don't need any lawyer skills as long as you are correct. It's easy to defend your opinions when they are facts!"

If you also had some basic logic, you'd realise introducing a new partyhat would devalue any existing partyhats. Not only that, but you fail to address to many of people who bring up good points on why these expensive paperhats SHOULDN'T return to the game. You just respond to the supporters and ignore or provide a useless reply to the non supporters which makes it evident that you're not "correct" but just desperate.

"Cheers for the partial support! Cheers!"
As so you have been saying the past 30 pages.

"Beg money, beg phats. Welcome to Cheerfulscape. Cheers!"
Begging is frowned upon.

"
Yes, we can!
As for your question,
the thread will be locked when the idea has been implemented!
Cheers!"
Then do it and don't ruin it for the rest of the owners of existing partyhats.

Keep dreaming.

25-Nov-2016 22:50:11 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2016 23:06:14 by Turksta

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"then at least it would not affect the wealth or value of current hats, people would still be happy with having partyhats, people with partyhats would still remain on top, and everybody can remain happy"
One of the many reasons people want and wear partyhats is because of its high value. You only want what you can't have. If partyhats were dirt cheap like on OSRS no one would be wearing them. If untradeable phats were released they'd be cool for what a few days then no one would wear them again because it's not seen as "prestigious" as the actual hats. Furthermore it would definitely affect the prices of partyhats whether these new ones are tradeable or not (just like how the chromatic and 15th yr partyhats caused a little of "panic" selling).

25-Nov-2016 22:57:10

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People this idea will never see the light of the game, lets be realistic here and let this thread die.
If Jagex were to bring back partyhats to the game:
1. To make it fair; they'd need to reimburse all current partyhat owners by placing millions of shards into their accounts (where the number of shards depends on the street price).All in all, This is NOT happening.

2. If Partyhats were to be released, then all other rares would also need to be released to be fair. Otherwise santa hats, h'ween masks, easter eggs and eventually fish masks etc would all be over 1B wealth as they are the new "rarest" items and would become the new partyhats if they're not rereleased. NO, I'm not suggesting this idea i'm just using my brain and realising how destructive this idea is.

Clearly every supporter on this thread hasn't thought of the 2 points and are just selfish and desperate for partyhats. Which brings to the question i asked in earlier posts: How long till this thread gets locked?

27-Nov-2016 21:30:01

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Whatusaytome said:
how about this thread die, and we move to my similar topic Cosmetic Partyhat Event thread.

its similar, but my idea is,
1) no currently existing partyhats will be copied
2) no partyhats in my event will be the same colors as current partyhats
3) hopefully there would be graphical differences to be able to tell apart from normal partyhats
4)
NOTHING IS TRADABLE OR RARE

5) make it like the 15th anniversary partyhat event where people get partyhat fragments and form the hats, except this time its treasure hunter with multiple colors, exchangeable similarly to seasons items (branches, blossoms, seeds, leaves)
6) in case you missed it the first time....
NOTHING TRADABLE OR RARE ADDED!!!!!


ideas for this instead of ruining the biggest rare in the game?

If these partyhats are similar to the current partyhats in terms of design e.g look like a crown then it will impact the prices of existing partyhats. If the design is like the 15th anniversary partyhat and a cone shape then i'm fine with that.

27-Nov-2016 21:48:43

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Whatusaytome said:
If simply being the same shape would be enough to demolish the prices of the most valuable rare in game, then explain to me why the Black Santa did not demolish the Red Santa. but instead only made both more valuable over time.

Now I specifically said make them graphically different than remaining partyhats. which means there will be changes in how the item would look an a character, changes on how it looks in the inventory.

the items base design for how it looks as an inventory item can easily be very different, like how they remade the design on rings. obviously different than before and it looks like a brand new item.

You cannot say an idea will trash the most valuable rare in the game without a real justification and example.

Personally given the high price of these items, i just want the creators of the game to leave partyhats alone.
Also black santa hat has a different design to the original santa hat.

29-Nov-2016 06:28:00

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"so you are saying that a graphically different item being added to the game has actually made an in-game rare rise in value, despite still being a santa hat and looking like a santa hat only of a different color? strange, this sounds like the example outcome of what im suggesting. only my idea doesn't add rares or tradables. hmmm maybe we should make them tradable so the prices rise more like this santa hat example.

but I still think tradables is a bad idea in general because #richgetricher"

It's an assumption that santas rose/decreased in price after the addition of a black santa hat. You don't take into count the many other factors that might have been the reason of the item becoming more expensive.
And suggesting a tradeable/ untradeable partyhat makes little to no difference. Most people would still disagree just from the simple fact that they don't want any more partyhats to be added.

29-Nov-2016 23:40:34

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Draco Burnz said:
Burak said:
I'm not suggesting that they should add more.


Then what are you suggesting?
He's not suggesting anything. He's just stating the fact that although they weren't intended to be rare valuable items, they ended up becoming so.

06-Dec-2016 06:15:37 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2016 06:16:59 by Turksta

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Jokku23 said:
Cheers for your support!

Turksta said:
Blackwing said:
Jokku23 said:
Teal partyhats sound cool!

Support for giving Jokku a teal phat! > )
I used to think better of you.

Anyone who had a heart would support that! Cheers, Ash!
Anyone who had a heart would understand that rereleasing partyhats will cause the items' value to crash and make the efforts and hardwork of partyhat owners go to waste.
Honestly theoretically speaking most of your supports are probably players who don't even play the game much. If they did then they'd understand and respect the status of partyhats and leave it as it is.

Which reminds me once again, how long till this thread gets locked?

07-Dec-2016 11:27:20

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Burak said:
Starlight 2 said:
@Jokku23 Reason:

Whether it was on intention or not, party hats are a big sign of wealth and prestige for over 10 years.
Everyone who wants 1 grinds for months to get it and show it off
.
Don't you mean everyone resorts to scamming, cheating, gambling or no lifing for years (if not over a decade) to get 1?
Yes and everyone picked up the bunny ears and scythes effortlessly so they should be rereleased too then?

31-Jan-2017 19:47:02

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Kmagus said:
Idiotic Idea.

#1 If you are rich irl you can already RWT (bonds or other means) to buy a party hat
#2 If you are rich irl you can buy spins for party hats in Treasure Hunter = Same thing
#3 A old player that worked hard, started playing will have their item reduced to NOTHING
#4 A player that has spend 3-10Billion on a party hat will have their gp reduced to NOTHING

#5 Idiotic Idea. Never going to happen. Its like re-releasing the Mona Lisa painting (exact replica) and selling them off. PEOPLE WOULD BE PISSED OFF, and its POINTLESS.

Generating an item thats already DISCONTINUED for 10+ years is FAKE and POINTLESS!

If its released on TT , you won't enjoy it because you won't ever get one only the 1% of the richest rich people in life will get them by spending $100's on them. = Pointless

I rest my case.

~Kmagus~ Player since 2003
Agreed 100%. And even then if they get rereleased partyhats will lose their sparkle they had being items worth billions of gp. Now if they were to be rereleased they'd be worthless like they are in osrs.
I just still can't believe a fmod hasn't closed this thread yet as this idea will never see the light of the game.

01-Feb-2017 08:20:39 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2017 08:22:08 by Turksta

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Jokku23 said:
Turksta said:
Yes and everyone picked up the bunny ears and scythes effortlessly so they should be rereleased too then?

Good idea, but that's off topic. Please make another thread if you wish to suggest this. Cheers!
No i don't want to suggest this, i'm simply making a comparison of partyhats and the untradeable rares like previously done by other players - yet you're stubbornness doesn't allow you see any good points brought up by others.

Jokku23 said:
Turksta said:
Agreed 100%. And even then if they get rereleased partyhats will lose their sparkle they had being items worth billions of gp. Now if they were to be rereleased they'd be worthless like they are in osrs.
I just still can't believe a fmod hasn't closed this thread yet as this idea will never see the light of the game.

They will lose the sparkle of bragging and regain the sparkle of fun. Problem? Also, Fmods have posted here and didn't action. Legit thread.

They will lose the sparkle of being a valuable item that everyone wants i.e because it's rare and valuable and is an old historic item.

They have no sparkle of fun, you can't wield it and won't all of a sudden have special abilities/powers that anyone else with a partyhat can't. It's as fun as a wizard hat and there's a lot more fun items than both a wizards hat and a party hat. Quit acting like wearing these items will offer some "sparkle of fun" because it won't. Holiday items with an actual use such as whacking people or throwing snowballs at people are more fun than these paper hats.

Instead of trying to ruin the rarity and value of party hats for all current owners, why don't u suggest a new holiday item that is actually fun?

03-Feb-2017 05:17:40

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@Jokkul,
1. You failed to address any of the issues with rereleasing partyhats. Your only answer to all these problems associated with such items returning is "Yes and they will regain their fun" - completely disregarding current owners. That doesn't solve anything, it's clear your intentions are to just make partyhats become worthless and eventually something that no one will wear just like in osrs.
2.As i've said before a partyhat is as fun as wearing a wizards hat - which is not fun at all compared to the actual gameplay. Your clan thinking otherwise doesn't make your opinion a fact nor any better of an opinion.
2. Other than "I want to ruin the value of all partyhats because i can't afford one" i actually don't know why you're not suggesting a new holiday item that is actually fun.

Also, do you ever think some players response might come off as an insult or offensive - due to them being owners of partyhats and not wanting to lose billions of gp. Your thread is quite insulting to those owners of partyhats; you have no sympathy towards those people and are so 1 sided towards your argument.

04-Feb-2017 07:52:25 - Last edited on 04-Feb-2017 07:53:50 by Turksta

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^You know you've lost the argument when you can't respond back to my reply. And I haven't said anything insulting to you either.

"Well the people who love partyhats only because others don't have them would of course love them less if everyone had them. But who loves partyhats only because others don't have them? Sharing is caring! Cheers!"

That's not how the game works sadly. Nobody wants to share their wealth or achievements. Look at players with 200m xp in prayer. If i asked for 100m worth of dragon bones for 99 prayer would they give it? Nope.

05-Feb-2017 00:50:56

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Thunder Jinx said:
Begging for money just shows you as a lazy person, of course nobody sane would just give you money so you could ask them for money again a week later when you spent it all.
Exactly, which is why OP should earn the 10b and buy himself the partyhats he wants instead of asking for it to get handed to him. *laughs*
Also please don't accuse me of begging for money. The scenario i've made is just a supportive example of an argument i've made against OP on the players of runescape. I've never begged a single gp ingame and even when given money via gifts etc ingame or irl I don't spend it all at once.

Thunder Jinx said:
Also prayer doesn't have to be expensive, that again shows laziness on your part that you demand to train it the expensive way.
Yes, and Runescape doesn't have to be a p2p game because i should just kill frosts for months/years and just earn the coins to buy enough bonds for everything p2p. There's something called being efficient - training the skill the expensive way = time saved = more time to make money in-game or irl. Please excuse me for not wanting to train a skill the slowest, boringest and most "unlazy" way.

06-Feb-2017 04:08:59

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Thunder Jinx said:

If you find the game so boring, why do you even bother playing it?
I quite enjoyed getting 120 prayer and I spent less money from 99 to 120 than I did getting 99 in the first place.

Please direct me to the part i said i find the game so boring. The only thing i'm saying is players of this game work towards being efficient in terms of getting xp: not finding the cheapest way to get to 99 - otherwise i'd be burying the bones in the wildy from lvl 1-99. And we're getting off topic here but good for you, i'm happy for you that you enjoyed your journey on getting 120 prayer. Now can we just get back on topic?

OP says he wants partyhats to be available for everyone so everyone can have fun and live happily forever after. I explained how his mere imagination is non existent due to the mindset of the community. The way it works is everyone is greedy and likes to keep every achievement to themself. If everyone has partyhats i.e if partyhats aren't worth anything then nobody will be wearing them and they'll be abandoned after 2 weeks tbh - which in the end does not achieve OP's goal of everyone wanting to have "fun"wearing a paper hat.

06-Feb-2017 10:32:05

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Jokku23 said:
200m prayer is not the same thing. Initially no one was expected to get even 99; all the prayers had requirements lower than 50. If someone wanted to grind for 200m prayer to show their "achievement", that was their choice.
However, partyhats were a fun holiday item that people can enjoy. Not an "achievement" you should brag about.


If you want to make a suggestion to give everyone 100m worth of dragon bones, please create another thread.
Now back to topic, yes? Cheers!
Whats there saying holiday items can be something you can have fun about but not "brag" about?
Take away partyhats and look at other holiday items: players wearing their bunny ears, santa suits, and the veteran capes e.g. Just cause they're all items made for players to have fun does not mean you can't brag about it or that it's not an achievement. Because to be honest playing the game for a long time is an achievement in itself and when players can brag about the rare items they got, the xp they have, the skill pets they've earned: why shouldn't players flaunt their account creation status as well?
If anything people wear it more so they can brag about how long they've been playing rather than the item being fun. So i don't see that changing anytime soon and i don't see partyhats getting rereleased either just cause not everyone has them. Look at Jagex they're releasing 15 yr veteran capes. Is it a fun item? Yes. Will everyone have access to it day 1? No. Should everyone have access to it just cause it's a "fun" item? No. If they want it they have to earn it if it means waiting out 15 years. Same could be said about partyhats - The later you started the game, the harder the item is to obtain for you.
Once again you failed to realise why i mentioned prayer and bones but w/e.

07-Feb-2017 01:58:19

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Jokku23 said:
Draco Burnz said:
Case in point, 07.

You wonder why no one wears one on there, this is the reason.

Have you even played Old School? Much more people are wearing partyhats there than in RS3.

If you wonder why no one wears them there, you are wondering about something that is not true, this is the reason.
False. The only players who wear partyhats on oldschool are those who are fond of nostalgia - yes, everyone has worn them at some point. But after a little while any experienced osrs player takes them off and dumps it into their bank which has hundreds if not thousands of the existing partyhat set never to be worn again. This is because players in the live game are only wearing partyhats because it's expensive and rare. Compare it to osrs community where partyhats are nothing special: Many players would rather wear armour and other equipment that's harder and rarer to obtain e.g third age, divine shields, dragon armour. The only people you see in partyhats are the casual players who play maybe once every 2-3 months.

You're wrong if you take into consideration the number of partyhats in both games.
Number of RS3 partyhats worn/ Number of Partyhats in RS3 > Number of OSRS partyhats worn/ Number of Partyhats in OSRS.

07-Feb-2017 01:58:57

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Odis12 said:
I support the idea with restrictions.
New colors, and extreme rarity
.
Such as the rarity of getting the 200m reward
, but scaled up to match half the price of the cheapest PH. Said new colors should be multi colored, or patterned.
The point of OP's thread is to:

- Rerelease the exact same paper hats so the prices go from 3-10b > a couple of gp (worthless)
- Rerelease party hats at a common rate so "everyone can enjoy partyhats."

Also:
1. Half of the cheapest partyhat is still a solid 1.8b or so - not an amount everyone has.
2. Rereleasing new colours/ multipatterned hats would affect or "devalue" current partyhat prices.
3. @your idea, what's the point of making them extremely rare in the purple slot? This wouldn't change anything: the "New" partyhats would still be expensive given their rarity - which destroys the whole reason why OP wants partyhats to return.


Draco Burnz said:
Jokku23 said:
Have you even played Old School? Much more people are wearing partyhats there than in RS3.


It seems like you're the one that hasnt played if you think this is the case.

^Agreed.

07-Feb-2017 10:37:10 - Last edited on 07-Feb-2017 10:38:02 by Turksta

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Jokku23 said:
If you seriously think no one wears them, it's useless to respond to you anymore.
Nope i never said that, just that most players (which are those who are dedicated to the OSRS game and not just casual players) wear it when the first get it for a little while and then they dump it into their banks because they realise that the item they've always wanted (only because of its price tag) is useless and there are more useful items in-game.


"You can brag all you want, but we should not prevent other people from having fun just because some people want to brag with something that was meant for fun, not bragging."

You can have the fun all you want (with other "fun" items such as a wizards hat), but we shouldn't allow the prices of partyhats and the history behind it to drop to a value of near zero just because some people feel entitled to and want to own a partyhat without actually earning it :P
Begging is frowned upon and shouldn't be encouraged. Ruins the game experience for many players out there.

08-Feb-2017 04:39:15 - Last edited on 08-Feb-2017 04:47:33 by Turksta

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Jokku23 said:
Turksta said:
Nope i never said that

Good! Cheers!

Turksta said:
You can have the fun all you want (with other "fun" items such as a wizards hat), but we shouldn't allow the prices of partyhats and the history behind it to drop to a value of near zero just because some people feel entitled to and want to own a partyhat without actually earning it :P

Bwoah, I can see your point.

I'm like brag all your want, but don't ruin having fun. You're like have fun all your want, but don't ruin bragging.

How do we solve this dilemma? Remember what partyhats are for. Partyhats are not for bragging, they are for fun! Cheers!
The dillema is already resolved and has been for over a decade : Jagex created new holiday items on a yearly basis that provide a much much more fun experiences and they're untradeable too so players don't make bills off it. ;)
If you want a partyhat you have to earn it. It's not jagexs fault these paper hats are worth what they are now.
You asking for partyhats to return is no different than asking for santa hats, bandos chestplates or a max stack of ashes because why not theyre originally made for fun right?

09-Feb-2017 04:13:06

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Jokku23 said:
Ladyolake said:
Jagex can think of a new something to bring out to show prestige if that is what players want.

Exactly! Partyhats are for fun, not for prestige!

Ladyolake said:
Who will reimburse all the billions people have spent on the phats they own?

Don't worry! The current partyhats would not be removed! They can keep their hats!
They can keep their hats but their values will be gone. And u still failed to provide a solution to this despite 53 pages of people trying to tell u this.

09-Feb-2017 04:19:26

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Dong U Dead said:
Absinthe B said:
This thread should just be deleted. Basically you rather have the party hat now, then actually be patient, to earn money for it. Having a phat shows you have wealth and patients to get the money to own one. Putting rares would destroy the game as a whole. The in game economy, an item that is well known to the runescape community would destroy the very backbone of the game.

No, I totally disagree...
Disagree bcos of Ur selfish desires of having a partyhat. Not because hes wrong, because hes actually right. Rereleasing the most expensive items will cause destruction to the economy whether you want to admit it or not.

09-Feb-2017 04:21:47 - Last edited on 09-Feb-2017 04:23:12 by Turksta

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Draco Burnz said:
Jokku23 said:
If you seriously think no one wears them, it's useless to respond to you anymore.


Id like you to show me even one person who still wears them who isnt a high-end former dicer, gambler or any of your alts.

Till then, i stand by my point.
I think hes referring to 07 where its worthless there. And even there no one wears it

09-Feb-2017 04:23:59

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Cbf quoting the original way.
"If they bought it for fun, they don't care about the value. If they bought it for bragging or investment, I have already covered that"

Except the part many of them have worked and worked for years to make the money for one therefore they DO care. If you bought an expensive car irl only to find out its now $100 a day after you bought it you'd be angry too, don't deny it. The ability of driving it, or in this case "having fun" is invalid because having taken your life earnings away from you would remove any "fun" and satisfaction, the item provided. Which is why i brought up that
They would need to REIMBURSE all current partyhat owners IF the exact same partyhat items return.
Otherwise many players will quit having lost billions of gp to nothing.


"They will learn that investing BILLIONS in paper hats was not a wise decision.
This is good because then they will probably not make the same mistake again IRL!"

Wrong
. There's no "lesson" to be learnt out of this. No one had any control or anticipated/ knew/ was aware that their partyhats which has been discontinued for over a decade and a half would suddenly return, it's all fate. Using your logic lets not buy ANY items ingame because then we're not smart in case an unpredictable price drop occurs.
As in spend 1000s of dollars on a paper hat? Nah i don't think they're that dumb. What other lesson can be learnt irl tho? To never spend money on non food items?


"My clan would say different. I just logged in and guess what the first sight was?"
Having screenshotted a picture of a player wearing a partyhat in no way makes your opinion a fact. Looking at the pic the player is also combat lvl 22, clearly a casual. So my point still stands. Btw, I can go to a spot with many players who aren't wearing partyhats too u know.

10-Feb-2017 02:20:05

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Jokku23 said:
Dong U Dead said:
Support - Can't recall seeing this thread before :O

Cheers for your support, Lady! I'm happy we have nice and smart people like you on the forums (really missed you when you were away!) :)
I'm nice and smart too you know. Sorry if having a different opinion/ idea makes you think otherwise.

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10-Feb-2017 13:14:28

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^Still no support due to the little sympathy op and the supporters have towards current partyhat owners as well as a lack of a compensation/solution for everyone. All supporters in this thread (just like op) dreams to be able to afford a partyhat so obv they will support this devastating idea. The history and price of partyhats are simply way out of reach to be messed with.

Lets be realistic if new partyhats were to enter the game again, they'd be cool and "fun" for a week before everyone realises the hats they've always cherished is not all that cool, eventually dumping them into their banks never to be seen again. Current owners of the hat will realise that their hard work/goal has gone to waste and will simply quit.

I just can't believe this thread is still alive and that the fmods haven't locked it. I said it before and i'll say it again: this idea will never be implemented into the game and so i'll simply stop wasting my time on this thread.

27-Feb-2017 02:25:19

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Kalea Sprite said:
Turksta said:
^Still no support due to the little sympathy op and the supporters have towards current partyhat owners as well as a lack of a compensation/solution for everyone. All supporters in this thread (just like op) dreams to be able to afford a partyhat so obv they will support this devastating idea. The history and price of partyhats are simply way out of reach to be messed with.

The crocodile tears of multi-billionaires is very comical, no offence, but I've seen them at the G.E. bragging about how easy it is to flip or merch, or whatever, as they hoard dozens or hundreds of sets of partyhat stacks etc etc.
So what you're implying is that every partyhat owner is a billionaire with phat sets, making millions of coins effort-free? I will admit some partyhat owners are jerks - i.e they sit in ge and beg for money and p*ss players off. But these are just the 1 bad apple from the basket. Not every partyhat owner is an evil, spoiled person u know.

28-Feb-2017 02:38:08

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Cupboard said:
Discontinued - to break the continuity of : cease to operate, administer, use, produce, or take.

If partyhats debuted on treasure hunter they would lose this status. Being the most valued and sought after rare, you'd completely obliterate the rare market and send the economy into a chaotic state. As a partyhat owner, I'd guarantee you, I'd quit. I'm sure other partyhat owners would do the same. We've spent time and effort obtaining them. I got my red this year (2017) so you can't say it isn't obtainable. If you can't put in the time/effort to get one in game, save money and sell bonds. Pvm can provide plenty of gold and honestly I'd say it's easier to earn a partyhat these days than it was a few years ago.
Agreed.

28-Feb-2017 02:39:38

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DramaticHobo said:

If partyhats are allowed to continue in their current trend, without any intervention from Jagex, this will only be MORE damaging to the economy in the long term. Wealth will become more concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people, until a point where they will hold disproportionate economic power over everyone and everything else. The same people have been manipulating the market for several years, and will continue to do so unopposed if nothing is done on Jagex's part.
Agreed.

11-Mar-2017 15:59:52

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H 5 said:
I'll support if the TH party hats were different colours. other than that good thread, GL
This threads specifically made due to CURRENT partyhats being near impossible to obtain by normal means. But thanks for ur partial support, cheers!

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MrAw3som3 said:
Definitely not. I have worked quite hard for the past couple many years for what I have and if they were suddenly easy to get I'd be nearly broke.
Many people have gone broke from their weapons crashing e.g seis wands. I also worked hard to get like 70 construction but with xp getting easier to obtain my construction level means not as much it once used to.
MrAw3som3 said:
because it doesn't throw the balance of the game
It kinda does - and that's why i support a rerelease. Many rich phat owners can simply manipulate the prices into being what ever they want and it's simply not fair that they can make half a bill effortless (which can provide ingame advantages e.g skills, being able to scam others more easily, power etc) in a day compared to the average moneymaker.

If you've visited reddit recently you'd see that this is the issue most people are complaining (or at least the complainers are) about.

Would you say support the idea if say:
- Partyhats could be traded on GE like they once were able to (via platinum coins etc). Result: to minimise price manipulation and scamming and deceptive behaviours.

13-Mar-2017 17:53:35

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MrAw3som3 said:

As far as the "platinum coin" idea - This is actually something I can get behind and I do believe it would help somewhat. Again though, like you have all pointed out many of the phats are owned by a select group of people and they could still manip the prices.
Except not as much. Because the way it is now is if you're not on at a certain time Ur only option is to overpay usually some hoarder an extra couple hundred mills.
Either way I'm glad we can both agree on this being a good idea. I doubt Jagex will do anything tho.

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14-Mar-2017 23:40:00

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Fluffy729 said:

I think i support this but i would need yo know what do you think about dyes being so rare and your thoughts on there being a cosmetic item that's worth a ton of money like the party hat
Dyes/3rd age/ treasure trail items can stay rare all they want - as they're intended and entered the game to be rare :)
Partyhats on the other hand not so much (or at all) intended to be rare.

18-Mar-2017 02:06:57

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MightyMior said:
Party hats are a status item, allways has been for as long as i can remember, why would that change or a better question why would you want to change it?

(party hats are obtainable) but it takes alot of hard work.

Trust me most people wear them because of the items status nothing more, and if you take the status away from the item they would not wear them, even most of you guys in here would not even wear them after the status is gone.

I had a Purple back in the day that i worked so hard to get, then the packers won the superbowl and i sold Everything i had and upgraded it to a green and took Pictures with my friends in the game and then we traded it around and took turns using the photobooth for the forum Pictures. then one of my friends i had known very well in the game for over 10 years took hes turn with my partyhat and logged off, never seen him since.

So to him my partyhat was worth more to him then our 10+ year friendship =/
Sad to say but i would give him my bank i have today to get him back in my Life thats how much he was worth to me..
Phats are near impossible to get without RWt. Admit it or pretend to think otherwise.
You would pay your bank to get a "friend" like him back in ur life? Again why? He's a thief.
Also back a few years ago partyhats were at 1-2b ok yes. But now flippers can simply scam/deceive new buyers into overpaying and if successful they just rebuy at a cheaper price. That's what changed my mind and is why i think existing partyhats should return - no matter how unlikely it is to some people.
Is it fair to you that these merchers can make 1 yrs membership money off just flipping a paper hat whereas ordinary players have to pay money, would it not be better if these phat owners also had to pay Jagex their bills with THEIR OWN money - rather than stolen money.

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"i made around 1 bill from leveling invention to level 99 in gwd1"
Good for u, but thats u vs everyone else. If it took 1 week to get 1b phats for everyone everything except rares will be cheap.
"so spending 1-2 months = your first phat guaranteed. so dont say its not possible, this is a game.. anything you want you can achieve with a Little determination."
If only that were true. People work ingame for decade and still can't get it and with todays price they most likely never will.
"They should by no means be of access from any other Place then hard work and dedication.
(if you say yeah well duel arena is not hard work bla bla bla)
(then remember you need the cash to duel in the first Place)
(Aka hard work)."
Why? These items weren't originally intended to be something you need to work for and nor is it a treasure trail item. Also let me remind you the real world issues related with phats, Many ppl cant afford phats so they rwt and stake it away in duel arena in hopes of eventually being able to own a partyhat. Well they most likely lose it and develop a gambling addiction.

"And they will never be on treasure hunter for the simple fact that it is one of the most iconic items in the game."
The most iconic items would be rune armour, silverlight sword etc. Even so that has nothing to do with the reason i want it back.

The main point ur missing is the rich hoarders can deceive new buyers easily and oversell for 300m - which they then ebuy for cheaper. How is this not scamming? Also they pretty much got free 1 yrs of membership wif that phat scam.

22-Mar-2017 10:49:00

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Shunyung said:
Just as Mightymior has said, party hats aren't impossible to obtain. If you want a partyhat, work for it and earn it as others have did before you. To earn the money for a partyhat will become a journey of itself. Even if it takes you a year or more to obtain, your hard work will become a sense of accomplishment, and you will feel good knowing that you've worked so hard to obtain the most iconic item in the game.

If these items were to appear on treasure hunter which is frowned upon by many in the first place, nobody would want to wear them and they would lose their main appeal as to why players are attracted to them in the first place,
'they're discontinued.'
Partyhats give players something to work towards after they've maxed out, and that's why they're seen as end-game goals for a lot of people. I believe there are many factors that are contributing to the rise of these items. Just to name a couple: Inflation and most importantly, increasing demand. The price of an item is determined by what someone is willing to pay for it, it's that simple.
Work for it as in irl and the rwt for it? Ok. When i worked for my red partyhat ages ago honestly it made me realise how pointless it was - I never felt a sense of accomplishment as actaul game content would e.g killing jad or quests
Again u cant say nobody would wear them, you don't know that.

OSRS has players wearing it all the time. It's only frowned upon by partyhat owners thats all. Because deep inside they know that the only reason they don't agree with this is because they know themselves if they didn't have the partyhat they would support this idea.

22-Mar-2017 10:53:21

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Kalea Sprite said:

The supply of partyhats is decreasing. Perhaps removed from the game via banned accounts and whatnot. The supply also decreases when they begin to gather dust in a hoarders stacks. As the supply decreases the problem is that the fun also decreases.

To increase the fun, simply increase the supply, as the OP describes! :D

As the supply increases, market competition also increases because more sellers will emerge and market competition is healthy for a game, and it's fun too because more people can party in the partyhat market!

MightyMior said:
Sad to say but i would give him my bank i have today to get him back in my Life thats how much he was worth to me..
Increasing the supply will also help bring back lost friends because as the supply increases everyone will be able to share the fun of the partyhats and party like it's 2001 again!

So, this thread is worth supporting because market competition is fun and, it will help bring back lost friends and, Jagex w
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Agreed.

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"And work hard, save your gp if you really want a partyhat lazy fools."
Yes, because:
- Playing the game all the day not going outside doing any physical activity makes you not "lazy"
and
- That everyone who owns a partyhat worked for it and didn't RWT for it, or gamble/stake/scam for it.

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Micaiah said:
Turksta said:
"And work hard, save your gp if you really want a partyhat lazy fools."
Yes, because:
- Playing the game all the day not going outside doing any physical activity makes you not "lazy"
and
- That everyone who owns a partyhat worked for it and didn't RWT for it, or gamble/stake/scam for it.


Aw, are you salty about being an April fool? Lighten up and be happy! Where's the spirit of fun and cheers that I hear so famously from you guys? Cheers!!!!!!

P.S. Plenty of people got partyhats without playing the game all day or doing RWT. And they amazingly managed to do said physical activities as well! Cheers!!!!!
Psh why would i be salty?

02-Apr-2017 10:26:53

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Micaiah said:
Turksta said:
Micaiah said:
Turksta said:
"And work hard, save your gp if you really want a partyhat lazy fools."
Yes, because:
- Playing the game all the day not going outside doing any physical activity makes you not "lazy"
and
- That everyone who owns a partyhat worked for it and didn't RWT for it, or gamble/stake/scam for it.


Aw, are you salty about being an April fool? Lighten up and be happy! Where's the spirit of fun and cheers that I hear so famously from you guys? Cheers!!!!!!

P.S. Plenty of people got partyhats without playing the game all day or doing RWT. And they amazingly managed to do said physical activities as well! Cheers!!!!!
Psh why would i be salty?


Because you sound bitter and need some cheer? Cheers!!!!! :D
How do i sound bitter? I'm just proving you wrong.
PS: I just saw your spoiler:
"P.S. Plenty of people got partyhats without playing the game all day or doing RWT. And they amazingly managed to do said physical activities as well!"

And i'd like to respond by saying that those "plenty" of people were only those who played the game almost 2 decades ago. In todays standards there's no way of obtaining a partyhat without playing the game all day for years of RWTing. So goodgame.

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Kalea Sprite said:
Micaiah said:
Kalea Sprite said:


In other words, you imagined things like I thought it was illegitimate and I needed your cool story about afkness and laziness and now need to cover your tracks with my spoiler that never had anything to do with afkness or legitmacy of laziness. I'll indulge since it's great to have an imaginative mind! Cheers!!!!!

Well you are free to imagine anything you wish, it's clear however that working any harder than snapping a cracker is probably just way too much work all things considered ^_^

Also, by increasing the supply of partyhats the fun will also increase because everyone will be able to share the fun of the partyhats!!

Cheers!!!! ^_^
I agree and disagree (just like with op) - wearing a paperhat is not really "fun" in my book. It's as much "fun" as wearing a wizards hat..

02-Apr-2017 11:46:32

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Micaiah said:
Turksta said:

And i'd like to respond by saying that those "plenty" of people were only those who played the game almost 2 decades ago. In todays standards there's no way of obtaining a partyhat without playing the game all day for years of RWTing. So goodgame.


Yes good game! And I'd like to respond by saying just because you can't get a partyhat and think you have to RWT to get one does not mean it applies to everyone else today! Cheers!!!! :)
Except the part that i do have a partyhat but w/e thats irrelevant and doesn't make my opinion any more better of an opinion. And yea it doesnt take a genius to figure out that that nowadays to get a partyhat you either must rwt/buy bonds for the quickest and most effective way or no life moneymske in the game for years and years on end.
Sure it doesnt apply to everyone here - those who do nothing but play the game in their daily life can continue doing so for years and years to get a partyhat.

03-Apr-2017 10:03:50

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Micaiah said:
Turksta said:
]Except the part that i do have a partyhat but w/e thats irrelevant and doesn't make my opinion any more better of an opinion. And yea it doesnt take a genius to figure out that that nowadays to get a partyhat you either must rwt/buy bonds for the quickest and most effective way or no life moneymske in the game for years and years on end.
Sure it doesnt apply to everyone here - those who do nothing but play the game in their daily life can continue doing so for years and years to get a partyhat.


Yes and I got a partyhat and that's irrelevant too! It sure doesn't take a genius to figure out that a partyhat can be done without rwt or buying bonds or doing nothing but play the game in daily life either! Cheers!!!! :)
I feel like u dont even read the things i have said. I never said its impossible, just that rwting or buying bonds is the most effective way.
Take care,
Turksta.

05-Apr-2017 11:49:08

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Eldar Mage said:
Let's be honest, this is just an off-the-cuff suggestion that will never be implemented.

If party hats were made available again, this would reduce their price to close to that of chef's hat's currently are.

So... Go buy a chef's hat :)
Yeaaa ur making it out to be as if thats a problem with OP's idea. To make phats more available and cheap to everyone is the whole idea behind this thread.

05-Apr-2017 11:52:46

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Mindy Anne said:
I don't want a stupid party hat. Just give me the billions they are worth. Even if they did add these to TH they'd be untradeable.
uhmm ok. You realise ingame currency will have 0 value if everyone was just given billions of coins. Also why are u jumping into conclusions?? Whos to say what can or can't be tradeable.

05-Apr-2017 11:56:06

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Jerrbear said:
The only people that support this are people that don't have partyhats. This would destroy the economy and ruin many peoples profiles. Partyhats are among the rarest items in the game, keep it that way. If Jagex does this then Runescape is ruined for good.
Wrong..
Quit making statements you can't back up.

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"I'm so sick of people saying that partyhats are impossible to earn. NO they are not impossible, yes they are hard but that's what makes them worth it"

"Technically, it is impossible to earn because there are not enough partyhats to go around. Also, the supply is decreasing as many are removed from the game via hoarders and banned accounts etc"

"You obviously don't know what impossible means and for that you have no credibility anymore. "

"It's understandable that you wish to disagree, however, it is your statement that lacks credibility as you seem to misunderstand the idea that it is "technically" impossible for most people to obtain a partyhat because there simply are not enough partyhats to go around and the problem is exacerbated by the supply of these items decreasing as they are removed from the game via hoarders and banned accounts etc., etc.

So, "technically" these items are "impossible" for a great number of casual players because there are not enough of them to go around and, the supply is decreasing."

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100% agreed It's impossible for everyone to get a partyhat. Additionally, the only people selling partyhats are those same rich sellers and the buyers r flippers or the uncommon new rich guy who just made enough to afford it via either RWT or no lifing the game for a year, if you don't believe me go look at the ID forum.
Also this: "The worth of the partyhats is not gold pieces, it's not money, it's not ego stroking wealth status prestige, the real worth of the partyhats is fun"

08-Apr-2017 06:56:51

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^ Agreed.
To further add on, the only people who don't support this idea are:

a) Partyhat owners - ofc they wouldn't want their banks to crash, but like if they can cough out 4-10b for a partyhat then surely they can do it again and regain their bank. If these people are truly rich enough to be able to keep their wealth in partyhats then they must have no trouble making money tbh.

b) minority of non partyhat owners - These people are the people who don't want anything to return including holiday items, untradeables, useless items,mtx content including TH/SGS, anything that literally is discontinued or unobtainable. These people take the game far too serious imo and believe these pixel items hold a value far worth than they actually are - which again has many connections with unhealthy habits ingame and in the community: e.g these people scam for pixels, belittle others just because they are less experienced or sell alts with untradeables in the black market.

For players that fit in any of the above: I just hope you're not much of a grinch in real life.

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Cupboard said:
Say what you want Turksta, you're statement is simply untrue. People just don't want to argue with the three of you because it's like talking to a brick wall. At the end of the day, partyhats will never be released via Treasure hunter regardless what you three say, no matter how much you try to twist truths, words, and reason. I'm thankful for that. Non supporters have won, and time will prove that. In a year from now, I'll still have my phat, and you all will still be trying to get one for little to no work. Have fun with that.

- Idk what statement of mine is untrue, it'd be nice if you could further specify which one.
- People do argue with me but yea why is it like "talking to a brick"? Only thing i could conclude is that some just give up arguing because they figure i provide the stronger argument.
- You don't know what the future holds.
- "Jagex will never rerelease partyhats" Not tryna attack Jagex here but the 'never' principle could also apply to the return of free trade/wildy, return of a few holiday items, return of mtx items - and this just makes Jagex out to be unpredictable. You don't know what the future holds
- Again with the elitist attitude "I have a phat you don't too bad". What if i told you i also have a partyhat, Would that shock you?

09-Apr-2017 04:01:04

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Cupboard said:
- To further specify, I meant your statement "They can't, they're all just talk with no proper reasoning." This is simply untrue. Plenty of people have offered examples, you guys just refuse the answer. I personally don't feel obligated to sit here and teach you basic economics.

- Just because someone gives up an argument before you does not mean you have a stronger argument. It means you have the harder head.

- I'll give you this one, Jagex has been unpredictable in the past w/ free trade, wildy, etc.

- I'm not being elitist. Once again you twist my words. Let me rephrase it for you.
By working hard and remaining dedicated I was able to obtain a partyhat. To be clear, I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else, I'm saying that I actually put in the work. It didn't take a thread or treasure hunter to get me where I am.

To be honest tho, predicting how partyhats will affect the economy is useless, bcos nobody can be certain - they can jump into conclusions or hypothesize this will happen but unless it actually happens theres no way of really knowing. So ppl shouldn't outrighy say it will destroy the economy because tbh for the reasons some people have provided theyve proven its actually "better" for the economy.
Stronger arguments : ok u can think that w/e i still think the reason people stop replying is because they know i provide a better argument.
So have i i've also worked hard but sooner or later the prices just reach a ridiculous amount and those rich hoarders or pretty much the creators of the partyhat prices get unfair advantages and its simply not fair tbh. You mightve gotten ur partyhat when it was 1-3b but eventually if all partyhats are above 15b can u realistically expect a player to not rwt or spend real life money to obtain it? Again this links with the bad habits e.g rwt.

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Micaiah said:

Actually you did and perhaps forgot. I just bolden it for you. Cheers!!! :)


Turksta said:

And i'd like to respond by saying that those "plenty" of people were only those who played the game almost 2 decades ago. In todays standards there's no way of obtaining a partyhat
without playing the game all day for years of RWTing.
So goodgame.

It's the truth, there is simply no way of getting a partyhat by legitimate means unless you no life the game.
Turksta said:
I feel like u dont even read the things i have said. I never said its impossible, just that rwting or buying bonds is the most effective way.
Take care,
Turksta.

Again, "I feel like u dont even read the things i have said".

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"True or not (not true since I didn't no life the game yet
earned
enough
money for a partyhat recently and even did an upgrade)"
How? What did you do? Please share. I'm sure if it was as easy as you make it out to be they'd be way higher than they currently are.

I changed my stance with the thread simply because partyhat owners have an unfair advantage in terms of gameplay. They can manipulate partyhat prices and scam newer buyers into overpaying etc - all of this which wouldn't be a problem if they made them tradeable on ge again so partyhat prices can be better represented and less manipulation etc goes on.

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Micaiah said:

Maybe I'll share if you admit that you flip flopped on the possible/impossible subject he he. :P Cheers!!! :D
Regardless of whether a few individuals can make partyhat money without rwt/gambling - either from extreme clue scroll luck or lucky pvm drops etc, it's still a near-impossible task to obtain a partyhat for the majority of players.

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Micrometre said:

2. Buy bonds, lets face it,they don't really cost THAAAAT much in cash.
Legit? You'd have to pay thousands and thousands of dollars worth of bonds for a party hat. That seems quite a heavy chunk of money to be spent on a pixelated hat don't u think?

18-Apr-2017 03:19:00

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Sintacks said:
There's always the guaranteed method of spending around $1,600~ to get a phat as opposed to hoping Jagex listens to this thread. Tbh, I'm surprised that this thread lasted this long without being locked. O_o
Lets do the math here:
1 bond = 11.8m.
10 bonds = $59.99 USD at it's cheapest.
Therefore, 118m = $59.99 USD
ID discontinued thread;
Using the min prices ofc
Purple: 4150-4300m, 4150/118 x $59.99 = $2109

Yellow: 4350-4550m, 4350/118 x $59.99 = $2211

Green: 4800-5000m 4800/118 x $59.99 = $2440

Red: 6000-6200m 6000/118 x $59.99 = $3050

White: 8400-8900m 8400/118 x $59.99 = $4270

Blue: 12300-12750m 12300/118 x $59.99 = $6253.

For Australians (replace 59.99 with 69.99), Purple would be $2461, Yellow would be $2580, Green would be $2847, Red would be $3558, White would be $4982 and blue would be $7295.

06-May-2017 04:30:13

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Zooerastia said:
Think how unfair it would be on those who have spent years making GP to buy one for it to Drop instantly.


Completely don't support.
Yes and that is the case for many items. e.g spirit shields, godswords, dragon claws, mimic capes. The list goes on. Jagex does nothing to compensate those who lost bank.

13-May-2017 15:21:47

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Draco Burnz said:
Zooerastia said:
Was looking for the lending thread for party hats when i stumbled across this.....

I've played Runescape for 13 years and only this year been able to afford a party hat after choosing to buy a AGS instead of a purple party hat when they were the same price.

It's a ridiculous concept to re release partyhats; it's something I've wanted for probably the last 10 years and finally got lucky and managed to get one. Think how unfair it would be on those who have spent years making GP to buy one for it to Drop instantly.


Completely don't support.


Exactly.

Want easy to get phats, give 07 a visit.
Obtaining an item in 07 does not give you the item in rs3 sadly.

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"It's an item. You worked hard for it, well done. But your reason for not support....actually, most people here with their reasons....most selfish whiners ever."

"'ll be honest, I've wanted a picture with a white party hat for as long as I can remember, cause I thought they looked nice...But I certainly don't want to give others the impression that I'm like you or perhaps Draco. If having one means I'm part of the same crowd........Na. Keep it. "

Could not have said it better.

15-May-2017 14:55:01

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CrookedH said:
no noobs allowed to get party hats no support

z e z i m a said:
keep it rare jagex. those people are noob

Except the part partyhats can originally be obtained by any and everyone who has played back then. I know many partyhat owners who are noobs at rs.

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Sintacks said:
Turksta said:
Sintacks said:
How this thread lasted 88 pages without being locked as a spam thread is beyond me.
It's a legitimate thread, that's why.


Do you honestly think Jagex would ever implement this in RS3? I don't, tbh. That's why there's OSRS if people want cheap phats.
People thought that the wildy and free trade would never return. Look at it now. At one point Jagex claimed that people's real life status shouldn't affect their ingame experience, look at it now. Anythings possible.

Esp for partyhats, it's actually coming to a point that it SHOULD return. I mean the higher the prices go the more likely one is to rwt unofficially for one as it's becoming out of reach for the majority of players.

Oh and telling players to play osrs isn't a solution, it already has more players than rs3 so lets refrain from using response.

16-Jun-2017 13:57:06

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NeuralNet said:

Exactly!!! Let us be honest here, people will empty their bank accounts and zero out their 401(k) for the chance to win the amazing party hat! It's the most glorious and valuable item in all of RuneScape! I want this game to survive and survive and survive, this is the way to do it. JaGeX will make SO MUCH MONEY it won't even be funny. I don't see how anyone can not support this.
Agreed. This will be the best treasure hunter promotion and make Jagex bank.

Draco Burnz said:
Turksta said:
Esp for partyhats, it's actually coming to a point that it SHOULD return.


No?...

Theres never a time that old holiday items should ever return. Let alone in mtx format:@
Although partyhats are holiday items they are also in another different criteria of being something no other item is. I don't know if you check up the prices of partyhats but at least each partyhat colour has went up over 1 Bill in the past month! That's like enough to buy like 4 years worth of membership from bonds. My yellow partyhat was like 3b last year and now it's 6b. But hey sure, Keep thinking that partyhats don't need to return, when in reality these items deserve to return the most, more than any other item. It's not long from here till every partyhat is over 10B due to the rich partyhat hoarders creating their own price.

17-Jun-2017 12:06:10

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"I haven't wasted years for some whiny little child to cry his way to what I've earned for free."

"Earned for free"

"Elitism is nothing to be ashamed of when you've toiled and earned the right to have something prestigious"

"Earned the right" and "Earned for free" right.. Nice contradiction there.

Anyways, lets face it the only reason the few players don't support this is cause they don't want their partyhat prices to crash, but hey if you've made all the money up towards a partyhat then making that money back shouldn't be difficult huh? Because we can all agree that 6-16B is a ridiculous pricetag for a paperhat.

17-Jun-2017 21:08:43

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Micrometre said:

This has to be one of the most selective and patronising threads I've ever come across. The creator of the thread disregards all other points people have made and selects only the points they can argue whilst being patronising with the points they cannot argue.

No point trying to have a discussion with children people! Plus that Kalea girl who seems to reply a lot is so patronising with her responses I can't help but cringe.

Good luck with your goal.
And then there are my posts that no one seems to respond back to. Gg?

18-Jun-2017 15:03:39

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Micrometre said:
Like I said, no point trying to have a discussion with children. Plus at the end of the day we all know your agenda. Nobody campaigns so hard for 6 'paperhats' to be placed in treasure hunter so that they can be used 'for fun'.

Put in the hard work and earn one. Fee free to quote parts of my message and add your cringey jargon but word of advice, your efforts would be best placed in game grinding for a few years so that you are able to purchase one of these lovely items yourself.

Christ.
At the end of the day we all know that many partyhat owners (myself excluded) are biased and aren't willing to support this idea simply because they don't want their bank value to drop - which they might've never even "earned" (do you like how i used that word :P) in the first place. Otherwise i think we can all agree that 6b+ for an item in a game where the max cash value is 2b is a bit overboard.

Anyways, nice attempt at trying to come off as offensive. It's nothing out of the ordinary for partyhat owners to lash out at people such as Jokku or the supporters, but you gotta give them credit they've kept their cool throughout the whole thread.

19-Jun-2017 12:24:44

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yes TacoTaco said:
Draco Burnz said:
Kalea Sprite said:


­facepalm

You are indeed cringe worthy:@


Naaaah it's more like you people ewww, gosh Kalea is enlightening the mood, and poking around on this thread so much. It makes me all giggly reading her posts even given how some them might seem silly but it's so fun to read it ahaha.

Gosh Kalea, I'm starting to like you :o
Agreed.

19-Jun-2017 15:42:23

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Kalea Sprite said:

Various persons are probably manipulating the markets, swapping with alt accounts, etc., simply to ratchet up the prices, there is something dodgy going on there.

Generally speaking, flip/merching-investing in Partyhats is overpowered, tends towards illicit activities, so it must be nerfed.


A great solution to this problem is presented by the OP: Partyhats on Treasure Hunter!!

Partyhats on Treasure Hunter will help nerf the overpowered flip/merching-investing gambit, help curb the associated illicit activities, help Jagex fund the development of awesome new updates and all in all the vast great super majority will reap the benefits of all those awesome new updates and party with the Partyhats a party where everyone is invited!!!! :D

Agreed, this is the best option.

a dog said:
Partyhats are sone of the oldest discontinued items, and it makes sense for them to be expensive. Yes, there may be some problems with price manipulation, but that isn't all partyhat trades.

Also, other discontinued items have gone up even more as a percentage recently than partyhats. The Christmas scythe is a good example. In 6 months it has gone up 58% and in one month it has gone up 30%. This is more than the rise in partyhats.
Wrong. Put aside percentages, the scythe didn't go up 1-3b now has it? Also, your entitled to your own opinion here but imo , it doesn't make sense for them to be over max cash for obvious reasons.

13-Jul-2017 12:42:31

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Jokku23 said:

Draco Burnz said:
So as soon as jagex says its ok for me to get the christmas wand and everything else id like to get, i might think about agreeing.

As an owner of the Christmas wand and everything else you'd like to get, I would support it be given to you!
Christmas wand is a fun holiday item that people can enjoy and have fun with, not a bragging tool!
Exactly how partyhats should be! Cheers!
+1.

13-Jul-2017 12:44:02

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a dog said:
The Christmas scythe really has risen more than partyhats on a relative basis especially in a 6 month time frame. If you had the same amount in scythes you would have made more than holding partyhats.

I see partyhats being over max cash as not too much of an issue due to spirit shards, but perhaps what you are talking about would be more persuasive towards an increase in max cash. There are other items besides partyhats above max cash (ex. 3rd age dye).
I agree with you there however, the prices of christmas scythe aren't a problem whereas the prices of partyhats are tbh. Partyhats were like 1-2b for a long long time b4 they just doubled/tripled in price in the recent few years. Price manipulation wasn't as much of a problem back in the day as it is now as evident in the number of troll posts and wars in the item discussion forums.

14-Jul-2017 04:33:27

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Draco Burnz said:
Turksta said:
Uhmm, we both know that if it were to officially get polled over 50% if not over 80% of the votes will be on rereleasing partyhats.


You do know this isnt 07 right where this did happen?

Also, like how you can make up false numbers when you know it'll fail.

Noice failed scare tactic.
Uhmm yea i'm not actually stating numbers or stats but notice how you aren't either with the "so once it fails the poll" or "when you know it'll fail" nonsense. I actually genuinely believe if partyhats were to be polled then, the far majority of votes would be for them to be rereleased.

17-Jul-2017 16:07:03

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D E L A Y said:

As for your last statement, I think a lot of "older" players are hostile towards this proposed idea simply because it isn't fair to anyone who actually put blood, sweat, and tears in obtaining their rare. Not everyone who owns a party hat is an elitist who manipulates the market and has billions in their bank and can afford to take billions in loss. For example, I own a party hat. Unfortunately, I don't have anymore or even a billion in the bank. It took me years to obtain my party hat. I would be in shock if they were released simply because of the price tag or to allow people to dress up the way they want.

At the end of the day it is just a game but that doesn't take away from the hard work and dedication players put into their account stats and wealth.
Not every partyhat owner is an elitist, correct! I'm one example of that. If you actually obtained your partyhat via 100 or 1000s of hours of pvm then props to you, you're a dedicated scaper indeed. You might be in shock you lost billions of coins but don't worry the time and hours spent on this game surely is more valuable and expensive to you than a partyhat item right? It's alright, people lose their banks all the time by getting lured, scammed, glitches or price drops.
D E L A Y said:

The best analogy I could think of in this situation is what if I told you that Noxious Scythe you just saved up for is only going to cost 5m in the general store because the majority of the player base believes 270m for a weapon is just too much? Or how about that Praesul codex you just received as a drop only costs 15m now instead of 688m because it wasn't fair to the majority of the players? We could also use Blood dye and Third-Age dye as an example...Is dye really worth 2+ billion? It only gives a cosmetic difference.

That's how I feel about the issue.
Although the scenario isn't familiar the price drops are e.g d claws, ags.

18-Jul-2017 17:18:26

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D E L A Y said:
I for one am scared to even sell it because I genuinely believe if I did I would never be able to afford one again. Also, not everyone profits all the time. There are plenty of players that make bad investments or sell at the wrong time and lose out on hundreds of millions of gp.
That is another good reason partyhats should be rereleased. That way nobody will need to be scared of losing millions of gp or obtaining the item. I'm glad that we can at least both agree that the prices of partyhats are overboard, given your fear to sell it.

18-Jul-2017 17:21:47

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D E L A Y said:
@ Turksta

To be completely honest with you, the time and hours I've invested on working towards earning enough money to purchase a party hat would only mean more to me IF it wasn't in vain like how it is now. When I started that journey it was because of the history and prestige it held to finally work up enough being able to own one, it was a sense of hard work and accomplishment (at least from my point of view). If I woke up tomorrow and there was a general store selling them for 50k each or obtainable through Treasure Hunter. All that work would have been for nothing.

I will agree with you though rare prices are extremely absurd, I'm a little upset with myself that I didn't invest in a black santa hat while they were under 500m...Now they're max cash. Oh well haha.
I can see that. I put in hard work too for my yellow and previous red. But the price raise especially the past few months is quite problematic and in my opinion the problems related to the partyhat prices are a greater issue than the issue of rich people losing a couple of bills. Idk how much you purchased your hat for but when i purchased my yellow for 3b i wasn't expecting the prices within a year to be double of what it was when i purchased it given how it took over 10 years to reach max cash. Furthermore the prices now are almost 7b yes? So if they crashed 1-3b it'd still be 4b - which is higher than what i initially bought it for. So being upset for losing billions of profits that i never even earned is just greedy/selfish and a lie.

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Jokku23 said:
blood dyes and 3rd age dyes were supposed to be rare to begin with, while partyhats were supposed to be fun holiday items everyone could enjoy!
Exactly.
People who use the "But i will lose billions of money" are ignoring the problem and using their selfish/greedy personal reasons to "reason" with why they don't want these items returned.

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a dog said:
Turksta said:
Jokku23 said:
blood dyes and 3rd age dyes were supposed to be rare to begin with, while partyhats were supposed to be fun holiday items everyone could enjoy!
Exactly.
People who use the "But i will lose billions of money" are ignoring the problem and using their selfish/greedy personal reasons to "reason" with why they don't want these items returned.


The reason of "I will lose billions" is a much more sound argument in the present day than "partyhats were supposed to be fun holiday items everyone could enjoy". I would say its irrelevant what they were intended to be. Rares are a type of item. Jagex has even created more of them themselves such as the black santa and Christmas scythe.
The "I will lose billions" is not even a valid argument though and completely ignores the problems that have been brought up. Speaking of the black santa and christmas scythe; do you remember when they said they will stop releasing tradeable holiday items - Because players such as partyhat owners can make bank off them. Yeah they went back on their word why exactly? to make a quick buck off releasing black santas and newer "rares". So we know their intentions is not to encourage these types of ingame behaviour, but to make money - something they will get a lot if they were to rerelease partyhats. The "I will lose billions" argument doesn't benefit anyone in anyway. So in my opinion the side that i take is a "much more" beneficial side.

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D E L A Y said:

@ Turksta

You can call it greed but when I spent over a year and countless late nights grinding for what I rightfully worked up to just to see people want them released because they want to play dress up, then yes I have a problem with it. Just because you own a rare and want them released doesn't mean the rare owners who disagree with you are greedy.
That's a problem on your end then, those items weren't created to display hard work and nonstop grinding. They were created just for fun and so should be as such. The same could be said with mimic cape investors.
Also with the shadow series returning and many salty owners, let's just ignore the minor negatives and look at the major positives:
D E L A Y said:
Looks like I'll be purchasing the Shadow Drake I've been wanting. :D

If partyhats were to be rereleased, many partyhat wanters could finally be able to purchase that partyhat they've always wanted - just like the shadow drake you can now purchase :)

20-Jul-2017 04:23:51

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D E L A Y said:
Yes, I've been around since RSC. I have agreed and will agree rares cost a ridiculous amount of money to obtain. BUT, the fact they're simply a "paper hat with no stats" is the reason why I'm against releasing them to the public along with ganking the players who rightfully grinded their way to owning one. They have no real value in the game and doesn't block anyone from progressing or completing the game. (In respect to stats, quests, and tasks.)

It is purely a cosmetic item that has been hyped and has a long history, which makes it a desired item in-game which is why it has the price tag it does.

You can call me a liar but I don't care about the extended wealth of my hat. If I bought my hat for 5b and now its 15b, guess what I don't care about that 10b profit because as I've stated before; I'm never going to sell my hat due to the sentimental value I hold to it.
Cool so we both know the prices of these items are a problem and should be addressed. The fact they're a "paper hat with no stats" is actually another good reason for releasing them to the public as rereleasing them is not game-breaking in anyway in terms of gameplay and does not devalue or ruin any gameplay.
you bought your hat for 5b and wouldn't sell for 10b profit, due to the sentimental value you hold to it - Great! So if those items were to crash to 1 gp you would still hold onto it due to it's sentimental value right?

20-Jul-2017 04:29:22

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Ishtar said:
Rofl, so much hypocrisy. The OP and supporters claim to be for fun yet they obssess over some pixelated hat and criticize and look down condesescending on people who have fun grinding and earning their way to a phat.
We don't obsess over some pixelated hat - it's actually the opposite: hence why we want them to be rereleased and for it's value to drop. The partyhat owners not wanting them to be rereleased are the ones who obsess over those pixelated hats given they've grinded for hours/weeks/years of end to purchase one.

Ishtar said:
Also, they call people who own phats and attack their opposing views as greedy yet it's blatantly obvious that they have petty greed and jealousy to the point where they talk about how phat owners and merchers can supposedly make hundreds of mils when it comes to flipping (which doesn't happen all the time or perfectly).

The empty pot is simply calling the filled kettle black indeed.
The way i see it is Jokkul, kalea and the other supports have kept their cool, providing thoughtful and great responses while the partyhat owners themselves are the ones attacking the supporters due to their greed. It's got nothing to do with greed or jealousy - it's recognising problems and unfair gameplay which should be addressed.

20-Jul-2017 04:36:33

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Ishtar said:
Real? So let's see...some of you guys claim that the current status of phats ruins the economythe gameplay experience for many. But strangely the ge still works with the limitations of not being able to purchase partyhats and I can play the game fine with the current economy.

And if there are people willing to pay and sell at certain prices of phats with obvious discrepancies, then how is it a problem then? I can go on and on.
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I don't care if I get a partyhat or not, fix the problems they have.


TFW "there isnt any problems" except for the made up ones.

Prices of partyhats highly encourages:
1. RWT - either real life profits or to save time in-game.
2. Scamming - higher prices means higher greed in the game community. The item being such a status item makes it easier for scammers to scam the unaware.
3. Gambling - world 54 duel arena, Should i say more?
4. Unfair gameplay - partyhat hoarders flipping the items, making hundreds of millions if not more a day, which they might or might not sell (rwt).
Furthermore, due to the little amount of supply + the inability to trade them via Ge, it's a pain to buy one of these items due to people (see point #5) overcharging you.

From what i've seen, these aren't made up problems.
Peace.

20-Jul-2017 04:42:19

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Ishtar said:
Whatusaytome said:
There's that ignorance I just mentioned. Refusing to accept or acknowledge any legitimate problem partyhats have evolved with.

Take our very insightful friend Turksta for this thread's lead example. He himself owns one, he worked hard for it saying he bought it when it was 3b. he has made the same inflated benefit as every other hard worker who may have earned a hat. It's now 7b. He could say no support and be protective just the same.. But he doesn't.
He himself admits the problems are real, and aides the support of this thread better than me.

Take his word for it, not mine.


And the same can be said for you when it comes to "ignorance." Refusing to accept or acknowledge that your problems are just a matter of imagination when there is that reality in which have near zero impact on your gameplay besides possibly giving some mental issue like irrational greed and jealousy.

And there's always going to be someone like Turksta who would support this thread just as there would be someone who have no phats yet don't support your thread. So appeals to authority or whatever isn't going to work here. And I don't take people's word for whatever. Logical and good ideas don't need people's word to back themselves up after all.

And by the way, I would love to see Turksta's phat. Surely, he can put an image of himself owning one? Or show me the page if he did already.

20-Jul-2017 05:14:11

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Ishtar said:
And I never said you lost your cool or anything. But hey keep making more rope for yourselves-you pretty much just proved a point that I been saying: hypocritical because you call phat owners greedy yet it's clear you have greed yourselves.
I wouldn't classify myself as a greedy person. If you've lurked around in the forums for a year or so you'd have notice i'd support other items such as the solomons shadow discontinued series, discontinued sof/th items, raffle items and holiday items to make a rerelease. But yeah, feel free what you want to think of me: imo i'm still a good and moral human.

20-Jul-2017 05:29:09 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2017 05:38:55 by Turksta

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D E L A Y said:
@ Turksta

Partyhats have been discontinued since 2001. The concept of "only for fun" hasn't been relevant for over 15 years; the same way the old quote by Andrew Gower against real life wealth and micro transactions affecting game play isn't relevant today, even if that were the original intentions. Unfortunately that isn't only my problem. I'm sure if there was a poll for rare owners, they would attest the same.

I don't know why you brought up my post from a different thread but, the Shadow Drake is a "Limited Time" Solomon Store pet. It has absolutely no effect on the economy and it can't be traded. I didn't advocate the re-release of it and if they chose to never release it, I wouldn't complain over it. The same way I won't complain about how this account doesn't have bunny ears and a scythe like my original account does.

The prices on rares is absurd but not a problem for the fact they provide nothing beneficial in game and doesn't affect your regular game play.

If partyhats crashed to 1gp, would they be the only partyhats that are in game today? If so then yes I would still keep my partyhat and buy all the other ones since they're only 1 gp. :)
So then lets use the fact that it's discontinued for 15 years to do nothing about the problems and let it continue? If you were to poll for only rare owners ofc they're going to be more biased and vote no so they can keep their wealth. However if anyone is true and honest; everyone would be able to admit that problems that i mentioned do exist due to partyhat prices and that something should be done to address it.
Again the prices of partyhats are a problem as provided by others and I.
I posted the shadow drake post- it has the same "I don't want this to be rereleased" factor by the owners. As they released it them although there were some angry original owners (Rest b assured they will move on) there are also many positive reactions by people such as yourself.

20-Jul-2017 06:08:14

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Ishtar said:

Cool, so you did some good deeds here and there just like some billionaire philantrophist would do to prove he's not greedy, right? And no, you aren't moral for trying to get Jagex to give you free stuff. A moral person would earn things instead of going by the lazy route of seeking handouts.
Except the part i'm not asking for any handouts?
I'm just trying to resolve a problem that exists in today's game.

20-Jul-2017 09:29:49

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Ishtar said:
Turksta said:



Psh, that's nothing. I can simply go google up images of those rares. Here's how to prove you truly own a phat: show a screenshot of yourself ingame with your inventory of phat and rares and the chatbox with your name on it. So kindly do that, thank you.
Uhmm no you can't, that picture is a cropped out picture of my bank from the rs companion app. Gl finding it on google images. I added a title to my post that can be seen here: http://imgur.com/VAFNsqG
I'm not screenshotting an in-game picture of my name and rares in my inventory - that's too risky and i prefer not to make a target out of myself. Furthermore, i don't keep all my eggs in 1 basket and if even if i did show you in-game you still wouldn't believe it and think "oh your friend gave it".

20-Jul-2017 09:38:21 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2017 09:43:46 by Turksta

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IggyPop said:

well my reason to say no would be i spent 11b on this hat, which i could have spent on spins or skills or promos whatever. partyhats have been viewed for a very very long time as a stable item which isnt as effected by inflation as owning gold or steadily decreasing weapons/armour etc.
youd be erasing thousands of hours of money making, for what exactly?
just wear a different hat. why do people care so much. its not YOUR thousands of hours at stake.
not that i believe they will ever impliment such an update because, its absolutely ludicrous.
You chose to spent 11b on a paper hat, instead of spins or skills or items. So it's no one's fault but yours really if the item were to lose it's value. Partyhats have been viewed as a stable item? What? They're not stable - shards are stable. You just bought a partyhat to get access to the easy riches.
This post pretty much confirms that all the non supporters are just doing so out of personal selfish reasons of not wanting to lose their bank

20-Jul-2017 09:51:57

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Ishtar said:

So you just merely asked a friend or took the picture off someone else's screenshot of rscompanion. Glad you essentially admit it.
Uhmm no I didn't. It's my authenticator and my screenshot. I have provided my proof as asked for and if you don't want to believe that then it's a problem on your side. I don't need anyones validation.
Ishtar said:

And what target rofl? You already said you got rares on your account. Surely if anyone is targetting you, they already are and it's not like showing a screenie of yourself owning a phat is going to suddenly make it easier for them to hack. And ever heard of things like authenticator and so? And speaking of eggs in one basket, you can simply multilog, concentrate your rares in Turksta, screenshot and then trade back to your other alts too by the way.
I'd rather not reveal which usernames i have the rares on.
Ishtar said:

But don't worry, we now know almost for complete certainty that you don't own any rares. My advice to you when you support a thread; be sure to walk the walk next time before making claims that you can't prove or not willing to prove.
We now know for completely certainty? Wut? Sure keep thinking that i don't really care, at the end of the day i still have everything i want regardless of whether partyhats return or not.

20-Jul-2017 09:57:49

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Ishtar said:

Like I said, concentrate your rares on turksta for a moment, do a screenie and then trade back to your alts that you don't want revealed. But it's obvious, you don't have any rares, much less a phat. So yeah, now you must say "I don't care what you think" to save your own butt. Well doesn't matter either. The point already stands: unless you show definite proof of a phat on Turksta account
No thanks i'd rather not cater in to such a disrespectful person.

20-Jul-2017 10:07:57

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Ishtar said:
Turksta said:
Ishtar said:

Like I said, concentrate your rares on turksta for a moment, do a screenie and then trade back to your alts that you don't want revealed. But it's obvious, you don't have any rares, much less a phat. So yeah, now you must say "I don't care what you think" to save your own butt. Well doesn't matter either. The point already stands: unless you show definite proof of a phat on Turksta account
No thanks i'd rather not cater in to such a disrespectful person.


No problem. Liars aren't to be treated with respect after all.
Such an ignorant statement. Except the part you're yet to prove me a liar. Even if i were to screenshot my partyhat and my name and my character you still wouldn't believe it.

20-Jul-2017 10:20:34

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Ishtar said:

I would believe it, believe it or not if I see three simple things that anyone can fufill without compromising the secruity ofyour alts: 1)Your name "turksta" in the chatbox 2) a yellow phat in the inventory traded over by your alt that doesn't have an orange bubble so we know it's not lent, and 3) your character standing on gielinor somewhere. Not very hard to do those three conditions to make it completely believable.

And nah, it's not ignorant to be skeptical of certain claims like someone claiming to own a phat yet support this thread. Especially when people like whatusaytome referred you as that certain person in question in an attempt to prop up his arguments.
But the authenticator proves that its mine as much as an ingame screenshot does? If you didn't believe me then then whats saying you'll believe me then.
You can't have lent items in your bank in the authenticator app nor does it have an orange bubble meaning it is not lent. Instead of trying to find ways to say i'm fake why not provide evidence that my screenshot is "fake"?

20-Jul-2017 10:35:18

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Ishtar said:

The very fact that you refuse to do those simple three things that anyone with a phat can do and your attempt to try to dump the burden of proof on me already indicates that it's all fake when it comes to your own claims of owing a phat. And hey, I wasn't the one who started the claim that "I own a phat yet support this thread". Like I said, walk the walk or simply don't make claims that you can't back up.
I've provided proof of some sort, it's up to you if you want to believe it or not. Again I don't have to let you have your way and i don't have to prove myself to you. Regardless of the wealth i have, it is irrelevant to the points brought up in this thread: me owning a partyhat does not make my points any more right or wrong now does it?

20-Jul-2017 10:48:58

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Ishtar said:

Proof of some sort? Nah just some screenshot that can be taken from anyone else. That's the only shred of proof you shown for certainty-it's just some screenshot that can be from anyone and not you.

And pretty relevant. Especially when people like whatusaytome referred to you and other people kept speaking about a person that owns a phat yet supports this thread from time to time as if that counts for something in their arguments. So yeah, it does matter. Why else did you mention in the past that you owned a partyhat yet support this thread if it didn't matter after all?
That particular screenshot is cropped by me: i have the full screenshot available i just chose to crop it to protect my identity as i have other apps open.
And yea me owning a partyhat does not count towards any argument. Me owning an item does not make my points anymore valid like i said earlier. I mentioned i owned a partyhat only because of the posts of people claiming every supporter is a poor, selfish person which isn't the case at all.

20-Jul-2017 11:19:40

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Ishtar said:
It's pretty much on topic. After all, the claim of a phat owner supporting this thread has been used as a supporting argument many times. I now wish to see it confirmed and if it cannot be confirmed through the simple three steps that I provided with no cost to Turksta's security to his alts, then please rescind that claim or not used as a basis of support for your idea of having phats on treasure hunter.

Many people who oppose this idea owned phats (and rightly so in my opinion) have given that simple proof through their forum picture of an avatar having a partyhat on their head after all.

And like I said before, please just trade over to Turksta ingame, do those three steps and then trade back to whatever alt that can be kept hidden to hold the yellow phat and this argument will end. And when I see that undeniable proof, I will admit that I am wrong in calling you a liar, apologize, etc. I care more about the truth and proof over my pride.
I have confirmed it in a way that imo will not cause harm to me (no usernames shown), and imo it's a valid proof given that there's like 0 pictures of rs authenticator banks on google especially with those items. As mentioned earlier i'm not going to cater to you and put my account at risk.
It's one of those things you'll only understand as a partyhat owner. I don't even wear my partyhat in-game as the simple action of doing so attracts attention of the bad people of runescape trying to scam me.

20-Jul-2017 11:28:44 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2017 11:29:55 by Turksta

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Ishtar said:

And like i said, it could've been a screenshot of someone else that you may have borrowed from.
That can be the case regardless of any evidence i provide. If i upload a profile picture of my head wearing a partyhat you'd be able to argue that i borrowed the partyhat off my friend and then gave it back once i took the profile pic. I fail to see your logic. The proof i provided does not cause anyone to target me nor any account of mine given no username is shown.

20-Jul-2017 12:01:04

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Ishtar said:

I wouldn't personally care if the yellow phat came from your friend. If i see those three conditions met or an avatar pic of you wearing the yellow phat, I'm going to assume it is yours, not your friend. Especially when it is very unlikely to meet such a good "friend" to give a phat over.

And my logic is sound especially when it comes to the bs excuses of you claiming "scammers" out to get you and account security and all. Hell, I even provided ways to avoid those unlikely scenarios that you described such as you don't have to wear it for starters (it just stays in inventory) and can hide in some cave or house in runescape if you're that scared to have anyone see you and your alt doing some trading and so.
No you didn't. You want my name and the paper hat in 1 screenshot. That will cause people to target me so no thanks. I don't want to risk that just to prove my point to you. Until you can prove that my evidence isn't authentic then i've provided my proof and it's valid. And what do u mean u wouldn't care if the partyhat came from your friend? Isn't the whole point of this battle to prove that the partyhat is rightfully mine?

Any evidence of my name and the partyhat in the picture is enough for scammers/lurers etc out there to come and target me. Do you ever use the other subforums on this website? No. People set up their own threads selling/buying these items and more than not, players pm u with the intentions of trying to lure you or steal from you. I've had it happen to friendsand would not like it to happen to me fullstop.

20-Jul-2017 12:17:52 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2017 12:21:17 by Turksta

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And speaking of fail logic, why did you claim to have a phat on Turksta if you're so scared of people coming after you? Surely, you shouldn't stay that before to avoid being targetted? And I already proved that your evidence isn't authentic enough-just read the earlier posts on that matter. So don't bother trying to place any burden of proof on me-you made the claim that you own a phat which other people rallied onto and as anyone makes claims, it's their own burden to prove their claims, namely you. I'm not the one making claims after all about owning a partyhat after all.

But like I said, I pretty much proved my point. You do not have a partyhat to show as you claimed and is only hiding behind the filmsy excuses of scammers and getting possibly "attacked" even though you already told the world that you have a partyhat (not to mention in this day and age we have amazing things like authenticator to protect our accounts) to avoid the responsibility of backing up your claim of having a phat yet supporting this thread.
At the time i didn't think you'd make a big deal out of it and proving it wouldn't be such of a big deal. I'm not scared of anyone, i just don't want anyone knowing what account what item is on. You couldn't even prove my evidence isn't authentic though. You said you could just go on google images and find that. Well go do that please. Better yet find the exact picture from another source and i guarantee you that you won't be able to. Why? cause that picture was uploaded for the first time today by no one other than me. You're not the one making claims about owning a partyhat but you're the one making claims that another user is a liar or a poor selfish greedy person which you again you got no evidence to back up with.

But like my last sentence just said, i pretty much proved my point: you do not have any proof to backup your claim that i don't have a partyhat or that my proof isn't valid.

20-Jul-2017 12:37:13

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Ishtar said:
The way you tried to so hard to avoid showing the yellow phat on Turksta is enough proof to back my claims of a possible lie that was continually used by other supporters of this thread as part of their argument-that you are a phat owner and support this thread. Hence, why it is is a big deal.

And you have the means to end this argument if you truly own a yellow phat without getting any of those risks that you claim to be so afraid about. And I already told you how to avoid the danger or supposed risk of people finding out-your alt that currently holds the yellow phat can stay hiden, just trade it over to "Turksta", do the three simple steps I outlined, and then you can trade the yellow phat back to your alt without anyone knowing the wiser about your secret alt especially if you're in some cave or house in Runescape.

But as usual, you will ignore those steps and still hide behind the claim of avoiding attacks from malcious people.
I've provided my reasons for why i won't provide proof of a character name and the partyhat in the same screenshot. Would you believe me if i were to say provide proof of my purchase back then with the character names censored or better yet the conversation on the authenticator app i had with the dealer? Well even then that's evident proof but you still won't believe is so there's nothing left to do - i'm not risking any accounts of mine (turksta included) to prove it to you that i own a partyhat.
The proof i've provided is more of a proof than your so called "proof" that i don't own the item.

20-Jul-2017 12:52:24

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Ishtar said:
I already provided a way to satisfy your concerns and reasons. And I can get purchases from discontinued item status threads, copy them and claim them as my purchases with names blurred out too. So no, it wouldn't be enough obviously. It has to fufill the three conditions that I placed on "Turksta" which you can easily do
That isn't as strong evidence as the evidence i have of me screenshotting the items in my companion app bank, screenshot of being traded the hat with my 3b in trade and them accepted and the conversation itself. Pictures make better evidence than text.
Ishtar said:

And you already "risked" Turksta by telling that you owned a phat on it. So forgive me, but I really don't see how you would put "Turksta" in any more danger than it already is. Or are you someone who don't use things like authenticator and strong passwords and have a computer ridden with some trojan or virus where someone weirdly is now spying on your computer and waiting for the day you trade the phat over and then ddos you and hack you? Hopefully not.

And anyone can copy someone's bank or whatever and hide the name. So whatever proof you gave back there is just only a picture of someone's rares. And it is most certain that it is not yours especially in light of how much effort you spent today trying to avoid my failsafe steps and giving out your weird reasons that all were addressed (like malcious attacke
[/quote]Not at all i just posted a picture of the items in an account of an unknown character. I'm not putting this account at risk itself as there's little evidence to suggest i have it on this account. Again the authenticator etc is irrelevant. I'm not seeking to protect myself from hackers - well i am but that's not the issue. The issue is randoms targetting me ingame and making my gameplay less pleasant.

20-Jul-2017 13:16:44

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Ishtar said:
And like I said, I only want to see it on "Turksta", not your other account. I don't even know why you keep talking about your other account (I don't even want to see or know that other account). I already provided a way to ensure the privacy of your other account: do it in a cave or house in a place like Burthrope or Falador where nobody goes in this hour and just screenie on "Turksta" after trading over the yellow phat for a moment. Your other account can go hiding down the stairs or go outside the cave or log out for a moment while you screenie Turksta.

And that's why I listed those three conditions too. It would show the strongest proof possible that you have a yellow phat. And all without compromising your other accounts or whoever has the yellow phat.
And i've already brought up how it'd put turksta at risk.

20-Jul-2017 13:27:37

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Ishtar said:
Yes, by somehow doing my steps where nobody is around at Falador or Burthrope to see the whole thing will suddenly place Turksta in great danger. Yeah, right. /sarcasm
The location doesn't matter. It's the simple act of the partyhat being in the possession of this account which brings in Pms and the scammers/lurers out there to come and get me. I don't know how to make this any more clear than it is. The proof i showed doesn't show evidence of the items being attached to any of my accounts, however it does show the items being placed in my bank in an unknown account. So yeah, you can go around calling me fake all you want but i've showed me proof and the picture hasn't been modified in anyway other than cropped to those item slots.

Whatusaytome said:
Honestly don't understand what posting a screenie would even do for him besides proving himself as arrogant for assuming you lie. Can that topic end? He proved it and you don't believe it, so naturally if he proved it in your way, by your standards, you likely still won't believe it.

And 'so many people refer to him'??? Not really, I made one point involving him. You escalated that.
Exactly. I've said it before and i'll say it again, I don't need to prove my worth to him or cater in to his needs, i've posted the evidence that i believe is sufficient and if he wants to not believe it then it's a problem on his end and not mine. At the end of the day I still have all these items and i know I do and i couldn't care less if others don't believe me.

20-Jul-2017 14:58:13

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IggyPop said:

well, as it stands the item wont lose its value. it would be no ones fault but yours if my wealth is wiped to near zero because you want to bitch and moan cause you cant afford a hat like those of us who try hard.
starting to take personal offence at how theres people who want to erase the hard work of people like me.
CHEERS!
Do you even read any of my posts or any of anyones posts? Firstly, It's been stated numerous times by people that along with an item's prices comes a risk of it either losing or gaining value. You're right that partyhats only gain value and this simply is unfair gameplay. When other items such as seismics or mimic capes or godswords or christmas tree hats or fish masks lost their value did, players get compensated? No.
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I don't even know why i'm replying to you honestly, i feel like im repeating myself.
Secondly, I probably have as much if not more wealth than you, however unlike you i am one to put game problems over my ingame wealth. Thirdly, don't go around accusing others of things you cannot be certain of.

20-Jul-2017 15:41:55

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Ishtar said:

I never said you had to prove your worth (I never cared about your worth, more like I care if you really have a phat or not)
Yet that's what you are exactly doing by trying to get me to show a picture of a party hat attached to this account (trying to prove my worth). Sounds contradicting to me.
Ishtar said:

and no, your proof isn't enough due to the obvious fact that it could've been taken from someone else as mentioned before. But until then, don't bother masquerading as if you own a phat and expecting others to believe you. Since it's obvious anyone can say it. I don't take people's words for face value without credible proof just like any rational sane person would do.
It could've been taken from someone else as mentioned above. Yea because someones really bothered to do that. Also using your logic of "it could've been taken from someone else" that also applies to everything and there's no way around it. There's 0 ways of proving that i didn't take it from anyone else. Next, if someone were to post a picture of their bank via the companion pp similar to that of mine, i would believe them because there's little evidence to suggest that it's not theirs other than "it could've been a random image on the internet" or "it's someone elses".

20-Jul-2017 15:48:40 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2017 15:49:20 by Turksta

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Ishtar said:

And again, I already showed you a way to prove it with little pain as possible on your part. It's just funny how you wasted all your time and energy hiding behind your weak excuses of "malicious attackers" and your account would be at "risk" when you can show that yellow phat on Turksta in less than a minute.

But hey, now we all know that you surely don't have a yellow phat as you claimed. Cause if you did, you would've already embarrassed me and exposed me as some "arrogant" person. But then again, I did say I would rather have my pride smashed in light of the truth and proofs, no? But I see that thankfully it won't happen.
Nope. I've said maybe 10 times now that is not happening as it exposes this account more so than it already is. I've offered other methods of providing extra proof but clearly you still won't believe it then. Call it a weak excuse but i call it an extra added security that i don't want to lose by proving a stranger i have an item. Anyways good day/night to you sir, it's past my bedtime.

20-Jul-2017 15:54:05

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Ishtar said:
IggyPop said:
another suggestion - what about different coloured or styled partyhats, or paler/darker "lucky" partyhats or something. or just literally anything that isnt going to wipe my wealth to zero. because doing something like that after people like me have worked so hard, is damn out of order.


And don't bother, they want the original phats no matter what although they stated that they are open to having more phats on treasure hunter.
That's funny. Adding more partyhats will affect prices of existing partyhats and likely cause it to drop. If you're gonna offer some suggestions at least be thoughtful. A better suggestion would be to add them to a store of party pete's at a fixed cost of 20b worth of spirit shards. Maybe then at least we will know they can only be as high as 20b.

20-Jul-2017 15:56:23

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Ishtar said:

Keep repeating like parrot. My answer is the same too. You don't have a yellow partyhat untill you show it clearly in the steps that I defined with possible zero risk to your account. So don't bother masquerading around claiming you own a phat. And no, you're not as rich if not richer than Iggypop. So don't bother claiming that either.
Ok you're entitled to your own beliefs. I care little if you believe me or not. Are you done now?

20-Jul-2017 15:59:16 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2017 16:01:43 by Turksta

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Ishtar said:
Exposed more than it already is? Wow, you just love to give yourself more rope don't you? And your other ways of proof is just simply going to some r quark thread and copying someone's transaction with names blurred which anyone can do....yeaaaaah.
No it's not. If you read any of my posts you would know i offered to provide proof that doesn't link the partyhat to any name - via posting the trade screen of 2b + shards on my offer and the partyhat on the seller's offer.

Ishtar said:
So obvious on how desperate you are to cover up on the fact that you have no phat. Try harder next time.
I'm not the desperate one here, i've provided my proof, you're the desperate one wanting more proof.
Ishtar said:

And okay good night. I'm glad to see you go cause even I'm getting bored with hearing the same excuses. And yes, they are weak especially since my method addressed all your "concerns" perfectly. And you already undermined that security by telling that you own a phat by the way.
No it hasn't.

20-Jul-2017 16:06:33

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Ishtar said:
Turksta said:
]That's funny. Adding more partyhats will affect prices of existing partyhats and likely cause it to drop. If you're gonna offer some suggestions at least be thoughtful. A better suggestion would be to add them to a store of party pete's at a fixed cost of 20b worth of spirit shards. Maybe then at least we will know they can only be as high as 20b.


I didn't offer any suggestions on that matter. Care to improve your ability to read? But I forget, I'm dealing with someone who claimed things that can't be proven by the claimant for some weak reason-namely you.
That post wasn't directed at you, but the above poster suggesting a release of new coloured partyhats which is evident, so maybe you're the one who needs improvement on reading.
If it still isn't clear enough:
Turksta said:
IggyPop said:
another suggestion - what about different coloured or styled partyhats, or paler/darker "lucky" partyhats or something. or just literally anything that isnt going to wipe my wealth to zero. because doing something like that after people like me have worked so hard, is damn out of order.

That's funny. Adding more partyhats will affect prices of existing partyhats and likely cause it to drop. If you're gonna offer some suggestions at least be thoughtful. A better suggestion would be to add them to a store of party pete's at a fixed cost of 20b worth of spirit shards. Maybe then at least we will know they can only be as high as 20b.

20-Jul-2017 16:07:53 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2017 16:11:16 by Turksta

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Ishtar said:
Turksta said:
Ishtar said:

Keep repeating like parrot. My answer is the same too. You don't have a yellow partyhat untill you show it clearly in the steps that I defined with zero risk to your account. So don't bother masquerading around claiming you own a phat. And no, you're not as rich if not richer than Iggypop. So don't bother claiming that either.
Ok you're entitled to your own beliefs. I care little if you believe me or not. Are you done now?


Nah, not done but go to sleep, we can continue this another time I bet.
There's nothing more to be done really.

20-Jul-2017 16:09:05

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Ishtar said:
Turksta said:
Ishtar said:
Turksta said:
Ishtar said:

Keep repeating like parrot. My answer is the same too. You don't have a yellow partyhat untill you show it clearly in the steps that I defined with zero risk to your account. So don't bother masquerading around claiming you own a phat. And no, you're not as rich if not richer than Iggypop. So don't bother claiming that either.
Ok you're entitled to your own beliefs. I care little if you believe me or not. Are you done now?


Nah, not done but go to sleep, we can continue this another time I bet.
There's nothing more to be done really.


Besides sleeping, thought you need to sleep now? Or you want to continue this?
Yeah i'm going to sleep now. Goodnight.

20-Jul-2017 16:11:50

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Whatusaytome said:
Mayahai said:
No support. Party hats play a very important role in the online economy.


Define this very important role without the words "hard work/prestige" because there's a lot of people who work harder than phat owners and make less. And not every hard worker can possibly buy one because there's not enough in the market. What else you got?
Pretty much this. Partyhats are in the outlier range. It barely affects the prices of any other items other than rares maybe.

21-Jul-2017 07:54:41

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Draco Burnz said:
Jokku23 said:
My clan would say different.

Jokku23 said:
*only on some conditions, e.g. new colours only / members only / common only


Yep, spam.
His posts are actually relevant to the topic and/or a reply to someone's post. Yours is a post calling another person out for "spam" which is more of a spam post than his.
Edit: before you call me out how much of a spam this post is just make sure your next post is as much of a spam as this post.

21-Jul-2017 17:16:27 - Last edited on 21-Jul-2017 17:17:09 by Turksta

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Bronn said:
OP this would never happen as the backlash Jagex would get would be the biggest since EOC release & essentially by doing this they destroy something that symbolises the pinnacle of wealth.

Here's my hypothesis for what would happen if partyhats were to be rereleased. First of all the backlash wouldn't be as big as you make it out to be given a tiny amount of players have partyhats. Secondly, there are two types of people that will be unhappy: 1) Partyhat owners and 2) Non partyhat owners that care for whatever reason.

Lets focus on the partyhat owners first. So we all know partyhat owners are either rich irl or dedicated ingame to be able to get their hands on the item. So if they were to be rereleased you'd think they'd get pissed off and quit or both. That is true they definitely would get pissed off, however they would get over it and continue playing, i mean afterall they did spend how many years sitting on the screen playing the game or spending that much money on a virtual item on a game THEY LOVE - so there's more to the game than just an item they own. No item is bigger than the game itself, so they would continue playing. For those that would quit: they never truly loved the game in the first place and the games better off without them.
Now onto the other non partyhat owners who would care for whatever reason: They would be angry for a few days or weeks and then move on as it doesn't affect them.
We have already seen an indication of the possible backlashes the game would receive with rare items such as the solomons shadow series and old treasure hunter rares returning.

22-Jul-2017 09:56:18

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Bronn said:
When you think of RuneScape, one of the things any player from any era would remember are party hats, their rarity and prestige.
I find this quite subjective, however personally when i think of runescape one of the things i (and im sure many others players) think of are: quests such as dragon slayer and monkey madness, items such as rune and dragon armour, fun minigames such as clan wars, glitches, scamming, and ofc the legacy combat style that made runescape, well Runescape!
It's funny how you bring up when one "thinks" of runescape, as the games a lot more different now and a lot has changed such as the combat system.
Bronn said:

They take an unfathomable (thank you for demonstrating this via this post) amount of time for the avg player to get the gp for. Unless you stake, but even then you'd need an initial few bill for this to be a viable method. Jagex know this, and aren't about to blueball people who have spent thousands of hours on their game just for the sole purpose of getting a phat.

But congrats on keeping this thread alive for a year and with 100 pages of tears, you are a beautiful human being despite the fact that your trolling antics could be a little more subtle.
They are unobtainable for the avg player, no avg player has 17b for a blue partyhat. Even if you stake, in the end gamblers always lose and Jagex are known to have screwed people over in the past with their deceiving tactics, and recent times has shown they would do even that (lying to their customers) to get a quick buck.
This thread is alive yes but many people such as yourself see this idea as nothing more than a troll, however it's been confirmed many times that it's a legitimate post :)

22-Jul-2017 10:06:43

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Bronn said:
No I can tell you from just general knowledge of the RuneScape community that if they were to make Party Hats acquirable, especially via MICROTRANSACTIONS that are already resented by a good portion of the community, the community would be in the biggest uproar since eoc. Few people spin their way to 120s and so on, but there are so many other people who complain about it. You obviously underestimate how big of an impact party hats being released again would be on the economy.
It seems to me you are just assuming so many players would kill themselves or something. The majority of players don't even have partyhats so it doesn't affect them in anyway. People complain about the constant amount of microtransactions but jagex seems to care little, so can you blame them when they're making lots of profits?Let's not forget eoc was a big change to how players played the game, partyhats on the other hand is a useless item.
Bronn said:

Also, it's not as simple as just putting it on TH and making the few people who have party hats accept it. It's about the integrity of Jagex as a company that the people who don't have phats will be looking out for. You want an example; a very recent one? Look at the vitals threshold in regards to IFB. I don't think a lot of people when talking about the average player would be going for insane final boss, but because of Jagex's approach and response to criticism regarding a threshold, the community was in uproar and it was a main talking point on /r/runescape for a month before they actually made the poll.. with hundreds of upvotes and publicity per day.
Jagex shows 1 thing they care about but also another 50 they don't care about. They've went against their own words many times and despite the uproar on many other things they didn't act to respond. But yea as i said this won't affect most of players only a few.

22-Jul-2017 10:19:10 - Last edited on 22-Jul-2017 10:21:35 by Turksta

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Bronn said:

I don't really understand you. You go on to bash Jagex about being "deceiving" and money grabbing, but are fully behind this idea which the most blatant money-grab Jagex have ever carried out, destroying a marketplace & having a devastating affect on not only the people who spent hundreds of hours to get one, but also the economy for the average player.
Perhaps you'd understand me if you were to i don't know know the reasons why i support this idea: which has been mentioned numerous times by both me and others. Yeah this being a money-grab for Jagex is a good thing - means they can make more profits and grow. The economy for the average player isn't affected at all. The items they own will still be same priced.

22-Jul-2017 10:25:31

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a dog said:
Also, I keep seeing this "it would make Jagex a lot of money" idea. However, this isn't necessarily true, and it wouldn't necessarily make them any more money than say releasing a 3b black santa hat, or an even rarer new item.

a dog said:
All speculation, and not even that compelling of an argument whatsoever. At some level, if partyhats were to be hypothetically rereleased, and they were common, nobody would buy keys.
Yet your claim above itself is a speculation. Personally i disagree. Partyhats are much more sought after than black santa hats due to the massive price difference. If nobody would buy into the promo then partyhats would still remain expensive, so if they're expensive asf then it'd be dumb not to spend money in hopes of winning the prize.

26-Jul-2017 05:27:23

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Whatusaytome said:
Wow, a whole 20 pages. much informed you are.

Of course Jagex would make a lot more if there was a phat promo. They'd be making phat cash stacks on it.

If you were informed in the slightest you would see this is not simply "because they are over some arbitrary number". But instead because they are extremely overpowered in their profit on top of everything else. And quite honestly, the merchant aspect is your only defense and your only concern, so I have yet to see your comments provide support to the nonsupport side.
This. Along with problems of manipulation/rwt/ and bad in-game habits e.g gambling.

26-Jul-2017 13:50:19

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Kalea Sprite said:
a dog said:
...The merchant aspect had been debunked by myself many times over that partyhats are not as OP as you think they are...

If the merchant aspect isn't overpowered then nerfing it, by releasing the Partyhats again, wouldn't cause any concerns.

Thus, putting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is an excellent triple win idea! :D

Kalea Sprite said:
Zyphix said:
I don't care how, just get more back into the game.

Yes please! :D


Pretty much this.

27-Jul-2017 10:59:58

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Akiraa said:
This will NEVER happen. Just won't.

But I support because it would be an interesting outcome. ;)
Never say never. Free trade and wilderness was also "never" to return. History shows that nothing is final or given to be 100% certain in terms of statements and context.

09-Aug-2017 11:01:47

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Draco Burnz said:
0ld Nite said:
Look people, nobody cares about your phats. Most of us are adults and only play this game for recreation. They already re released the phat on osrs so it already doesnt matter if you have one. Grow up


The exact reason they shouldnt be rereleased.
Not so much when phat prices are causing a disturbance to the morality of the game.

11-Aug-2017 15:53:24

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Draco Burnz said:

Yet they arent.

You ppl just want to make a big deal over nothing just so you can hopefully, but wont in the end, get something for phr33.
Please take a look at the definition of "manipulation". Then please.. look at the recent graphs of the santa hat prices on Ge. Then please, have a visit to world 2 and try to purchase a partyhat and please notice that the same sellers/buyers are the same people making hundreds off mills off others.

"but won't in the end, get something for phr33"
facepalm.

12-Aug-2017 08:27:37 - Last edited on 12-Aug-2017 09:14:34 by Turksta

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Draco Burnz said:
Whatusaytome said:
yeah, because this is a valid opinion that will change the hearts of supporters.... lol....


Well its better than any suggestion made thus far.
That reply pretty much confirms that you're unwilling to accept anyone else's opinion that is different to that of yours.

14-Aug-2017 03:52:35

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msconfig said:
I strongly agree it’s price tag should be dealt with be it treasure hunter or whatever else. I doubt legit grinders would go for a partyhat anymore simply because it’s beyond achievable by traditional means such as pvming/skilling. Skilling is in fact out of the question at all. If anything It’s a tool to facilitate black marketeers, bot farmers, price manipulators and market abusers who have been an inherent part of this game too but to each their own
Exactly!

18-Aug-2017 14:46:19

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z e z i m a said:
they can better release new colour partyhats. only new colours bcuz partyhats worth over 6b+
That's not a smart suggestion. Adding any new coloured partyhats increases the variety of colours to choose from and hence again making the prices of current rares drop in value.

20-Aug-2017 04:55:20

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IggyPop said:
i have saved up for and bought my partyhat with hard earned gp and lots of grinding and struggle and moments of feeling it was pointless, but i managed.
all of you are capable, just set your minds to it, it will make it all the more worthwhile once you manage. if there was nothing worth 15b for me to save up for, i wouldnt be worth 15b+

if the most expensive item was 2b, id be worth little over 2b. its nice having a high end goal to aim for.


while youre at it with giving away high end goals, why not just give away 200m skills and bunny ears, scythe, quest cape, rare titles etc.

(bunny ears being unobtainable but i dont see a moaning noob thread about those for some reason)
Been there done that, just trying to prevent others from experiencing hell that is.
If you have a suggestion of giving away 200m xp etc then feel free to create a new thread :)

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21-Aug-2017 04:37:06

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Whatusaytome said:
and for the sake of all partyhat threads, stop assuming we supporters want the worst.

Do you think we made over 1300 posts in this thread and similarly in the other from having one simple idea? No. We supporters have updated many different ideas to make this not punish anybody, suggesting things to cater to the owners while stopping manipulation and illicit trades. They are overpowered. They need to stop being the easiest/highest income source in the game, limiting that highest profit to billionaires only.

In just a few years since hitting max cash partyhats have multiplied 5-9x in price. Taking 12 years to hit max cash and now being 19b a few years later is outrageous. With how fast that rate increased, by 2020 they will be over 100b. Is that fair for anybody?

If you cannot keep up with the idea's within the hundreds of pages, throw your idea into the mix and let's talk. We are not here to shut you down for not supporting, we want non supporters to at least give us reasons not to support without assuming the worst.

Personally I don't want the treasure hunter idea, but at least it solves a bunch of the problems mentioned about partyhats. If it's the idea that gets accepted so be it, anything is better than keeping them unattainable and abused by billionaire manipulators.
Pretty much this.

29-Aug-2017 08:22:49

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Draco Burnz said:
Whatusaytome said:
If manipulation didn't make the prices rise so high, they wouldn't be viewed as anything special.


Going by this logic, if it wasnt for them you ppl wouldnt be asking for this.

So maybe that does prove that they should be left as is.
If it wasn't for manipulators, yes we wouldn't be asking for partyhats to be returned. You are correct there.
However, that doesn't prove that they should be left as is - given that manipulation is the case.

29-Aug-2017 08:24:35

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Draco Burnz said:
Turksta said:
However, that doesn't prove that they should be left as is - given that manipulation is the case.


Well considering nothing going to happen to said ppl, dont see how bring them back will solve the issue?

In any case, it would just make things worse:@
More partyhats = more supply = more accurate prices since it won't be as rare and won't be manipulated as much. It's not rocket science really.

29-Aug-2017 15:45:30

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Exit Wound said:
Turksta said:
Draco Burnz said:
Whatusaytome said:
If manipulation didn't make the prices rise so high, they wouldn't be viewed as anything special.


Going by this logic, if it wasnt for them you ppl wouldnt be asking for this.

So maybe that does prove that they should be left as is.
If it wasn't for manipulators, yes we wouldn't be asking for partyhats to be returned. You are correct there.
However, that doesn't prove that they should be left as is - given that manipulation is the case.


i hate to break it to you but partyhats arent the only item in game being manipulated with the price, that doesnt justify releasing them on treasure hunter lol
The price tag of partyhats do though.

31-Aug-2017 05:28:53

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"how does that even make sense?? if manipulators started hoarding fish masks do you seriously think they'd be worth billions lol"
Actually YES. It only takes a couple of overboard billionaires to hoard these items to make these items more or less double their price.


"since we established partyhats arent anything special, why are you complaining so much about them?"
Again, read the thread and maybe it will be hinted somewhere that the prices of partyhats are the cause of us "complaining".


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"Exactly.

Im pretty sure all of the 3a items as well as rsh and most of the other discontinued rares are also being maniped.

Yet you ppl say absolutely nothing about those... "
Yet they haven't went up billions in the past few months or so, have they? Nope. So until they go up by billions within a few weeks there won't be anyone complaining. 3a items are available by ingame means however rares are available however no more are entering the game.

31-Aug-2017 05:34:57

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Soulsreaper said:
lol that's the funniest thing ever, I'm not for this idea one single bit, because the chance of getting it would probably be the same if not even more rare then getting the 200m, I would rather have bank bidders then this because I don't like the idea of a unknown number entering the game at least with bank bidders jagex woud know the amount entering.
So Ur against the idea due to selfish reasons of not being able to get one?

31-Aug-2017 14:43:38

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Exit Wound said:
turksta you must be delusional then. if billionaires had the power to manipulate everything they desired then they'd be flipping more then just phats at 10b+

maybe you should learn to deal with the price and understand you're not going to have instant access to buy anything you want ingame for whatever price you feel is right or fair...


He is not delusional for thinking anything, in fact I'm almost 100% certain he is just as aware of these billionaires manipulating more than just partyhats. Our point being is Partyhats and discontinued items are their Primary profit source. Being able to be flipped for hundreds of mils at a time and all they need to do is wait for a pm and bump a thread while they make more money with the methods You mentioned.

The manipulation that happens with them is on an entirely different level than the manipulation that has taken place with items like Fish Masks. But yes, Fish masks could easily be manipulated to be worth more if they needed something else to manipulate. If you want another recent example of New items being manipulated to this extent, look at the BSH.

"learn to deal with the price" ??? no thanks, ignorance wont solve anything buddy. also, read the suggestions, me and Turk are fine with keeping their prices where they are. so long as they cannot continue to raise like they do. this year alone Blue has raised roughly 8b. is that fairly earned?
+1.

01-Sep-2017 06:50:09

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Impy said:
What are your thoughts around all the players who have phats currently?

What about those who invested 3-10B recently? The price plummets? Could be years of hard work for players lost.

I can't tell if this is a genuine suggestion or not.
Yea so what?

20-Dec-2017 05:35:28

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Krillin said:
Umm, yeah nah mate don't reckon.

Partyhats are worthless, but its all about supply and demand.
There is not a whole lot you can do with gold except make things look fancy and sht, like wtf why is it so expensive oh wait mate its supply and demand ahh i getcha mate 2 ez stress less.

But then your all like fam bam why not just give everyone gold ya yeet wooo, aint like the people that invest in a rock would mind aha dumb dog dont invest in rock u stupid invest in bitcoin.

You see, wealth is something that can be described as objectionable. A poor dude will see a middle class dude and saw 'Fwaaaa hees rich'. But the middle class person is just looking at everyone above him and being like 'Fwwwaaaa he rich boi'.
So the fact that 'Wealth' can be displayed as an item in this game is cool man let them have it they obviously worked hard for it.
Just work hard.

You lazy boi.
you couch potataoe

"partyhats are worthless"
> Most expensive item in the game

"gotcha mate" "dumb dog" "invest in bitcoin" "lazy boi/couch potato"
*

Stay on topic and please refrain from using irrelevant slang words or insults. It just makes you look stupid honestly.

"they obviously worked hard for it."
Not every partyhat owner has worked hard for it. Quit jumping to conclusions.

23-Dec-2017 22:36:20

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Lava Whip said:
I will give it a vouch IF
They are classified and very obviously different from the classic ones, so this way we have cool new partyhats for people to enjoy the aesthetic of while not discouraging older/wealthier players
OP wants originals to return to not satisfy but to eliminate all those things you described as partyhat owners.

06-Jan-2018 16:40:51

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boidaez said:
this is the ultimate troll thread, i wonder what jagex are pondering by allowing it to continue

i guess the outcomes a newb with 50k ttl exp can be richer than someone with a 5+ year account game play time due to a luck scheme (rng as its called), made to mess with players of long term devotion for a income

we as players have endgame of max runescore, jagex endgame is when the games dead from being milked

i hate the gowers for selling the game
I think it's been confirmed by op a million times that it isn't a troll thread. Props to him for standing up against all the negative backlash and keeping the thread alive.

"i guess the outcomes a newb with 50k ttl exp can be richer than someone with a 5+ year account game play time due to a luck scheme (rng as its called), made to mess with players of long term devotion for a income"

Oh the irony though. A level 3 with no experience being richer than someone with 1B xp is nothing new or out of the ordinary, so i'm failing to see the point you're trying to make here. Also, the game revolves around luck and rng.

19-Jun-2018 12:04:40

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Draco Burnz said:
Turksta said:
I think it's been confirmed by op a million times that it isn't a troll thread. Props to him for standing up against all the negative backlash and keeping the thread alive.


Yet just because someone says it isnt, doesnt automatically make it true, just saying.
Yet just because someone suggests an idea that might be controversial to you, doesn't automatically make it a troll thread, just saying.

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